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RE: Wikileaks - 12/15/2010 6:25:54 AM   
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Moral of the story: Be an ass, get treated like one. Female or not.

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/15/2010 7:18:54 AM   
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The first woman doesn't deserve the notoriety. She would never have instigated such a hoax on her own and indeed would have had no cause for remorse whatsoever were it not for the intrigues of woman #2. The second woman, Anna Ardin, is the one who purposely seduced Assange knowing of the relationship with the first woman, then calls up this woman and tells her about it and suggests they seek revenge. ANNA ARDIN, in case anybody missed the name, has worked for CIA sponsored web sites and has associated with a CIA terrorist operative.

http://acfs-perth.blogspot.com/2010/12/assanges-accuser-anna-ardin-cuban-cia.html

http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy/2010/12/04/assanges-chief-accuser-has-her-own-history-with-us-funded-anti-castro-groups-one-of-which-has-cia-ties/


ANNA ARDIN is now in a small town in the West Bank, and prosecutors and her lawyer get no response from her.

ANNA ARDIN should have her address published everywhere she goes from now on.




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RE: Wikileaks - 12/15/2010 7:35:12 AM   
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She would never have instigated such a hoax on her own and indeed would have had no cause for remorse whatsoever were it not for the intrigues of woman #2.


That to me Edwynn says she isn't responsible for her own actions. Is she not part of this?


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RE: Wikileaks - 12/15/2010 7:47:34 AM   
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She is not responsible for the actions of Anna Ardin, who contrived, instigated, and propelled the whole affair.


If your take on it is that the first woman is just as guilty for being drawn into the scheme of another, that's your privilege.








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RE: Wikileaks - 12/15/2010 7:51:37 AM   
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RE: Wikileaks - 12/15/2010 12:54:29 PM   
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If your take on it is that the first woman is just as guilty for being drawn into the scheme of another, that's your privilege.

What do you mean by "drawn into"?


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RE: Wikileaks - 12/16/2010 3:45:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		  No.  You are both wrong.

Throwing someone's address into the ether provides a mechanism for justice by the mob.  Torches and pitchforks.  Our societies would crumble if mob justice were to trump the rule of law.  In fact, the rule of law provides many of the freedoms and protections that you take for granted.

I don't buy their story, but there's a broader issue here.  An important one.

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/16/2010 5:01:21 AM   
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Your laziness in investigating fully what actually transpired and especially just who Anna Ardin is and whom she was acting at behest of does not equate to my being wrong.

There are at least three links posted in this thread so far explaining all that, and plenty more for those who prefer pursuit of facts to pompous blathering of clichés.

There most certainly is a broader issue, and those with sufficient perception know that there are in fact several broad issues at play here, not the least of which is the rule of law you point to regarding these last few posts but are simultaneously blind to, apparently, regarding the Swedish prosecutor's office blatant disregard for same in this matter.

Assange remained in Sweden for 40 days after the initial questions arose as the Swedish authorities went through three prosecutors before they found one with enough lack of integrity or conscience to restart a twice dropped case. They still never would tell him anything so he notified them he was going to the UK and they neither said nor did anything to prevent his leaving.

Only after he was safely gone did they issue some order or another that he was to come back to Sweden and report to the police to answer questions. He said he would be happy to answer questions by phone or go to the consulate  to meet with someone there. He has still yet to be charged with an actual crime, just wanted for questioning which the police had 6weeks to do but didn't.

There, that's all I'm providing for you, the rest you'll have to do on your own.

When you have troubled yourself to investigate Anna Ardin and know her history and who she is, and just how she started this whole thing, then you may comment. Until then you have no business telling someone who's actually done the research how "wrong" he is.

The US back channel agencies, the Swedish prosecutor's office, and Anna Ardin are the ones trumping the rule of law here, not a few forum posters on the internet. Get a clue.


PS


Assange was in fact questioned for an hour by police in August, charges dropped the next day.





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RE: Wikileaks - 12/16/2010 1:23:11 PM   
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Your laziness in investigating fully what actually transpired and especially just who Anna Ardin is and whom she was acting at behest of does not equate to my being wrong.

If you're talking to me here..Everything I have investigated so far and it has been a great deal..Although we can't know everything every single second of the day about every thing on the planet..Yada Yada..It all says to me that she may have ties to the CIA..I get that..

I'm still unsure of what YOU mean as to drawn into? That doesn't necessarily require a link. You seem to be assuming that just because we've read the same things..We should then come out on YOUR side of the discussion. That's why I'm asking..If you don't want to discuss it then why bother posting in the first place?

Nowhere have I read to date that she was made to do anything..As a matter of fact the things I've read say she and Ardin worked out how they were going to get him together. Ardin may have been a master manipulator but it doesn't negate the other females part in this.


