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Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/21/2010 10:15:08 AM   
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Ireland's biggest banks are facing collapse this week unless an immediate international bail-out package can be agreed, senior insiders have revealed.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1331690/Ireland-bailout-Banks-brink-collapse.html#ixzz15wTFibk9
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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 4:13:04 AM   
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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 4:38:16 AM   
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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 6:56:37 AM   
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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 6:58:22 AM   
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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 7:01:22 AM   
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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 7:04:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, we have some nearly 8 years of off book war to pay for.  How you gonna solve that?

And Ireland and in fact the EUs troubles are not due to printing money.  They are not having inflation issues there, so I am kinda wondering what your off topic and off your rocker comments have to do with Banks in Ireland.

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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 11:39:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's a great shame that it has come to this in Ireland. The funny thing is that the country is still genuinely wealthy and has a growing exports sector but its outgoings on an daily basis are immense. Combine that with terrible regulation of the banks, the collapse of an absurdly over-inflated property market, and it was a recipe for disaster. It is the fault of the ruling F. Faul party – years of economic mismanagement. It isn't quite a bail out like Greece because the money is mainly to draw on to secure the banks if it is required. Essentially the situation is that Ireland responded quickly to the crisis when it became clear one bank would fall which could have had a knock on effect elsewhere. The same bank is more or less the causal for bringing down the economy as the continual speculation about its true losses led to market uncertainly. Of course the insufferably smug British media wasted no time in attacking Ireland (e.g. the Financial Times) which genuinely harmed the country’s reputation. Ireland was in a bad state but was going in the right direction by restructuring and making real efforts to cut dept but this stuff unduly undermined confidence in the markets which helped lead to a downgraded rating and huge rises in interest rates. All I hope at this stage is that Ireland does not take a bi-lateral loan off the UK as quite frankly we will never hear the end of it. I think the moral of the story is that perception is key with regard to the markets. If it/they really think they see a country going down, little can be done to change that belief, and anything such as Angela Merkle’s comments about bond holders which in no way related to the present circumstances was used as a justification to bolster further doubts leading to a runaway situation which could affect other countries in the EU. It is an example of a very unfortunate human tendency to see any tittle tattle as justifying your belief and reject or nullify anything that does not suit/fit. I have come to the belief that the power of the markets needs to be lessened internationally.

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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 11:49:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		What ! get a loan of the UK, can't do that for we have no money, at least that is what we are told and there the reason why we are loosing our public services. Well, at Least the new measures have brought about the employment of a personal hair stylist for the pm on an award of 50 k per year, but he has sadly had to let his public purse paid for personal photographer go after the masses got to hear about that little luxury.

Could the reality be we are all being fobbed and robbed by the powerful elite.

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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 11:55:17 AM   
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2.  Goldman Sachs.

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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 11:55:59 AM   
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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 11:58:24 AM   
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Rothschilds AND Goldman Sachs Are Both On The LIST Of Billionaire Bondholders Gettting Bailed Out In Ireland By: Pitchfork
Tags: YES, THE FAMOUS ROTHSCHILD BANKING GROUP CHECK OUT THE OTHER NAMES ON THE LIST

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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 12:00:35 PM   
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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 12:07:26 PM   
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Do tell.

I want to know.

Careful,  I know Alex.

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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 12:43:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

I wondered how long it would take for this seemingly innocent thread to descend into anti-Semitism once there was a mention of "powerful elites" - it was sooner than I thought.


Only because you are looking for the offence ?

Whatever tenuous link you can find so you can open your flap and start berating others for things they are not.

I daresay others like myself did not connect powerful elite and anti semitism, so why you ?

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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 12:52:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

I wondered how long it would take for this seemingly innocent thread to descend into anti-Semitism once there was a mention of "powerful elites" - it was sooner than I thought.


Only because you are looking for the offence ?

Whatever tenuous link you can find so you can open your flap and start berating others for things they are not.

I daresay others like myself did not connect powerful elite and anti semitism, so why you ?


Anerin,

The poster is new-- so... here we are.  

It was a baffling post...   (tho)

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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 1:19:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

I wondered how long it would take for this seemingly innocent thread to descend into anti-Semitism once there was a mention of "powerful elites" - it was sooner than I thought.


Only because you are looking for the offence ?

Whatever tenuous link you can find so you can open your flap and start berating others for things they are not.

I daresay others like myself did not connect powerful elite and anti semitism, so why you ?


Anerin, I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt in the past but have come to the conclusion that you really are too dim to know when you are beaten. Why? I have answered your stupid criticisms re. anti-Semitism again again and again but as the "Israel" thread shows the same criticisms are made by pro-Palestinians like yourself again again and again regardless of how well they are responded to on other threads. Firstly, you criticised me for saying way back that the ideas of someone else were anti-Semitic when there was an attempt to misrepresent the character of the Holocaust. You said it shuts down debate but oddly did not object that he called me a racist for far less justifiable reasons. The truth is that you agree with posters who use similar terms and only object when it comes from an opponent because it hurts your arguments. That is dishonesty. You have repeated that argument again and again on other threads and each time I shut you up with my answer. BTW I did not say you personally were anti-Semitic but the continual citing of "elite" organisations with Jewish names to the exclusion of all else certainly was as Punkboy listed Rothschilds and Goldman Sachs above which prompted the criticism.

No Anerin you clearly couldn't ever be anti-Semitic but it is peculiar how you went along with an obvious misrepresentation of the character of the Holocaust, continue to spread daft misrepresentations of the Israeli conflict despite being corrected with factual assertions that are not a matter of interpretation, and then on the “Israel” thread saying the Jews more or less deserved what they got with crap like “Why have so many other cultures chosen to persecute the Jews and I am talking pre history here, what is it that other people did not like ?” That sounds like a replica of Irving’s own arguments. How dare they ever thing they are the chosen people when virtually all other peoples think the same?

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Anerin,

The poster is new-- so... here we are.

It was a baffling post... (tho)



Hardly a baffling post for the reasons above. It is the old conspiracy theory that Jews control the world. Punkboy keeps posting up links to far right conspiracy sites, advocating conspiracy theories in a subtle fashion and rambles on about the high price of silver - maybe its got something to do with the band the Silver Jews. lol I realised my mistake after I posted on this thread that there was an association between his twisted conspiracy theories and the Irish economy being in trouble. Nothing could be further from the truth. It was greed pure and simple that caused the fall of the Irish economy.

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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 1:24:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tomato,  tomaYto.   here we are.

Here we are.   Follow the money...    aint too hard.  pretty basic.

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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 1:46:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anaxagoras, you really are full of shit.

But to answer your criticism as why I did not attack another poster because they called you whatever, if that poster chose to insult you, that is between you and them, not me. I am not here for your defence or to draw sides, I respond based upon my interpretaion on/of events, as I see it, not an others party line. That is what independant debate is all about, independant people contributing what they feel is correct, so perhaps new understanding might come from a conversation where independant thought is permitted.


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RE: Banks in Ireland 'on brink of collapse' - 11/22/2010 1:51:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok-  so what we have is thread drift.

As to bashing people-  ie people who need to be reprimanded- that is why CM has moderators.

If you have an issue- email a mod.    

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