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Moonhead -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/2/2010 1:17:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

From what I've seen the Republican ideal is to be able to be fat and unhealthy with no health insurance and let the rich get richer while the poor get poorer. Just because it is their GOD GIVEN right by golly!!!!!!!!



Yup and the Democrat ideal is to sit back, collect government checks and whine because the rich mother fuckers get all the breaks. Then they get big brother to make laws that let others raise their kids because little johnny wants a happy meal, but he won't like me if I tell him no.

Ain't America great[8|]




Actually, in this part of the country, a majority of the SSI, EBT and other welfare recipients are HARDCORE Republicans

Apart from those who are teabaggers, of course.
;)




Louve00 -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/2/2010 1:27:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Tazzy, that is one of the biggest reasons I do not understand how anyone middle class or, of lesser income can, with informed intelligent intent, support the Republican party. It just baffles me.


I've often wondered the same thing myself!




Moonhead -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/2/2010 1:37:51 PM)

Maybe it's a Horatio Alger thing: they don't want to have to pay taxes, should they become rich without starving to death or dying of a treatable medical condition the ER won't touch because it's a long term thing not something that can be treated with surgery in the meantime?
It's no more stupid a gamble than buying a lottery ticket, in those terms...




KenDckey -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/2/2010 3:02:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joether

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEgh88ueqsQ

Or just not let them talk or submit what appears to be a reasonable objection even if no one is listening.


A reasonable objection?

This is just the same obstructionism that Republicans have been using to try and block any legislation sponsored by Democrats.

Whether it is worthy or not Republicans don't seem to care, as long as it scores them political points.

If it didn't go thru the process then the objection is reasonable.  If someone wants to speak on it they should be allowed.   The purpose of a chair is not to dictate but to rule on parlimentary procedure (whichever one is being used).   The parlimentarian isn't the one to rule but he advises the chair. 


For Republicans to have a reasonable objection, they would first need to have principles that those objections are based on. As Tazzy pointed out above, the Republican Party (and those silly Tea Baggers) are 'for' less goverment, not more. That is their principle. So when they are holding up something, because it doesnt have enough goverement in it, I call B.S.!

This is the same stupid and silly tactics the GOP has done since Mr. Obama came to the White House. The 'Party of No', cares not for Americans, just merely themselves. This, sadly, is just one more perfect example of their 'principles' on display.

Good nutrition, proper exercise, healthy learning, are all ways we help the next generation be better, it a world ever increasing pushing the 'cough potato' syndrome of working at a computer for 12 hours. I am not at all surprise they made a stand on this. Apparently, Republicans are against this as well. Why would they want health, intelligent and educated Americans; those people seem to always vote Democrat?


Joe   Please show where I don't have principles. 




thishereboi -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/2/2010 4:50:11 PM)

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Hillwilliam -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/2/2010 7:12:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

From what I've seen the Republican ideal is to be able to be fat and unhealthy with no health insurance and let the rich get richer while the poor get poorer. Just because it is their GOD GIVEN right by golly!!!!!!!!



Yup and the Democrat ideal is to sit back, collect government checks and whine because the rich mother fuckers get all the breaks. Then they get big brother to make laws that let others raise their kids because little johnny wants a happy meal, but he won't like me if I tell him no.

Ain't America great[8|]




Actually, in this part of the country, a majority of the SSI, EBT and other welfare recipients are HARDCORE Republicans

Apart from those who are teabaggers, of course.
;)



You'd be amazed (or maybe not) how many teabaggers have those little medicare paid for scooters and handicap stickers and SSI disability.




Elisabella -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/2/2010 8:34:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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Republicans are pro life untill they are born. After that....FUKUM.

Seriously, most every state already requires background checks on those who work with kids. For some reason, churches are exempt here. THAT makes a lot of sense neh?

It's a lot worse than just trying to stop parents feeding the kids crap, to be fair. If you do a venn diagram of politicians who are opposed to birth control and/or abortion on demand, and politicians who are opposed to welfare spending on the permanent underclass, it's pretty close to an exact match, isn't it?

If the cunts want people who can't afford to raise kids to have them, they can fucking well pay for them to be fed, housed and educated as well. Otherwise, they can stick their fundamentalist moralising up their arses.


You're not taking into account that pro-life people genuinely view abortion as the murder of a human being.

From a pro-life perspective, what you're saying sounds like "well shoot, if you're going to stop me from bashing this homeless guy's brains in, you damn well better feed and house him, otherwise quit your moralizing."




Termyn8or -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/2/2010 10:39:29 PM)

"Mind elaborating, T? "

I assume you mean post 38 ? I mean that some, not all in this country deserve the shit government we have. Not all.

Perhaps most, perhaps not. We all know there are alot of assholes out there who are out for themselves and nothing else, so to say we got the government we deserve is to mean that I would be one of "we" here. That is not so, and is what burns me up about the world. It could be so much better. We have the government that panders to the lowest common denominator, which I assure you I am not. And neither are others. Many of "us" have to put up with the idiocy in this world, mostly over bullshit, and we are supposed to be happy about it ?

Yeah right. But the fact is that some people do deserve this shit. I can't do much about that, but why do I have to put up with it ? Is it my punishment for being an asshole in the past ?

If so, why punish the whole world ?

