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Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/7/2010 9:59:03 AM   
Jaybeee


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http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/210592.php

(I'd have pasted it all here, but just at the bottom where a copy-paste would end, appeared the words "Not to be reproduced without permission).

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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/8/2010 7:48:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've seen this floating around the news... of course what they are NOT saying is that lots of aspirin will also give you liver failure >.>

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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/8/2010 9:33:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		It can also be toxic to anyone with a bleeding disorder or clotting problems.

I truly miss the days when you could not find a single advertisement on TV for any type of drug.

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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/8/2010 10:13:49 PM   
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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/8/2010 10:23:41 PM   
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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/8/2010 10:34:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why do I care where it was published ? Published data are proven wrong, sometimes even by the publishers. How they get 21 % ? Less people died. Did they give them placebos and watch them die ?

If not the study is not double blind and therefore cannot yield valid data. That has been a problem for a long time, people accept these numbers blindly, and really, maybe it works for 50 or 60 %, we don't know that either. All I am saying is that this is not even worth considering.

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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/8/2010 11:03:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Statistical correlation and variable control. It basically says that within their groups people who took aspirin daily were less likely to die of cancer by 21% than those who didn't take aspirin. As others have said this could be because their livers failed first, bleeding disorder, they were hit by cars, etc. What is also not mentioned is that in such studies the "21%" is often really just going from a .002% chance to an .00242.

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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/8/2010 11:07:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's why I don't buy it. Give me the raw data. They were talking about IC chips in pills to monitor patient compliance at one time. There is no way to prove these people took the drug nor any way to prove the seemingly absent "control group" did not.

Therefore I refuse to give it any significant weight, when it comes to my own conclusions.

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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/8/2010 11:36:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ordinarily I'd accept this as at least a valid indicator but ever since those pandemics failed to do anymore than produce profits from govt. and private spending in the hystria...somebody could be just as easily be out to make a buck off of this. Check to see if Bayer Group stock has taken a jump ?

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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/9/2010 12:59:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Lancet was the one who published the study that linked vaccinations to autism.

Pretty much sent warning bells when i read that. Aspirin is a great medication, when used properly. A study like this will boost sales, and death rates.

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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/9/2010 2:05:56 AM   
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Ordinarily I'd accept this as at least a valid indicator but ever since those pandemics failed to do anymore than produce profits from govt. and private spending in the hystria...somebody could be just as easily be out to make a buck off of this. Check to see if Bayer Group stock has taken a jump ?


Frankly, those potential pandemics were scary shit and could have been a lot worse. There was definitely some fear mongering and misrepresenting of the truth but the reason they got so much press (originally at least) was because of their potential.

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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/9/2010 2:15:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyOfTheEyes

I've seen this floating around the news... of course what they are NOT saying is that lots of aspirin will also give you liver failure >.>

Do you have a source for this? I know that acetaminophen (APAP; Tylenol) is hepatotoxic. I never use APAP by itself, and I am loathe to take it in combination with hydrocodone. Recently, I was prescribed Vicodin ES, which is 7.5 mg. hydrocodone and 750 mg. APAP. That is a low to moderate dose of opioid. It is a high dose of APAP, taken 6 times (1 tab every 4 hours) a day. That dose exceeds the recommended dose of APAP. I called and requested a pain med with a lower dose of APAP, and the "doctor" claimed he couldn't give me anything with less acetaminophen. He was a lying motherfucker. I won't be going back to him, and when I finish all the shit I'm going through, he's getting reported.

Anyway, not heard that about aspirin. BTW, Heretic knows how to extract aspirin from willow trees.

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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/9/2010 4:11:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I believe you are correct. If memory serves me right, to much aspirin can cause bleeding problems and stomach ulcers. Tylenol screws up your liver and if you take too much Motrin, your kidneys could shut down. Personally, I prefer the herbal approach


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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/9/2010 7:33:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Haven't read the full paper yet but the free bit on the lancet website seems legit.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2810%2962110-1/fulltext#

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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/9/2010 7:40:20 AM   
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SIDE EFFECTS: Most patients benefit from aspirin and other NSAIDs with few side effects. However, serious side effects can occur and generally tend to be dose-related. Therefore, it is advisable to use the lowest effective dose to minimize side effects.

The most common side effects of aspirin involve the gastrointestinal system and ringing in the ears. With respect to the gastrointestinal system, it can cause ulcerations, abdominal burning, pain, cramping, nausea, gastritis, and even serious gastrointestinal bleeding and liver toxicity. Sometimes, ulceration and bleeding can occur without any abdominal pain. Black tarry stools, weakness, and dizziness upon standing may be the only signs of internal bleeding.

Children and teenagers should avoid aspirin for symptoms of the flu or chickenpox because of the associated risk of Reye's Syndrome, a serious disease of the liver and nervous system that can lead to coma and death

http://www.medicinenet.com/acetylsalicylic_acid/page2.htm

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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/9/2010 7:41:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Haven't read the full paper yet but the free bit on the lancet website seems legit.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2810%2962110-1/fulltext#


So did the paper on immunizations. I simply no longer trust the Lancet as a valid medical source.

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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/9/2010 7:47:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyOfTheEyes

I've seen this floating around the news... of course what they are NOT saying is that lots of aspirin will also give you liver failure >.>

I have had some major liver surgery in the past and my doctors now are very wary of prescribing aspirin or nsaid's to me.  I am allowed to take low doses only for short term use


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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/9/2010 11:54:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Haven't read the full paper yet but the free bit on the lancet website seems legit.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2810%2962110-1/fulltext#


So did the paper on immunizations. I simply no longer trust the Lancet as a valid medical source.

Not really. That paper was vague on all sorts of details.

This paper is a study of data from other studies so the data sources are known and can be easily double checked.

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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/9/2010 7:31:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		"So did the paper on immunizations."

That wasn't my source. If you remember it was an MD witrh several children. Not all were autistic, and the ones that were had little or no mercury in hair samples, while their normal siblings did. His conclusion was that the autistic ones were unable to excete the mercury, while the normal ones could. That is not my conclusion so I don't take it as gospel, but it makes sense. What's more these were siblings, therefore they had similar environments. The only thing better would be a double blind study using identical twins, and that is not likely to happen.

Am I biased towards evidence indicating that one should take less drugs against what says take more drugs ? You bet your pudenda I am.

Source matters not almost. Does it make sense ? I am also not swallowing the one by Linus Pauling yet either. I need more answers first. Ironically they don't have to prove things beyond a shadow of a doubt, but it has to make sense. I have little taste for miracle breakthroughs either.

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RE: Aspirin reduces Cancer 21%.... - 12/9/2010 8:04:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

...allegedly!!

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/210592.php

Not quite, although it's interesting data, and will be investigated further. The NHS clinical summary that I've seen basically says "nice idea, but needs a shedload more research".

One thing that always amazes me is the way that news outlets (of all kinds) strip out a few headline figures and then construct pieces around those cherry-picked numbers; the summary on the web site you've posted contains a number of inaccuracies, and more importantly doesn't carry the large number of caveats the original data, and the NIHCE/NHS clinical summary, include.

But yes it's interesting data. Note also that the dosage levels are very low (75mg, or about a quarter of the lowest OTC pill amounts), and that the "benefits" (if indeed they turn out to be so) aren't increased with increased aspirin dosage levels.

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