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xssve -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/11/2010 6:57:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear

Steve, the title of your OP says "BDSM is wrong" and you quote some vague article with no actual reference. May I ask what you're doing here? Everyone can agree to disagree but you can't argue with a troll. It's been proven time and time again within the annals of the forums. So please take a long walk off a short pier and disappear into the realm from which you came. Or your mother's basement, whichever came first. [&:]

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To be fair, the author of the article didn't say BDSM is wrong, or even imply it, that title was clearly a troll to get people to look, and the thread an excuse to lobby for male supremacy. The author comments on self control issues that might make for a bad dominant, in terms of relationship dynamics, which anybody doing this for very long becomes aware of fairly quickly - in fact, it describes my ex perfectly, she wasn't into BDSM but she doesn't let anybody in, or allow anybody to tell her a damn thing - but while these are valid issues, they hardly apply exclusively to women - it may be there are more women running around that have abuse issues than men, but that would be statistical fallout from popular notions of... male supremacy.

In fact, there are a number of syndromes that might make submissiveness attractive to both sexes, without necessarily being the mythical "submissive personality type" - ranging from genetic shyness to ADHD, people who feel they just aren't in control of themselves, and benefit from a firm hand to help them maintain some stability, or buffer them from unpleasant social interactions, etc. - one of the benefits of being in a dyad is that the respective partners can compensate for each others weaknesses - again, this applies to both sexes, and assuming male or female supremacy can only result in unstable individuals being arbitrarily handed the reins in a relationship, leading to potential abuses, and the accompanying reaction formations the author is warning against etc., etc., i.e., a vicious cycle.

Even a strictly biological based gender construct is still a Bell Curve, and there are individuals who fall outside the average range - where in this construct of yours do intersexed individuals belong, for example?

Social constructs are inherently abstract and even less rational, even if you assume there is some basis for biologically based gender constructs, i.e., male=testosterone and upper body strength=dominance, there is still no room for mosaicism, the results of which may not always be visible to the naked eye, and it also assumes that dominance is always tied to physical aggression - the problem with these types of monolithic constructs is that they have to either ignore or persecute the exceptions, for violating some abstract "rule", which even if it's based on some biological argument, is based on bad biology.

The first rule of the scientific method is observation: to study that which is there - not to wish away what you think ought not to exist.




rulemylife -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/11/2010 9:01:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub


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ORIGINAL: steve2011
I'm sure you are a very nice woman but I feel your in denial about this lifestyle, although if it's a big part of your life I can understand you being defensive about it so I respect that, but if you answered honestly why you feel the need for control so much i'm almost 100% certain there'd be a big reason behind it and if you dealt with that at some point you would stop coming on here.


And why are you here? Ooo... right... to 'help us'. Like the pastor in the strip clubs. He's only there to hand out Bibles. Mmhmm.



I think he's the Reverend Jim's son.


Saving Whores in Vegas: My Evangelical Mission




subinlife -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/11/2010 9:24:27 AM)

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I see everyone is handling this thread very well.
He really needs to meet some of the folks here and see what we are really like.




steve2011 -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 9:23:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subinlife

[sm=popcorn.gif][sm=popcorn.gif][sm=agree.gif]
 
 
I see everyone is handling this thread very well.
He really needs to meet some of the folks here and see what we are really like.



Like a lot of stealth narcisstic people im sure a lot of you are nice people at times, yet i would advise anyone off here to stay well away from so called dominants, it's just common sense, if you feel you can't do this then get help. If you read my posts i've never got abusive once, perhaps my thread title could have been a bit more understand but I stand by everything I said.




kalikshama -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 9:34:12 AM)

By telling me I need help because I like dominants, you are being abusive. Go away.





AquaticSub -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 9:41:24 AM)

Actually I think your refusal to answer valid questions about your sources and training, while attempting to diagnose us all as "bad" or otherwise damaged counts as abusive. Mental abuse is a thing you know. Fortunately it doesn't seem like anyone is taking you seriously.




mnottertail -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 9:44:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: steve2011
Like a lot of stealth narcisstic people im sure a lot of you are nice people at times, yet i would advise anyone off here to stay well away from so called dominants, it's just common sense, if you feel you can't do this then get help. If you read my posts i've never got abusive once, perhaps my thread title could have been a bit more understand but I stand by everything I said.