T




tazzygirl -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/3/2010 5:19:49 AM)

As a country, we have allowed what is happening to happen. We keep voting the same types of people in, listen to their blathering, and blindly follow the talking heads whom we identify with the most.

Based upon that, American has the kind of government she deserves. Its just not the one she needs.




Moonhead -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/3/2010 5:41:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Republicans are pro life untill they are born. After that....FUKUM.

Seriously, most every state already requires background checks on those who work with kids. For some reason, churches are exempt here. THAT makes a lot of sense neh?

It's a lot worse than just trying to stop parents feeding the kids crap, to be fair. If you do a venn diagram of politicians who are opposed to birth control and/or abortion on demand, and politicians who are opposed to welfare spending on the permanent underclass, it's pretty close to an exact match, isn't it?

If the cunts want people who can't afford to raise kids to have them, they can fucking well pay for them to be fed, housed and educated as well. Otherwise, they can stick their fundamentalist moralising up their arses.


You're not taking into account that pro-life people genuinely view abortion as the murder of a human being.

From a pro-life perspective, what you're saying sounds like "well shoot, if you're going to stop me from bashing this homeless guy's brains in, you damn well better feed and house him, otherwise quit your moralizing."


No it doesn't. That's a mind numbingly specious analogy. The homeless guy already exists, for a start.




Elisabella -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/3/2010 8:38:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

No it doesn't. That's a mind numbingly specious analogy. The homeless guy already exists, for a start.


Are you saying the zygote/fetus doesn't exist? Or are you saying you don't think it's a human life? I'm not going to get into a debate about whether you consider a fetus to be a human life and abortion to be murder, because that's beside the point, which is that pro-lifers do believe it to be taking a human life. And it has to be viewed within that context...your viewpoint is common, actually, that pro-lifers are somehow hypocrites for wanting to prevent what they view as murder but being unwilling to financially support the would-be victim. But it's actually internally consistent.

The problem with my analogy is not that aborted fetuses do not exist, but that there's no inherent expectation that a murderer of homeless people would take care of them. A better analogy would have been stopping a parent from killing an already born child.




servantforuse -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/3/2010 8:47:44 AM)

Maybe parents should be more responsible and see that their children have a lunch to eat, and not the Federal government.




tazzygirl -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/3/2010 8:48:59 AM)

Up until just a few months ago, mr servantm how many people had a job before the government and big business fucked up the economy?




Elisabella -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/3/2010 8:53:53 AM)


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Maybe parents should be more responsible and see that their children have a lunch to eat, and not the Federal government.


I agree, parents should be responsible for their children.

The problem is that letting the child go hungry punishes the child, not the parent.




KenDckey -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/3/2010 2:21:36 PM)

When I was in Cali I was required by the school to submit for the free meal program.   Between my wife and I we made somewhere around 6K a month net.  It was approved every time because we were considered poor.   The school told me that if I didn't sign the kids up, that they couldn't go to that school because they would lose funding.  Never made sense to me.  Can someone explain this?




Moonhead -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/5/2010 7:55:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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No it doesn't. That's a mind numbingly specious analogy. The homeless guy already exists, for a start.


Are you saying the zygote/fetus doesn't exist? Or are you saying you don't think it's a human life?

The latter, obviously. If it can't survive outside the womb, it isn't a human being yet. Sorry if you don't like it, but the pro lifers haven't managed to change that as a legal definition yet.

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The problem with my analogy is not that aborted fetuses do not exist, but that there's no inherent expectation that a murderer of homeless people would take care of them. A better analogy would have been stopping a parent from killing an already born child.

In which case, maybe you shouldn't have used such a ridiculous comparison in the first place?




Moonhead -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/5/2010 7:57:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

When I was in Cali I was required by the school to submit for the free meal program.   Between my wife and I we made somewhere around 6K a month net.  It was approved every time because we were considered poor.   The school told me that if I didn't sign the kids up, that they couldn't go to that school because they would lose funding.  Never made sense to me.  Can someone explain this?

Are any other forms of state or federal funding for the kids tied in with them being on the free meal programme?




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/5/2010 8:22:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

When I was in Cali I was required by the school to submit for the free meal program.   Between my wife and I we made somewhere around 6K a month net.  It was approved every time because we were considered poor.   The school told me that if I didn't sign the kids up, that they couldn't go to that school because they would lose funding.  Never made sense to me.  Can someone explain this?


Some districts who have a high Free & Reduced population can get all their meals approved as free.  Receiving food stamps and some programs for a special needs child automatically qualifies all the students in that household to receive free lunches.

If none of those were the case in the district you speak of, they were committing many felonies.




KenDckey -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/5/2010 10:51:01 AM)

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Are any other forms of state or federal funding for the kids tied in with them being on the free meal programme?



Not that I know of

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Some districts who have a high Free & Reduced population can get all their meals approved as free.  Receiving food stamps and some programs for a special needs child automatically qualifies all the students in that household to receive free lunches.

If none of those were the case in the district you speak of, they were committing many felonies.



As far as I am concerned they weren't    and I agree it should have been a felony






Moonhead -> RE: Child Nutrition Legislation (12/5/2010 11:21:10 AM)

It sounds dodgy, but I do wonder what on earth the school board got out of it if the kids being on the free lunch thing didn't make them eligible for any other grants or supplementaries.




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