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MsMacComb -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 2:55:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mons MsMacComb I understand you thinking that many African Amercians may see chains in a bad way but in reality many of us are in to kink. It is funny when i hear one of my friend who happens to be african american laughed and call someone a freak this means this person male or female is deep into some wild things, I do not live in an area where I see many Africa Americans I am one but i am use to being in my area but they do have many who want to be tie whipped, etc but they hide on the internet . I could never tell anyone in my chruch i do this or like that i think they would bapsith is again several times lol. When I said finding on the internet we do have several differen things i been to none i like so far, . Manytimes the African Amercian are not looking for one another we like me look for white males others look for white females it is different sometime. That is a short history for some who may not know. take care and wishes you will mons/jane Thanks for your nice words Mons. I never doubted nor confused that all people are the same on the inside so people of any race are into whatever kink that everyone else may be. I guess its just that approaching some people is easier depending on their race. Things, details, comments, terms, names, positions, equipment and mannerisms while not important to many of some races may well be to others and I (and I assume others) wish to respect that. As everyone knows, you can whip, beat, spit on, slap around, deny, curse at and piss on a sub as long as its done with consent and respect, lol. (Sounds stupid but you know what I mean). [:)]

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 3:03:50 AM)
I think you're looking for twuble, but I'll play along. [:)] quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear How important is a potential sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity to you deciding to lock a collar about her throat? His color is not important at all. Our connection on a multitude of levels is what would make me decide on permanent vs he's gotta go. quote: C'm on folks, females, fellas and bald iggles fess up.. Just how much does this affect you choices.....Just immaging y'all have a football field packed with suitable collering material..... Being where I am, where race matters pervade everything in our lives, I bring it up with people for discussion when they approach me. If we can converse like 2 human beings with a minimum of stereotypes, or we can honestly/respectfully discuss stereotypes without prejudice, than I am open to anyone from any race. Ignorant unkind human beings I can't stand, no matter what color he/she is. I can't imagine a football field, because I've met people of all races who've been less than desirable. I read somewhere that mother nature makes us attracted to our opposites or to gene codes which are different from ours for survival reasons, but I think experience makes us go generally for what is familiar... I can't really say though I am standing in attention just because I notice brown skin on a submissive profile... I first read the content, than decide yeah or nah. quote: Mons LOl you so right we are some of the biggest freaks, and i do not like that word but lol it is true that so many wil look down on us in our community for being who we are! I disagree! In my conversations and experience, African Americans/Blacks are generally more conservative sexually... I regret I am replying to a stereotype though. M

MsMacComb -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 3:13:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess *Shameful thing I notice though is that African Americans are at the bottom of the list as far as preferences go for most folk in the bdsm scene. Wonder why that is.* I think if you see my reply to "mons" it will explain a bit. Something I wanted to mention earlier is that which no matter how its stated sounds like a stereotype. But if its true than why is that bad? Many African Americans have "booties" that won't quit for days,,, or years. For some with a spanking fetish this is like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I'm one that loves well defined muscle. Well defined muscle is more visible and pronounced when its set off by a dark background or base (the reason bobybuilders get tanned so dark, helps with shadows which hi-lite the muscle definition). But if I were to approach a gorgeous dark skinned lady at a munch, a private party or so forth (and knowing she was submissive) got to know her a bit and when the time was right stated I wanted to spank and cane her bottom, I would feel like I was objectifying her based on her body shape which in part is maybe due to her race. I couldnt do that to her and myself. Slightly off topic is that I cuckold my husband. For any that may not know a HUGE element of this with so many guys is the "white lady with black guy" theme as its depicted on so many websites and stories that black men are better endowed. Now from what I can tell this seems to be mostly middle aged white guys (who may or may not have latent homosexual tendencies) that obsessively go on and on about BBD (their abbreviated term, not mine =Big Black Dick). This also makes me very uncomfortable as it implies that all black males have large dicks and that all black males would love nothing more than the chance to jump into bed with a white woman. Essentially that all black men are well hung he-skanks. I have argued and debated this for years on other forums as I hate how it represents both black males as mentioned, white males as being underendowed, and white women as being secretly in love with black men and being obsessed with penis size. Basically its all a bunch of bull that is demeaning to everyone, both genders and races. Anyhow, enough of my somewhat off topic babbling. [:)]