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RE: Wikileaks - 12/16/2010 3:21:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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Your laziness in investigating fully what actually transpired and especially just who Anna Ardin is and whom she was acting at behest of does not equate to my being wrong.


If you're talking to me here..




In my previous post, look at the bottom right corner, just below the body of the message. Look at the information enclosed in parentheses, the part where it says (in reply to ...    ).

Whose nick listed there?


If overlooking that, there are a few clues for the perceptive reader that might give indication as to what was in response to what, such as a few key words or phrases common to the posts in question, for example "wrong" matching "wrong," "rule of law" matching "rule of law," "broader issue" matching "broader issue," etc., none of which were contained in any in any of your posts.


Back to the issue then ...

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Ardin may have been a master manipulator but it doesn't negate the other females part in this.


I in fact have no problem whatsoever with the actions/response of the first woman in this affair, considering the scenario.

Let's practice some "put yourself in the other person's place" for a moment. Let's change genders of all the players, and now imagine yourself in the spot of woman #1, except you're a man, of course. You meet a nice woman and after a few days of getting to know, you invite her to move in, you both knowing it's temporary, a few weeks or maybe a couple of months. After another couple of days you start sleeping together. About a week beyond this you get a phone call from a man you've also met recently at a conference held by your new girlfriend, him being aware of your relationship from the outset, and he says that he has a problem just come up that he seeks your advice on. "Sure," you say, "what's the matter? "Well, I've been having sex with this wonderful woman, and it's been great fun, we only met two days ago and already we seem to be so close, but last night she came onto me kind of quickly and we never got around to getting my condom on, and so now I'm kind of worried, what if she has AIDS or something, you know?" "By the way, this is your girlfriend I've been talking about the whole time, sorry I forgot to mention that earlier, but anyway, I'm not sure what I should do here. What do you think?"


Let that sink in.  Now tell me again how woman #1 is in any way to be badgered for "her part in this."

She acted out of revenge, no question, and I don't think anyone here but you would have the slightest difficulty in understanding why.

But she acted from a standpoint of personal injury and motivation to strike back for that insult. Yes, she was aware that the person involved made the situation bigger than her own personal issues, but in the absence of such circumstance I think it's safe to say she would have done the same thing following this same sequence of events. Quite a lot of women could have done likewise, especially when being constantly egged on by another "aggrieved" compatriot to go partners with her on 'operation payback'.

Anna Ardin, it is quite clear now, intentionally and purposely created this whole entrapment that put woman #1 in a situation that she never otherwise would have been in, not to mention Assange, and skillfully pursued matters toward the international drama we now have before us.

The first woman might have acted out of desire for personal revenge, even if we now find that it was artifice and chicanery at the bottom of it.

Anna Ardin acted as agent for another party, a very large interest, whose motivation was revenge that is quite militant and wholly impersonal.

Anna Ardin had no motivation whatsoever concerning any personal insult from a boyfriend, but beyond that I could never venture to say what is in the mind of a sick person like that. 


But based on your responses and questions thus far, I feel fairly certain that all the explanation above will be every bit as meaningless to you as all the previous summations.


I have accused Anna Ardin of willfully and intentionally provoking an international incident, and I have provided the information that led to my conclusions prompting such accusation.  (And so have thousands of others, while we're at it).

If you are accusing the first woman in this occasion of anything beyond personal motives then it is incumbent upon you to present us with the information that brings you to that conclusion.

Something more substantial than "well, she was involved too."











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RE: Wikileaks - 12/16/2010 9:15:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		  You are still wrong.

The facts of the case notwithstanding, you do NOT throw out someone's address to allow harassment by the mob as a form of justice.  Your proposal to do so shows an immature mind,  unfamiliar with the philosophical precepts of justice.

Our societies are founded and function largely because of the very laws which you are happy to so casually dismiss.  As it should be obvious that this is clearly morally reprehensible and legally inadvisable, this casts you as either a troll or an idiot.  Neither are worth my time and energy.

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/16/2010 11:31:18 PM   
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You are still wrong.

The facts of the case notwithstanding, ... 





Thanks for that introduction to your complete and unabashed hostility towards facts in any matter of importance. Not that there was much mystery about it to begin with.

But nevertheless, we are expected to take you seriously in any regard further here?

Oh, let us allow ourselves enhanced enlightenment as benefit of your personal imbecility proceeding therefrom, ... 


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you do NOT throw out someone's address to allow harassment by the mob as a form of justice.


Couldn't agree more, but it is unfortunate that the Swedish prosecutors' office let loose the names of all parties concerned, quite against their own law, which proves in every way the arm-twisting at play here.

