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The modern American conservative movement- defined as the Fox News/ Limbaugh/ Palin brand- has also failed in a deeper and more profound way- it has actually become a mirror image of its archenemy, the Marxists.

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This fervent embrace of the Free Market fundamentalism is actually a contradiction of the principle of a civil and moral order in society- the conservative movement that originally embraced the Judeo-Christian doctrines of charity and social responsibililty . . .[snip]

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Actually, I consider the Tea Party to be the closest thing we have now to true conservatives. Note that they haven't bought into the trickle-down, Laffer curve bull that triggered the tax cuts that supposedly bring us prosperity.  Nor do they have a cowboy , shoot-em-up approach to foreign diplomacy (in fairness, they do not have a cohesive view of the world past our borders).  So, like I said, they seem to have adopted the traditions of conservatism without the neocon insanity.

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I had argued previously that conservatism has failed, in that (at least in its current political form) is incapable, even unwilling, to provide broad based middle class prosperity. It can't "deliver the goods", but only indulge in tribal warfare and power lust.

The modern American conservative movement- defined as the Fox News/ Limbaugh/ Palin brand- has also failed in a deeper and more profound way- it has actually become a mirror image of its archenemy, the Marxists.

The original conservative movement after WWII was founded by people like Russell Kirk and Wm. F Buckley. They rose in reaction to the Marxists, who put forward the idea that there was a perfect System, a Grand Unified Theory of politics that could answer everything. The Marxists imagined a world in which there was no private secotr, in which everything was held public and in common.

The conservative movement rose to defend the notion of a mixed economy, that the public sector, while important, also needed a private sector.

But more importantly, they criticized and rejected the idea of a Grand Theory of Everything, they argued that we should embrace the natural complexity of society, and be cautious and skeptical of radical change and triumphalist claims. They both sought a careful balance between the two poles of freedom on one hand, and civic order on the other.

Kirk, for example, wrote "Being neither a religion nor an ideology, the body of opinion termed conservatism possesses no Holy Writ and no Das Kapital to provide dogmata."

Today's conservative movement actually rejects that- the current conservative movement is emphatically triumphalist, and argues for a complete dismantling of the public sphere, and holds the Free Market as a Holy Writ, a dogma to be pursued at all costs.

Examples of this would be the case in Tennessee where a community had privatized the Fire Department, which stood by and watched while a man's house burned down; or the cases where people are allowed to die like dogs, simply for lack of money. Resonable people find these things abhorrent, but conservatives find them acceptable, the price to be paid for faithfullness to "Free Market principles".

This fervent embrace of the Free Market fundamentalism is actually a contradiction of the principle of a civil and moral order in society- the conservative movement that originally embraced the Judeo-Christian doctrines of charity and social responsibililty, now has as its folk hero a man who stood in front of wealthy money-changers, and snarled that he didn't "wanna pay the mortgages of losers".

The original conservatives placed faith and reason side by side; faith gave rise to moral values, while reason explained economic principles. Conservatives were hppy to modify economic ideas, depending on evidence and date; that is to say, they agreed that taxes and spending should go up or down, depending on the needs of the economy; but the modern conservatives embrace a cult-like orthodoxy, where economic ideas such as supply side economics are gospel, and must be adhered to without question- even when their own creators have renounced them.

This cultish faith mimics the fratricidal wars of the Soviet Marxists, in their zeal to enforce orthodox thought and cast out nonbelivers- Note the fervor for "purity" in conservative circles, the fondness for ideological purges of errant thought.

The conservative movement has lost its bearings; Conservative British blogger Andrew Sullivan said that watching his American counterparts devolve into Tea Party-ism is like watching a favorite cousin go mad, shave his head, and join a cult.

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DarkSteven-

But they have seized control of the name and banner of "conservatism", whether you or I like it or not. Further, they have gained almost absolute control of the Republican party.

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This fervent embrace of the Free Market fundamentalism is actually a contradiction of the principle of a civil and moral order in society- the conservative movement that originally embraced the Judeo-Christian doctrines of charity and social responsibililty, now has as its folk hero a man who stood in front of wealthy money-changers, and snarled that he didn't "wanna pay the mortgages of losers".

That is what kills me about these so-called Christians who all run to denounce evolution; who do not have the fortitude to stand up to their bretheren and say, "You know what? Evolution is a guiding principle of the science of biology. Now, get over it." Instead, they hoot and holler about "family values" and abortions for none and curing gays, slapping each other on the back in congratulation of being holier than thou. Jesus Christ said, "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me." So when asshat snarls that he doesn't want to pay the mortgages of losers, I really have to wonder WWJD? Their politics are horrific, but when they also wrap that up in the burrito of being a good Christian, what can you do except shake your head?

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AnimusRex, I agree with you about this new movement, but like Rich hinted, don't consider it truly "conservative".  Some of it is genuinely conservative, such as the Tea Party idea about limiting taxes AND spending.  The Limbaugh/Beck/Palin/Coulter crew are a bunch of shills that pander to a mindset by criticizing without actually proposing anything positive.  I wouldn't call them conservatives - to my mind, conservatives have a set ideology and plans for governing.  The talking heads are certainly not liberal, but they have no plan, and no desire or ability to lead.

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Today's conservative movement actually rejects that- the current conservative movement is emphatically triumphalist, and argues for a complete dismantling of the public sphere, and holds the Free Market as a Holy Writ, a dogma to be pursued at all costs.