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Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 12:41:11 PM   
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I have just heard the "Spanish National Anthem." It is a Spanish version of the National Anthem of the United States of America. I am not quite sure how to feel about this. On the one hand, remaking a song is not uncommon so, in a musical sense I do agree with the concept. On the other hand, I find it to almost be a slap in the face to America. There will be a remix of the anthem containing protests of the US immigration laws. Again, I am not sure how to feel about this, but I am leaning toward finding it on the offensive side.  If someone wants to put forth their political rhetoric about the country they live in, placing it an a rendition of that countries national anthem is disrespectful of the heritage of that country. To me, this is not an issue of prejudice or bigotry on my part... it is a reaction to yet another action by immigrants to this country thumbing their noses at The United States. If I would take up residence in another country, I would respect their history and customs. I would not expect them to learn English on my behalf, I would learn the language. This just isn't sitting well with me and I am interested to hear what others think.

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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 12:49:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		If their intent and agenda behind doing so is sincere then whatever. Its not like anyone can stop them from doing it anyway. However, I do highly suspect this is a propaganda tool being utilized for their May 1st planned walkout which is a whole other issue. If the contention is to be good employees and thats one reason for coming here, then don't shaft your employer, walk out, protest while carrying Mexican flags and playing the National Anthem in Spanish. Besides, I still don't quite get how its their "right" to protest when they are technically criminals and not citizens.

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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 12:52:52 PM   
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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 2:36:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know, I realize as I'm sure many others do that our country is a melting pot of many different nationalities, built on the hopes, dreams, and hard work of immigrants from around the world. I have no problem with legal immigration. I say we welcome them with open arms as we've been doing for quite some time now.

What I do have a problem with is when we have people who come to this country with no intention of becoming part of that melting pot, who instead want to segregate part of the U.S. into a mini-version of their own country and use the resources and funding of legal U.S. citizens to do so.

Our language is English, that is what I learned and that is what countless of our foreign born ancestors had to learn in order to become a part of this nation. I do not feel obligated to learn Spanish, or to provide extra resources that could be going back to the people who paid taxes for them in the first place. If people want to come to America great! If people want to simply take advantage of us and throw it back in our faces and demand we conform to the policies and customs of a foreign country then I'm not on that bandwagon.

I'm from Texas which is approximately 1/3 Hispanic, I see the strain it puts on the resources first hand. For instance, the healthcare system which spends Billions each year providing care for illegal immigrants. Being in healthcare myself you see the effect this has in part, short staffing, lack of funds to provide adequate care. Our resources for healthcare are thin as it is.

Do I blame people who desperately want a better life and better care for themselves and their families? Not at all, I can't say I wouldn't do the same in their position. I'm simply saying if you want to come to America realize that that's where you are, America. Learn English, pay taxes, work to become a citizen and embrace your new culture as well as your heritage.

I guess I'll climb off my soapbox now...

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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 2:56:21 PM   
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What I do have a problem with is when we have people who come to this country with no intention of becoming part of that melting pot, who instead want to segregate part of the U.S. into a mini-version of their own country and use the resources and funding of legal U.S. citizens to do so.


Six or seven years ago for a job I had, I went out on the street during a Puerto Rican Day parade and asked Hispanics from various countries and non-Hispanics whether they thought Hispanics should and needed to learn English. (I think that was the way I put it). To a man, woman and child, the Hispanics said they of course needed to learn English to become full members of American society, and that's what they wanted. Come to think of it, there may have been one guy who wanted to go back to Ecuador.

If there's a community of Hispanics/Latinos that wants to form a Spanish-only, inward looking community of their own within these borders, I say kick 'em out. But I suspect that wherever that happens, it's just people who haven't learned English yet or are slow to learn it. Every Hispanic immigrant I've ever talked to (not a large number) has been not only extremely polite, and I've never seen any signs of disrespect to America. 

Immigrant communities, by their nature, keep many of their traditions for a long time as they assimilate. That will happen for a while, maybe a while longer when Latin America is so close to us, especially with Mexico just over the border and other countries a plane ride away. But it will happen. I'm pretty sure it's what they want. I have heard of some Hispanic groups that are a bit radical, but I'm pretty sure they're a small minority.




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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 3:05:29 PM   
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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 3:09:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jimi Hendrix did the National Anthem (ever seen the movie "Woodstock"?) and I've even heard a jazz version by Doc Severinson, the band leader from the old Johnny Carson show. I don't know about Hendrix, but Severinson certainly meant no disrespect, and I don't think these Hispanic singers mean disrespect either. Therefore I don't have a big problem with it.