What if I am the dominant?




AquaticSub -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 9:45:13 AM)

Then everyone gets head. XD




steve2011 -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 9:47:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Actually I think your refusal to answer valid questions about your sources and training, while attempting to diagnose us all as "bad" or otherwise damaged counts as abusive. Mental abuse is a thing you know. Fortunately it doesn't seem like anyone is taking you seriously.


what questions are they?

why do you feel the need to 'submit' to people to become aroused? why dont you look into it? can't you show love without having to weakne yourself?




AquaticSub -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 9:55:16 AM)

You proved my point. You insist that I'm weakening myself, like the abusive husband tears down his wife. You are abusive.

As for the questions, people have asked you repeatedly for your training and your references. I have repeatedly asked you if you will go to a munch and talk to the people there. It is very easy to be abusive and dismissive on the Internet. Do you have the courage to interact with the people you are abusing and see them as real people? Do you have the courage to risk seeing that we a happy, strong, vibrant people? Do you have the courage to chance seeing that you are wrong?




LadyConstanze -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 10:03:15 AM)

Could it be that he's a bit of a narcissist and is only trying to wind people up for a bit of attention?

I guess he's also busy posting recipes for meat pie on vegan web boards...

What is quite interesting is that he warns about dominants when his profile reads

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User Name: steve2011
Description: Dominant Male






sexyred1 -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 10:22:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: steve2011


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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Actually I think your refusal to answer valid questions about your sources and training, while attempting to diagnose us all as "bad" or otherwise damaged counts as abusive. Mental abuse is a thing you know. Fortunately it doesn't seem like anyone is taking you seriously.


what questions are they?

why do you feel the need to 'submit' to people to become aroused? why dont you look into it? can't you show love without having to weakne yourself?


Ok, now that is just too funny....:)

Other random things in this thread musings...

- why is Ron vanilla again
- long haired young Doms are hot
- why people still are not convinced that Cloverfield would win
- not into Spock at all, but used to have the original Capt Kirk poster above my head, I think he was my first fantasy Dom, just imagine him ordering me around in that halting language...
- why anyone would think BDSM is wrong when it is so very right




kalikshama -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 10:58:08 AM)

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why do you feel the need to 'submit' to people to become aroused? why dont you look into it? can't you show love without having to weakne yourself?


I am quite comfortable with my sexuality, thank you. YOU should ask YOUR therapist why this issue bothers YOU so much.

We're on page 15 of this thread and you still persist in your delusion that subs are weak. Obviously, we don't have a big enough clue stick for you.

Go bother the vegans with your meat recipes.




mnottertail -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 11:01:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Then everyone gets head. XD


And I should go to some pimplefaced prick to get a handle on this terror so I should feel bad about that, why?




AquaticSub -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 11:11:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

why do you feel the need to 'submit' to people to become aroused? why dont you look into it? can't you show love without having to weakne yourself?


I am quite comfortable with my sexuality, thank you. YOU should ask YOUR therapist why this issue bothers YOU so much.

We're on page 15 of this thread and you still persist in your delusion that subs are weak. Obviously, we don't have a big enough clue stick for you.

Go bother the vegans with your meat recipes.


While at the therapist, he should also learn what abuse really is. He requires us to be weak for his world to function and so he is trying to make us believe we are weak.

Classic sign of an abuser. He and his insistence that we are weak are more of a danger around here than the d-types.




AquaticSub -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 11:12:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Then everyone gets head. XD


And I should go to some pimplefaced prick to get a handle on this terror so I should feel bad about that, why?


Fuck if I know. I'm pretty comfortable with the situation. [:D]




mnottertail -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 11:18:16 AM)

its just a ...   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I  and you gotta love THAT!!!!!





AquaticSub -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 11:19:39 AM)

I like her music but her videos scare me sometimes... [:(]




subinlife -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 11:25:32 AM)

I see the troll is still here lol.




AquaticSub -> RE: Bdsm is wrong (12/23/2010 11:27:36 AM)

Seems to have signed off. I guess the 'weak' people here scared him off for now. [;)]




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