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Israel should unilaterally give the palestinian arabs a state on the so called occupied territories, with the clear understanding that Israel does not surrender its rights as a sovereign nation. Then in a week or so when the first mortar or rocket is fired into Israel, the Israelis could legally roll in and empty the territories and be done with all the whining by suckers who think Israel is the problem.

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a people that has adamantly refused to negotiate in good faith or to seek a real peace are not going to suddenly be peaceful even if they get a reasonable state handed to them. I'm still waiting for the palestinian arabs to honor even one part of the various agreements made with Israel since the early 90's.

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Debate remains stifled, despite Peter Beinart’s important piece this year in the New York Review of Books describing growing alienation among young American Jews asked to “check their liberalism at Zionism’s door.” Oh, sure, you can find all sorts of opinions about Israel all over the place; America remains an open society. But Aipac has systematically shunned a debate with J Street, the upstart Jewish organization that supports Israel, opposes the settlements and attempts to reclaim the progressive ideals of Zionism by saying that the systematic oppression of the Palestinians undermines Israel.


“These organizations’ view remains essentially that any time you engage in an activity critical of Israel you are trying to destroy the state of Israel,” Jeremy Ben-Ami, the president of J Street, told me. “Here are all these Jewish kids being raised on great liberal values at Hebrew schools — walks for the homeless, Darfur, AIDS — but God forbid we talk about what’s happening in Israel! It’s a dynamic that cuts off discourse.”

nytimes.com

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I'm still waiting for anyone to even try and claim that the palestinians have lived up to even one point in any of the many agreements they have entered into with Israel.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I'm still waiting for anyone to even try and claim that the palestinians have lived up to even one point in any of the many agreements they have entered into with Israel.

How is this relevant to the claim that Israel is not interested in negotiating for peace, and that the road-map is broken?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

If it could simply be resolved by the Israelis and Palistinians it would have already been done.

I remember Arafats bullshit since I was a small boy.  Only since his death has any meaningful dialogue taken place between the two, but its been a rough road to hoe. 

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If it could simply be resolved by the Israelis and Palistinians it would have already been done.

I remember Arafats bullshit since I was a small boy.  Only since his death has any meaningful dialogue taken place between the two, but its been a rough road to hoe. 

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Isn't the real tragedy of the whole situation that anyone with a half-open mind can see the broad outlines of a solution

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Isn't the real tragedy of the whole situation that anyone with a half-open mind can see the broad outlines of a solution

No, the real tragedy of the whole situation is that people still think that there IS a non-military soluton. Centuries of hate and genocide in the name of a religion that wishes it was still the 13th century will NEVER be reversed diplomatically.