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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 9:45:39 AM   
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Relatively unimportant?

Compared to what the rest of the current government's agenda will do to the UK, yes, it is. Relatively.


I think bright minds are the future of every country, so denying bright minds the chance to get educated on account of their social station is a step back to the feudal system.

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 9:49:06 AM   
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I think bright minds are the future of every country, so denying bright minds the chance to get educated on account of their social station is a step back to the feudal system.

Lovely ideals. Smashing.

However I view people starving, families being put out on the streets, and the elderly dying in droves due to a knackered NHS as far more important priorities in the current climate than a few kids carrying slightly more debt for slightly longer, but each to their own.

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 9:53:24 AM   
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Relatively unimportant?

Compared to what the rest of the current government's agenda will do to the UK, yes, it is. Relatively.


I think bright minds are the future of every country, so denying bright minds the chance to get educated on account of their social station is a step back to the feudal system.


I agree 100%.   Good post.  :-)

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 9:55:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		While I agree with you in theory, in practice none of the examples you give are actually happening in the UK.

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 9:57:50 AM   
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I agree 100%.   Good post.  :-)

*chortle*

Let's face it, no system which encourages bright minds is ever going to be of any interest to you.

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 9:59:18 AM   
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While I agree with you in theory, in practice none of the examples you give are actually happening in the UK.

Benefits change, housing benefit change, and the arse-raping the NHS is about to take (cunningly concealed as a "savings & efficiency" plan), will manage most or all of it. Wait and see

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 10:02:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh dear, you mean the NHS was working before Cameron came into power? When was that? I missed that completely...

I remember however that Brown took the stance that there is nothing wrong with the NHS (that's why he went to see a private dentist I guess because somebody as lowly as the PM couldn't get an emergency appointment with an NHS dentist).

So everything you are against now is getting accelerated by the "minor issue" of the raised student fees, because then the coming generations of politicians will be just the ones who could afford to pay the bills and since they grew up in relative comfort, they will care about people who can't afford private insurance, are jobless and possibly homeless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02i5GfKiVrQ

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 10:06:19 AM   
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Oh dear, you mean the NHS was working before Cameron came into power? When was that? I missed that completely...

Just wait and see. I promise you the next 4-5 years is going to make the previous NHS issues look like the golden years.

Thankfully I'm leaving that industry sector, hence all the meetings I was having today, setting up something I've been looking to as a way off the sinking ship, and back into more profitable waters once again

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 10:08:54 AM   
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You will find that Rap- agrees with the status quo.  A total cheerleader for it.   In his world- love it or leave it.

....my concern is that we are darkening the future of our kids.. and yes- what happens in the UK is related to what happens in the US.  The kids are our future.  And we are telling them-   to forget about any sort of future.

The Universities produce knowledge- so it is on them to creatively re-work the model for the good of humanity.  Anything less then that is un-acceptable.

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 10:10:45 AM   
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LadyC,

You will find that Rap- agrees with the status quo.  A total cheerleader for it.   In his world- love it or leave it.

....my concern is that we are darkening the future of our kids.. and yes- what happens in the UK is related to what happens in the US.  The kids are our future.  And we are telling them-   to forget about any sort of future.

The Universities produce knowledge- so it is on them to creatively re-work the model for the good of humanity.  Anything less then that is un-acceptable.


With every passing post you make yourself look more of a toadying buffoon than was previously thought possible.

It's a hoot watching you though, so please don't stop

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 10:14:38 AM   
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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 10:17:39 AM   
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....my concern is that we are darkening the future of our kids.. and yes- what happens in the UK is related to what happens in the US.  The kids are our future.  And we are telling them-   to forget about any sort of future.

The Universities produce knowledge- so it is on them to creatively re-work the model for the good of humanity.  Anything less then that is un-acceptable.


well, kids can also go abroad to study to keep uni costs low. In other countries studying is still cheap

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 10:18:56 AM   
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FYI-  I may unblock Rap for Christmas.   :-D

Like anyone but you gives a crap either way.

It’s of zero importance who you block and who you don't, and the fact you're so keen to trumpet it from the rooftops every time says more about you and your somewhat tragic need for validation and attention than it does about anyone you've currently got the arse with.

You're the textbook drama llama.

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 10:21:16 AM   
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....my concern is that we are darkening the future of our kids.. and yes- what happens in the UK is related to what happens in the US.  The kids are our future.  And we are telling them-   to forget about any sort of future.

The Universities produce knowledge- so it is on them to creatively re-work the model for the good of humanity.  Anything less then that is un-acceptable.


well, kids can also go abroad to study to keep uni costs low. In other countries studying is still cheap


College costs here have crept up.   Even local community colleges- the price tag is a abit of sticker shock.   

Tho it still sounds cheaper then UK proposed costs- depending if you have a place to stay... and residency.

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 10:24:05 AM   
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Tho it still sounds cheaper then UK proposed costs- depending if you have a place to stay... and residency.

Depends if you want a mickey-mouse degree from a mickey mouse institution, or not.

If you want a good degree from a respected institution then, on either side of the Atlantic, it's going to cost.

Don't worry though. I doubt very much it's a quandary you'll ever have to face.

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 10:34:08 AM   
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Oh dear, you mean the NHS was working before Cameron came into power? When was that? I missed that completely...

Just wait and see. I promise you the next 4-5 years is going to make the previous NHS issues look like the golden years.