Interestingly, some people, even many Hispanic people, are outraged. The Hispanic disc jockey in Los Angeles (I can't remember his name) who has the "Morning Invasion" show, said on NPR this afternoon that he guesses 60 percent of his listeners don't like it and 40 percent range from loving it to simply thinking there's nothing wrong with it.

I think maybe it treats the National Anthem a little lightly, and it's probably better to keep it in its original language, unchanged. If it offends a lot of people, then it was probably a bad idea to do it, but it's not as if they're burning the flag. It actually seems a little bumptuous to me.

I was mildly offended when the marchs featured non-U.S. flags instead of giving Old Glory pride of place in their marchs, but again, I don't think it was meant as disrespect. They learned to use the U.S. flag in later marchs, and yo might say, well, they simply became savvier -- but if they seriously had problems with this country, they wouldn't have switched to red white and blue.

It may come as a shock to some, but I don't much like my country being insulted. I don't think they were trying to do that, though, and if they did, it was unintentional and minor. I'd rather give people the benefit of the doubt if they don't seem hostile.  

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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 3:15:03 PM   
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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 3:30:03 PM   
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Jimi Hendrix did the National Anthem (ever seen the movie "Woodstock"?) and I've even heard a jazz version by Doc Severinson, the band leader from the old Johnny Carson show. I don't know about Hendrix, but Severinson certainly meant no disrespect, and I don't think these Hispanic singers mean disrespect either. Therefore I don't have a big problem with it.


I stated above that musically I find no problem with it. You do not find it disrespectful that this will be used for US immigration law protesting?

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 I think maybe it treats the National Anthem a little lightly, and it's probably better to keep it in its original language, unchanged. If it offends a lot of people, then it was probably a bad idea to do it, but it's not as if they're burning the flag. It actually seems a little bumptuous to me. 


No, it is not like they are burning the flag, I agree. However the sentiment behind it is similar... not identical, similar. People in this country illegally are criminals, there is no gray area as I see it. America has laws, not all of them are good laws, but they are laws nevertheless. Use of our very own National Anthem to give voice to those here illegally is taking it a bit too far. I guess what I am trying to say is that the total lack of respect for this country from illegals is appalling. If you don't want to respect the country you live in and you are an immigrant then, quite frankly, get the hell out. That sounds like I am a flag waver but you all should know by now that isn't the case.

I am not voicing things very well right now... I am still torn as to how I feel about this issue. I still think that it is in poor taste to do what they are doing.

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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 3:57:59 PM   
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I stated above that musically I find no problem with it. You do not find it disrespectful that this will be used for US immigration law protesting?

Well, that's why I called it bumptuous -- people that don't really mean to be nearly as offensive as they actually are. In those situations, I want to be quick to forgive. Disrespectful? Yes, but not very much at all. You want disrespectful, it's at a certain other location I could name. 

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No, it is not like they are burning the flag, I agree. However the sentiment behind it is similar... not identical, similar.

Well if rude, disrespectful sentiments are voiced, I'll be the first to condemn them, and if those sentiments appear to be characteristic of the movement, I'll condemn it. I haven't seen it, but I haven't been looking too closely.

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People in this country illegally are criminals, there is no gray area as I see it. America has laws, not all of them are good laws, but they are laws nevertheless.
I'm usually very offended by people violating the law, but when they're poor and trying to better themselves in life and have no better alternatives, I have to have sympathy for them. It's not as if we worked hard enough at stopping them at the border or enforcing our own laws, and it's not as if they meant anyone harm, so this violation of the law doesn't weigh too heavily on my attitude toward them.

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I guess what I am trying to say is that the total lack of respect for this country from illegals is appalling. If you don't want to respect the country you live in and you are an immigrant then, quite frankly, get the hell out. That sounds like I am a flag waver but you all should know by now that isn't the case.

Hey, nothing wrong with waving the flag. Interesting that it's being waved most right now by people in those protest marches.

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I am not voicing things very well right now... I am still torn as to how I feel about this issue. I still think that it is in poor taste to do what they are doing.

Sometimes debate is refreshing, sometimes dialogue. . 
EDITED TO ADD: That's what I like about this thread so far. I'm trying to figure out what I think about it too.

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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 4:11:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK I have no axe to grind here personally, but if some one took (for example) "God save The Queen" (our original anthem), and just used the music but used words applicable for their own country, I'd find it flattering. If however they used wiortds which were critisising my Country (or the UK for that mater) I'd be bloody offended and fightin furious... How do I regard this happening to the US national Anthem? bloody offended and fightin furious..... Not just because of my History or the many friends I have in the US but also because of a few other reasons and the odd document I have.... But then the Celts are kow for being a passionate people....

