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Pentagon DADT survey results released - 11/30/2010 11:36:14 AM   
DomKen


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The money quote:
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the risk of repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell to overall military effectiveness is low.


I'm sure the haters will make up all sorts of lies but here are the facts.
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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 11/30/2010 7:56:53 PM   
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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 11/30/2010 7:58:41 PM   
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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 11/30/2010 8:09:35 PM   
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nuff said

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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 11/30/2010 8:15:43 PM   
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At least they'll never leave their buddies' behind.

Wait for it.

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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 11/30/2010 9:57:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

When it happens, the Marines will be the gay branch. It will certainly require a difficult transition period, but oh my gawd, the uniform is FABULOUS, and they're all so macho!



Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt!!! Wrong answer Hans, care to try for double jeopardy where the scores can really change?


The Navy, and the US Air Force will be the military of choice for most gays.  Most gays I have met are highly intelligent, and the Navy and Air Force advertise themselves in that fashion.  Now I grant you you can not be truly stupid and be in any branch of the military, but there is the perception that the "ground-pounders" are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 12/1/2010 7:27:42 AM   
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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 12/1/2010 7:39:28 AM   
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quote:

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When it happens, the Marines will be the gay branch. It will certainly require a difficult transition period, but oh my gawd, the uniform is FABULOUS, and they're all so macho!



"In the NA-VY....."

I served with a few dykes in the C.G. and they were pretty cool! One of them had auburn hair and legs and an ass to die for!
If they want to serve our country in uniform then why not?

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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 12/2/2010 7:21:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pogo4pres

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

When it happens, the Marines will be the gay branch. It will certainly require a difficult transition period, but oh my gawd, the uniform is FABULOUS, and they're all so macho!



Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt!!! Wrong answer Hans, care to try for double jeopardy where the scores can really change?


The Navy, and the US Air Force will be the military of choice for most gays.  Most gays I have met are highly intelligent, and the Navy and Air Force advertise themselves in that fashion.  Now I grant you you can not be truly stupid and be in any branch of the military, but there is the perception that the "ground-pounders" are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Militarily,
Some Knucklehead in NJ




Maybe accurate at the moment, Knucklehead, but, your broad brush assertions about gays aside (I've known some total dumbass homosexuals), I'm standing by my opinion about the Corps becoming the most gay branch if/when DADT goes away.

People enter the military for all sorts of reasons, but it will always be a route for young adults who just want to get far away from where they are, and for those who feel they have something to prove. The squids and air scouts are going to get hot meals and a bed, under a roof, far more often than the dogfaces and jarheads. The motivation of the enlistee will determine what choices they make.

Under DADT, and the earlier ban, the only gays joining the military were those willing to live closeted, and those who were still in some form of denial, or thought the military would "fix" them. There are plenty of potential recruits who are out and proud, but still seek to prove themselves, and will see military service as a way to do that. "The few, the proud, semper fi," is going to appeal strongly to those young men. They want to be the best. And let's just be honest about that uniform, ok?



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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 12/2/2010 9:20:00 PM   
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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 12/2/2010 9:43:00 PM   
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Proved to be so much bullshit than.....as it will now.

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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 12/2/2010 9:45:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

When it happens, the Marines will be the gay branch. It will certainly require a difficult transition period, but oh my gawd, the uniform is FABULOUS, and they're all so macho!

Ahem!  The Marines are already the "gay branch."


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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 12/2/2010 9:48:59 PM   
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What has always confused me about this whole issue is the apparent short sighted memory of all concerned.Flash back to President Truman...who with a stroke of a Presiedential pen ended unit segregation in the armed forces....despite the quite expected and oft used objections about a so called threat to "unit cohesion" and " military readiness".

Proved to be so much bullshit than.....as it will now.

Right there with you, Mike.  Always wondered the same.



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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 12/2/2010 10:06:26 PM   
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Ahem!  The Marines are already the "gay branch."




Shhh. You aren't supposed to tell.

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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 12/2/2010 10:21:27 PM   
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quote:

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Maybe accurate at the moment, Knucklehead, but, your broad brush assertions about gays aside (I've known some total dumbass homosexuals), I'm standing by my opinion about the Corps becoming the most gay branch if/when DADT goes away.

People enter the military for all sorts of reasons, but it will always be a route for young adults who just want to get far away from where they are, and for those who feel they have something to prove. The squids and air scouts are going to get hot meals and a bed, under a roof, far more often than the dogfaces and jarheads. The motivation of the enlistee will determine what choices they make.

Under DADT, and the earlier ban, the only gays joining the military were those willing to live closeted, and those who were still in some form of denial, or thought the military would "fix" them. There are plenty of potential recruits who are out and proud, but still seek to prove themselves, and will see military service as a way to do that. "The few, the proud, semper fi," is going to appeal strongly to those young men. They want to be the best. And let's just be honest about that uniform, ok?




Well I base my guess on my time in the USAF (4 May 1977 to 11 Apr 1983).  I served beside a lot of gays even then.  The Navy of the day was leading the military in "homosexual behavior discharges"  in that era.  

I will admit the "tough guy" gays will be attracted to the rigor of the Marine Corps, hell that rigor is what convinced me to join the Air Force.  I figured 13 weeks of hell & sand fleas on Paris Island, or 6 weeks in San Antonio. 

Looking back though I now realize I was more than tough enough to have hacked it, but with my smart assed attitude I'd have been a 20 year E-5 at best.  I knew when  it was time to get out, when I was in the Air Force.


Militarily,
Some Knucklehead in NJ

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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 12/2/2010 11:11:51 PM   
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Personally i would like to see all uniforms of all branches of all armed forces in the world a fetching shade of hot pink.

Very quickly we wouldn't have any armed forces left anywhere and hey presto - no more wars!


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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 12/2/2010 11:18:31 PM   
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I can see it now "Victoria's Secrets new fall military catalogue.

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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 12/2/2010 11:25:46 PM   
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When they write all day to make a point, false or not, nobody is going to read the whole thing. So give them a picture. Usually it's a pie chart but they have nowhere near the data for that. So now it is a spectral gradient. Now who decided how many angstroms per head lost, or whatever criteria would "represent" the figures ? Those with vested interest. Crank the diffractor a bit to the right Clem......

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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 12/2/2010 11:33:26 PM   
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My God tweak,you just might have stumbled onto a radical new plan to stop war.....on the other hand it could just turn out to be a hell of a boon for the fashion industry.
I can see it now "Victoria's Secrets new fall military catalogue.


I'd love to claim credit for it but, AFAIK, the idea comes from Boy George originally.

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RE: Pentagon DADT survey results released - 12/2/2010 11:41:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Personally i would like to see all uniforms of all branches of all armed forces in the world a fetching shade of hot pink."

I heard that giving prison inmates pink underwear causes a reduction in the crime rate.

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