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Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/24/2010 6:59:42 AM

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Homosexuality As Population Control?

A priest I know to be a self-affirmed heterosexual recently engaged me in a debate on the merits of heterosexuality vs. homosexuality. The conversation went something like this: "Procreation, Mr. Denson, is a creative force. Those who bring life into the world are vital." "And those who secure life's essential balance, Father ... they are crucial." "How do homosexuals secure the species, Mr. Denson. I mean as sexual beings?" "We preserve the species. We are conservation realized. We provide nature's ... restraint ... on your procreative extravagance. We keep your production from becoming ... overproduction ... pollution ... destruction unbridled. We keep you from becoming ... an obscene cosmic joke." There was a silence lasting several seconds. I couldn't myself believe that I'd spewed it all out. But I was annoyed. "Is it sinking in, Father? No. It's too practical ... too sensible ... too organic." /snip

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/24/2010 7:09:51 AM

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If that was the case, wouldn't the percentage of homosexuals expand with the population instead of staying pretty stable between 9 and 12 percent however overpopulated a cesspool somewhere becomes?

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/24/2010 7:20:52 AM

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Well, what if you are a Shaker and a homosexual?

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/24/2010 7:41:35 AM

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It is an interesting article. But no, homosexuality is not primarily useful in controlling overpopulation, as is easily demonstrated by the existing overpopulation; though it is one of the secondary side benefits of homosexuality.

I have given long thought to the mystery of homosexuality, due to my interest in biology and evolution theory - and I believe to have solved it. Some of my conclusions: Our species produces homosexual individuals because they are extremely useful and because it can afford to (as demonstrated by the overpopulation).

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/24/2010 10:57:31 AM

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FR, sans full article

If as a whole the rate of homosexuality has stayed the same, the same critique should be applied as to all statistics. The foremost question is whether it is more prevalent in more densely populated areas. While I have no diety, I do not dismiss the possibility of forces in the universe which we do not yet understand. It could be that in certain rudimentarly ways that the human species acts as a unit, or possibly all life on this planet or even the universe.

If that is so, homosexuality is a natural response. Taking these statistics in hand, how were they derived ? A mountain Man does not participate in many polls or studies. I believe that all statistical results are weighted in favor of city dwellers, or at least those in more denseley populated areas. If my supposition is true, it throws all the numbers off quite a bit.

Decades ago I read a book in which the author divided the "elements" of human psychology into three parts, but unlike Frued, they were the concious, the subconcious and the superconcious. The concept of the superconcious brought many things to light, and out of the realm of the supernatural. In this sense, even those unprovable things that go around, like telekinesis or telepathy are simply parts of nature which we do not yet understand.

While I refuse to be captured by religion, the old ones who wrote the "books" were not stupid, in fact I believe many of them to be intellectually superior to the Man of today. However that does not mean they were always right. They wrote Man shall not lay with Man. In the sense that this behavior was not procreational in nature, why then did they not assert that Woman shall not lay with Woman ? I have nulled the whole idea as a tenet or anything of the sort, but explore the reason behind it.

When there were few people, of course it was time to be fruitful and multiply. Things have changed a bit. Hunky, if your real email is still good I can send you this one article written decades ago about deer on a desert island. An actual experiment about overpopulation. They induced the overpopulation and went back from time to time to study the animals. They found actual changes in physiology. This was my focus, rather than the commentary which was dismissed on another forum for being - something. But the physiological changes remain. What caused them ?

I think this is something more than the tingle in the gonads induced by lust. It may be related actually, but is quite different than most thoughts expressed on the matter.

More later.

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/24/2010 12:01:51 PM

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I have given long thought to the mystery of homosexuality, due to my interest in biology and evolution theory - and I believe to have solved it. Some of my conclusions: Our species produces homosexual individuals because they are extremely useful and because it can afford to (as demonstrated by the overpopulation).

Are you sure it's nothing to do with circumcision?

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/24/2010 4:36:47 PM

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Yea, lol, I actually went back and reread it twice. I was just sure it had to be there someplace.

I think hot chocolate is in order now. Have a great night.

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/24/2010 5:43:25 PM

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I'm kinda confused. I think of overpopulation as a condition that could use some control, and homosexuality as a static fact of life.

Unless homosexuality could be controlled and increased (which would lead to SERIOUS political ramifications even if it was feasible), then it is useless as a means of population control, even might dampen overpopulation somewhat.