On another aspect of other replies.. The Government has just announced that in future all immigrents wanting Australian Citizenship must pass an English language test and a test of basic Australian History (Something which the large majority of Aussies couldn't pass)


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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 5:35:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		The problem the USA has is that the national symbols are the only thing that tie disperate people together. What has an Irish American New Yorker got in common with a Californian Hispanic? Nothing!

America decided to be an English speaking country by 1 vote so the idea that there is something unfying about the country is false. There is an ideaology that immigrants might assume but people from the Americas are of that continent and are never going to see the US ideology in the same light as someone from another continent.

What is the solution? Who knows but one can't fight the numbers, the USA and its culture is going to change over the coming decades.

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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 5:48:39 PM   
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"How do I regard this happening to the US national Anthem? bloody offended and fightin furious..... Not just because of my History or the many friends I have in the US but also because of a few other reasons and the odd document I have....
 

I dont think their intent is to do anything demeaning or unpatriotic (as they see it). but rather a simple translation. At least thats how its being presented.

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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 6:13:58 PM   
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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 7:18:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am absolutely offended & outraged about it. I would like to see every illegal immigrant in this country thrown out on their asses. And I would like to see the companies who hired them heavily fined.  We need to get serious about border security in this country.

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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 7:19:37 PM   
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This is exactly why multiculturalism with never be successful in any county. Whenever you have ''many'' different types of people, speaking ''many'' different languages, all merging together as one, they can't communicate. And we know what happens when we can't communicate. One country one language - nuff said!


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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 7:50:36 PM   
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To me, this is not an issue of prejudice or bigotry on my part... it is a reaction to yet another action by immigrants to this country thumbing their noses at The United States. If I would take up residence in another country, I would respect their history and customs. I would not expect them to learn English on my behalf, I would learn the language. This just isn't sitting well with me and I am interested to hear what others think.
Why you sounding defensive Gauge, lol?
I hate the idea for whatever reason it is being done.   It's interesting that the nation is becoming increasingly divided internally and internationally, and at the same time we seem to be bending over backwards to appease one particular group, especially in regards to ILLEGAL immigration.   I think that the reason a lot of folks won't speak up against illegal immigration is because generally the most vociferous are people who hate everyone with whom they don't identify, and who among us wants to stand by ignorant rednecks (whether in NY, LA, or AL) anyway?.

I agree that everyone in the US should be taught and expeted to learn English, and the National Anthem is in English for a reason, this is the F***ing US.   Learn as many languages as you want to, and by all means be as diverse as you want to be since that makes us a better nation, but the appeasement of illegal immigration, especially from this one specific group is a little annoying.  I wonder if Jeb's wife is his Domina.   M

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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 9:51:40 PM   
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Why you sounding defensive Gauge, lol?


Was I? I guess, to a degree, I was being defensive because I don't want this to turn into a racial issue. I hate everyone equally, I hold no prejudice.

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 It's interesting that the nation is becoming increasingly divided internally and internationally, and at the same time we seem to be bending over backwards to appease one particular group, especially in regards to ILLEGAL immigration. 


That is just it, at least with this issue. The National Anthem is as American as it gets. You want to sing it in Spanish, I have no problem with that... I really don't. But in public, where you are among other Americans, it is in English and I would like it to stay that way.

If America takes a hardline stance we will be looked upon as bullies. Sure these people are poor... and for God's sake people, I understand poverty all too well... but there are rules in America and they must be followed. I completely understand them wanting to come here for a better way of life... then do it legally and I have zero trouble with that. When is a crime not a crime? How do people have the audacity to suggest that hey... they are already here... let them stay. What part of the word NO don't you understand? Go through the process like thousands of others do, enter legally. It is sort of like calling 911 because someone is in your house and having the operator say, "Well, they are there now... let them stay." That doesn't pass the sniff test with me.

I really am trying to sift through all of this to make sense of it.

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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 9:58:57 PM   
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If America takes a hardline stance we will be looked upon as bullies
Hahaha, oh that ship has sailed Gauge.
I think it's okay to take a legal/strong stance with the illegals taxing the US and the system.   I have an agenda where this is concerned:  America already has too many poor disenfranchised people; take care of those first with laws that pay people a living wage, and provides for them to work and have health care as opposted to the stupid useless systems currently in place.

The other side of the coin is the fact that current immigration laws are probably not that just/fair to all people equally, so those could use a revision.  Otherwise, I'm with you on illegal immigration.    M

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RE: Spanish Version of US National Anthem - 4/28/2006 10:00:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Excuse me? Aren't we supposed to be the opened minded ones? I for one am not at all "threatned" by this new verson of the national anthem. It's no skin off my nose. Who gives a rip anyway? All i can say is that we are reacting just like those muslims that threw a hissy fit over that Danish cartoon. If we're threatened by this, well we're a pretty weak nation after all.

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