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Your proposal to do so shows an immature mind,  unfamiliar with the philosophical precepts of justice.


Wrong on both counts, as you have already displayed incapacity to comprehend much of anything beyond dirt, much less anything resembling classical philosophy.

I cannot avoid nor escape the comedy in your reference to an "immature mind," being as it is from the drooling mouth of an intellectual retard.

Just curious though, ...  which weekly reader or comic book do you get all this from?






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RE: Wikileaks - 12/17/2010 3:42:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		  No.  Once again you are wrong. Clearly something that is extremely common for you.

I tire of trying to debate with an idiot who has pretensions of intellect.  Basically, your posturing does not justify the violation of privacy which results in mob justice.

It is patently obvious to me that you are ill-equipped to consider the implications of what you propose.  Basically, you're an immature idiot who thinks the grievous nature of the case justifies the extremity of action that you propose.

Christ.  The one problem with the internet is that it allows 14 year olds to attempt debate with those who can think.  Kid, I'll put it simply.  Fuck off.   You have an axe to grind - I get that.  You don't like women - I get that too.  You're also spectacularly unsuccessful with them.  I totally get that.

Your inability to get pussy doesn't justify the violation of basic, essential rights which are a critical component of a functioning society.  I'll make this simple for you.  Go the FUCK out and get laid.  Because your anger at women's lack of interest in you in no way justifies the violation of their basic rights.

Yes.  You're a fucking virgin.  Now shut the fuck up and let those without manifest issues discuss the topic in all seriousness.

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/17/2010 5:51:12 AM   
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Well congratulations and thanks for informing everybody here that clulessness is the marque of "maturity" in your world!

Your junior school language and now well demonstrated bottom-of-class level reading comprehension would certainly convince anyone of your elevated and superior standing in this matter. Not to mention your junior school boy level fascination and mental lock on who is getting laid or not.

Your own hand is the best woman you've ever had, we get that. Your just prior post leaves us with that unavoidable conclusion, and all the world sees that now.


My long drawn out and well explained defense of the victimized woman in this affair is taken by yourself, and by yourself only,  as some form of "woman hating" on my part. Your lack of comprehension skills is further noted.


Once you've come out of the loo (no hurry there, take your time), the rest of us that have taken this matter seriously and have invested efforts towards understanding the mechanisms unto themselves and then how they convey what is behind the larger scheme here would love to hear your input.

OK, well nobody of thinking mind would actually be interested at all in your input, I was just getting you all excited by fooling you that anybody could actually hear anything you say without falling down laughing.

Just please wash your hands thoroughly after you are done there, and use the anti-bacterial spray provided.









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RE: Wikileaks - 12/17/2010 9:03:13 AM   
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Let that sink in. Now tell me again how woman #1 is in any way to be badgered for "her part in this."

She acted out of revenge, no question, and I don't think anyone here but you would have the slightest difficulty in understanding why.

You've answered your own question. The ability of one to understand why doesn't mean she should get a free pass..as a matter of fact it's proven in the courts that they didn't..The case was dropped originally. So one could say..They WERE wrong for doing that.

Assange was a dick but it wasn't cop worthy..She could have EASILY went to a doctor and got tested..She DIDN'T need to involve cops...She did out of anger and tried to ruin someone's life..but correct me if I'm wrong..Only after she found out he had slept with someone else. There was no fucking rape. They both used something that they otherwise didn't have a problem with until jilted.

Personally I don't believe the He fucked her while she was sleeping BS as a charge..

People love to throw out responsibility when it suits them. You seem to be no different.

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/17/2010 9:06:54 AM   
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If you are accusing the first woman in this occasion of anything beyond personal motives then it is incumbent upon you to present us with the information that brings you to that conclusion.

As if personal motives gives a pass on involvement.

You articulate your points very well but you miss the base importance's of what it is you say.


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RE: Wikileaks - 12/17/2010 9:21:56 AM   
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RE: Wikileaks - 12/17/2010 9:28:16 AM   
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RE: Wikileaks - 12/23/2010 8:54:10 AM   
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I would class that as an occupational safety hazzard. If you don't want a target on your back then don't take the job.


Some of the firms mentioned were aviation companies, these guys have every right to go to work and feel safe. It is hardly as if they signed up to be infantrymen or something is it.



"Bomber harris" seemed to have no problem bombing aviation companies and their employees durring wwII

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/24/2010 5:24:42 AM   
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  You are still wrong.

The facts of the case notwithstanding, you do NOT throw out someone's address to allow harassment by the mob as a form of justice.  Your proposal to do so shows an immature mind,  unfamiliar with the philosophical precepts of justice.


From this may we conclude that you would prefer that bush & co. had not pardoned scooter libby for giving up an active cia field agent?





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