I'm looking at this as a case of a dependent variable (overpopulation) being related to a constant, which makes no sense. Relate it to an independent variable, one which can be controlled.

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/24/2010 5:50:26 PM

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If that was the case, wouldn't the percentage of homosexuals expand with the population instead of staying pretty stable between 9 and 12 percent however overpopulated a cesspool somewhere becomes?

As far as anyone knows, we could comprise 20% of the population. Funny thing is no one really knows what percentage of the total population is gay

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/24/2010 6:33:51 PM

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Men cannot limit fertilization of fertile females. If all men except for one were homosexual, that single non-homosexual male could still fertilize all fertile females.

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/24/2010 6:53:34 PM

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Men cannot limit fertilization of fertile females. If all men except for one were homosexual, that single non-homosexual male could still fertilize all fertile females.

/Applies for position/

Seriously, the word "homosexuality" is not limited to men. And if your single straight man could fertilize more than a dozen or so women per day, I'd be impressed.

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/24/2010 7:02:07 PM

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You solved it? The reason there are homosexuals is: 1) there is no God that created anything and 2) evolution isn't perfect. There are also biological reasons for homosexuality. Some things going on in the womb with respect to the chemistry/vitamins/minerals/fluids that I can't remember right now and am too lazy to research it.

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ORIGINAL: Rule

It is an interesting article. But no, homosexuality is not primarily useful in controlling overpopulation, as is easily demonstrated by the existing overpopulation; though it is one of the secondary side benefits of homosexuality.

I have given long thought to the mystery of homosexuality, due to my interest in biology and evolution theory - and I believe to have solved it. Some of my conclusions: Our species produces homosexual individuals because they are extremely useful and because it can afford to (as demonstrated by the overpopulation).

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/24/2010 7:03:31 PM

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Where did I limit homosexuality to men only?

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/24/2010 7:10:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brain
The reason there are homosexuals is: 1) there is no God that created anything and 2) evolution isn't perfect. There are also biological reasons for homosexuality. Some things going on in the womb with respect to the chemistry/vitamins/minerals/fluids that I can't remember right now and am too lazy to research it.

Umm, your wisdom is astunning.

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/24/2010 11:15:13 PM

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/25/2010 4:48:31 AM

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Seriously, the word "homosexuality" is not limited to men. And if your single straight man could fertilize more than a dozen or so women per day, I'd be impressed.

Dang DS. I suddenly got an image of a milking farm!

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/25/2010 4:58:11 AM

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Seriously, the word "homosexuality" is not limited to men. And if your single straight man could fertilize more than a dozen or so women per day, I'd be impressed.

Dang DS. I suddenly got an image of a milking farm!

Just the one guy, a jazz magazine, a bucket and a turkey baster...

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/25/2010 5:53:39 AM

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You solved it? The reason there are homosexuals is: 1) there is no God that created anything and 2) evolution isn't perfect. There are also biological reasons for homosexuality. Some things going on in the womb with respect to the chemistry/vitamins/minerals/fluids that I can't remember right now and am too lazy to research it.

The reason there are homosexuals is because evolution isn't perfect? Are you suggesting that gays are less than perfect? Maybe there is something wrong that could be fixed?

Interesting theory....have you been studying under Fred by any chance?

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/25/2010 6:49:01 AM

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I do not know Fred.

I feel that it would be fruitless to correct Brain, so I am satisfied to be both astounded and stunned.

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RE: Homosexuality As Population Control? - 11/25/2010 3:15:12 PM

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You solved it? The reason there are homosexuals is: 1) there is no God that created anything and 2) evolution isn't perfect. There are also biological reasons for homosexuality. Some things going on in the womb with respect to the chemistry/vitamins/minerals/fluids that I can't remember right now and am too lazy to research it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

It is an interesting article. But no, homosexuality is not primarily useful in controlling overpopulation, as is easily demonstrated by the existing overpopulation; though it is one of the secondary side benefits of homosexuality.

I have given long thought to the mystery of homosexuality, due to my interest in biology and evolution theory - and I believe to have solved it. Some of my conclusions: Our species produces homosexual individuals because they are extremely useful and because it can afford to (as demonstrated by the overpopulation).

The funny thing is many in the medical community speculate that homosexuality has a biological basis and many in the psychiatric community speculate it has a basis in the human brain , yet neither have yet to positively agree what the exact cause for homosexuality in humans arise from. So until that happens and it is accepted by the general population as a whole - there still is no definitive answer to what determines why a small percenbtage of the human population is homosexual.

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