Thankfully I'm leaving that industry sector, hence all the meetings I was having today, setting up something I've been looking to as a way off the sinking ship, and back into more profitable waters once again



Seriously, I can't imagine how somebody could fuck the NHS even more than it is now. I'm having a German private health insurance, costs me an arm and a leg but so worth it. Despite the insurance covering almost everything (I pay the first €800), I still have to deal with GPs here before I see a specialist. Don't get me started on the dentists here, or the ambulances, or the hospitals, it's freaking shocking. After one visit to a highly recommended dentist, I decided I fly to Germany for anything dental, cheaper and a million years ahead and no dentist will give you just the cheapest solution - heck the UK dentist gave me a root canal without even asking, German dentist hit the roof that he didn't even try to keep the tooth alive, then put a crown on that was replaced in Germany ASAP as it didn't even fit properly - dentist didn't think he should send it back to the lab, he just filed the surface straight and I had to INSIST that it's ceramic and not gold (sorry but don't want to laugh with a gold molar, not just yet).

Wanna talk about thyroid issues and several GPs flatly refusing to send me to a specialist as my T4 read normal and they saw no reason to check the T3, it's not "done" - despite the fact that I repeatedly pointed out that I only have 10% of my thyroid left and I show all signs of being hypo and I only didn't gain much weight due to a problem with anemia. Nope, can't be and they tried to give me antidepressants or tried to convince me I might be suffering from abnormally early menopause (you would think I would notice if I'd skip periods)... One MD got really pissy and yelled at me "I'm the doctor here" after I explained that every specialist in every country told me I need to stay on the thyroid supplements for the rest of my life. When I replied "So am I, but at least I know my PhD isn't in medicine!" He asked me to leave his office, I did and booked a flight back to Europe, when they gave me a hard time about the nodules having grown back and why I didn't take the supplements, I explained. You should have seen their faces and the double takes they did... They supplied me with a nice letter which I sent to the head of the practice, I was asked in and told that they are terribly sorry but he supports his staff members fully as the danger of the thyroid hormone outweights the benefits but within 3 days I could see a specialist, who said "They should have sent you to me straight away..."
8 weeks later a car crash, saw GP as my hand was still numb, first thing she tried to do was to take me off the thyroid as it might be a side effect of the thyroid and not a pinched nerve... Quality comedy if it wouldn't be my health.

Seriously, any medical emergency, I rather crawl to the next airport and on a plane than risking my life with the NHS.

Cat ran over my face and I went to the ER to get a tetanus booster as it was a big scratch and near the eye... I explain to a doctor who spoke Engrish but not English that I can only tolerate 3 kinds of antibiotics, here's my allergy pass (all in Latin) and he tries to convince me that since I am allergic to penicillin I should try amoxycillin, I explained that I am also allergic to that, he told me I don't want help, he has to make a note.... I did tell him that because it being the ER doesn't mean that I want to be a real emergency situation because I will stop breathing if he shoots me up with amoxycillin, he looked utterly puzzled...

I lived in the UK before, about 10 years ago, the NHS was not perfect but it was at least acceptable, now it's fucked, with a capital F, dunno how they can make it worse? I think the NHS is actually a national health risk... At least a medicine man with a rattle and bones can't do much damage...

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 10:36:21 AM   
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Seriously, I can't imagine how somebody could fuck the NHS even more than it is now.

Wait 4-5 years. You won't have to imagine

And you clearly weren't here in the Thatcher years - waiting times were many times what they are now, and care even worse. However, even those times are about to pale compared to what's to come.

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 10:48:37 AM   
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Tho it still sounds cheaper then UK proposed costs- depending if you have a place to stay... and residency.

Depends if you want a mickey-mouse degree from a mickey mouse institution, or not.

If you want a good degree from a respected institution then, on either side of the Atlantic, it's going to cost.

Don't worry though. I doubt very much it's a quandary you'll ever have to face.


back home its still cheap, we havent had fees until 3-5 years ago and now they are only at €1k per year and I couldnt agree less with a la costing more is automatically better, considering in my two apprentice ships at home I had to work much harder for eg. law exams where we had to be able to apply the law out of law books with no written comments in it,if we want a chance to get through, whereas here personal notes in whatever way, shape and form were allowed and then many spoon fed students being shocked in final year to have one closed book exam at last

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 10:58:00 AM   
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I so hear you about T3.  I mean it is beyond belief!

The DRs here - most are going by the OLD guidelines.  It sucks- because it is only 1/2 the treatment for what is a very burdensome condition.

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RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under ... - 12/15/2010 10:59:12 AM   
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Seriously, I can't imagine how somebody could fuck the NHS even more than it is now.

Wait 4-5 years. You won't have to imagine

And you clearly weren't here in the Thatcher years - waiting times were many times what they are now, and care even worse. However, even those times are about to pale compared to what's to come.


To be honest, I don't plan to stick around for the long run, I prefer properly qualified doctors especially since I'm not getting any younger.

I'm a bit too young to recall much of Thatcherism, in retrospect and reading up on her, she damaged a lot of things but cuts were seriously needed. The selling off of council flats and houses was stupid, ruining the whole manufacturing industry in the UK and trying to turn it into a banking and insurance paradise, freaking ridiculous and it backfired massively (apart from the US the UK possibly has the most unqualified bankers in branches, I got another account in a European country because transfering money that isn't in GBP is a nightmare trip, receiving or sending), I pay about £15 every 3 months for that but I get SERVICE for it... Not the call center in India where they read from a script...

Seriously, the NHS needs cuts because they are spending too much on administration and pissing money away on stupid things, while stuff that's needed is in short supply. If you got weeks and weeks of waiting time, the problem is not going away, it's getting worse and in the end will cost more to get treated.

About a year ago a headhunter contacted me, NHS in your neck of the woods needed a PR person, the crux of the matter was (apart from that I didn't want to work for them anyway and the money wasn't that great) that they wanted me to give a PP about the NHS, what the problems are and how to fix it, and I had 30 minutes for it. I decided to be honest and told them that in 30 minutes I couldn't even scratch the surface and thank you very much, I rather pass...

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