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 3:21:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess *As far as African Americans go...we're some of the biggest freaks out there (by freak I mean sexually free).* *Your stereotypical quote I attributed to mons...* *I wholeheartedly disagree.* quote: How else do you explain the fact that next to Hispanics we have the next highest birthrate! *LOL. It's a joke folks...relax.* This statement I believe is false for middle-upper income blacks. Among the folks in lower socioeconomic status where it is true, I think it's called coming from poor homes where parents either work 2 jobs to make ends meet or are on crack and can't teach birth control/responsible sexual expression to the kids, but I could be wrong, or just joking. quote: Shameful thing I notice though is that African Americans are at the bottom of the list as far as preferences go for most folk in the bdsm scene. Wonder why that is. Folks in the Scene are just folks... They aren't special or more loving of different folks just because they like some pain with their pleasure. On the flip side of the coin, I disagree that Blacks are not desired in the scene. At least 40% of the white men who approach me, want a big black cock much more than I do, LMAO. A slightly phucked twist of fate. [sm=rolleyes.gif] M

meatcleaver -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 3:30:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess *Shameful thing I notice though is that African Americans are at the bottom of the list as far as preferences go for most folk in the bdsm scene. Wonder why that is.* I've said this before in another thread, we are all socialised and brought up in an inherently racist society. To think we can escape the constant messages we receive from childhood is rather arrogant and taking the poisition of an ostrich. My guess is colour is far more important than many people like to admit, whether it is because they find someone of another race exotic or a turn off. However, males being males, females are females in their eyes and most racism would be directed against males of another race. I don't mean overt racism but subtle subliminal racism. One can't correct ones behaviour if one thinks ones behaviour doesn't need correcting.

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 3:33:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver we are all socialised and brought up in an inherently racist society. To think we can escape the constant messages we receive from childhood is rather arrogant and taking the poisition of an ostrich. My guess is colour is far more important than many people like to admit, whether it is because they find someone of another race exotic or a turn off. However, males being males, females are females in their eyes and most racism would be directed against males of another race. I don't mean overt racism but subtle subliminal racism. One can't correct ones behaviour if one thinks ones behaviour doesn't need correcting I'm developing a crush on Meatcleaver for being so phucking honest and smart. [sm=flowers.gif] M

MHOO314 -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 3:52:05 AM)
It matters not to Me. When I look, I look with a blindfold--I listen for the traits and values. I listen for the clues that will scratch them off the list or that will see them to the next round--for it is these things that must mesh in My home, color, ethnicity mean nothing more than the vase the goods were shipped in.

MHOO314 -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 4:39:15 AM)
Well I have a crush on IB, < smiles>, ok a deep deep deep kinship--and Lady? OMG, she is awesome. ok ok its out, NO I am not a sub in disguise, but I can tell you if I get to his part of the world, we are going to drink till some dawn and I will wake when the sun deems I am ready.

lilithfyre -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 1:20:07 PM)
smiles icy cold blue eyes, 6'1" athletic build thats my Master i love his eyes unless i'm in trouble then he does not have to say a word when i see them, hence the iciness... be well lilith, Owned by Master Ramius

OnyxGoddess -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 2:33:25 PM)
Um...ok....regardless of socio economic class...as a WHOLE next to Hispanics African Americans DO have a high birth rate. Who cares what the reason is...look up the census. Secondly...I didn't read MONS post about African Americans being freaks. All you need to do is LISTEN to the music. R&B/RAP/HIP HOP/REGGAE - I've never seen this much music regarding sex in other genres. And who predominantly listens to this music...hate to tell you AFRICAN AMERICANS. And what do these songs tell you....a million and one ways to fuck and suck. So um...not a stereotype an OBSERVATION and OPINION. Regardless of folk being folk....truth is truth. Oh and MsMac-I agree with you about the cuckold situation (white guy, white woman, black stud) is demeaning to all. I looked for a million and one sites with black women cuckolding and couldn't find many at all. And MeatCleaver....I think my mom fucked up. She taught us People were people regardless of color. I didnt observe anything to do with color until I went to college when I was called a black bitch. Up until that point everyone was a person short fat tall or skinny.

mathiasdomm -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 2:40:51 PM)
I've never met a woman that I didn't find something attractive about. If I had a football field full of women to choose from, I'd either take them all, or at least one of each. I'm also an eye guy. There's a look that does it. Rapture's portfolio picture is a study in that look. Like 70% of it is in the eyes. My ideal harem: Of course I'd have to have an Irish girl. When I'm forced to pick a favorite, it's a red head. I'd get a Creole girl (God, I love living on the gulf coast). An Asian A black girl A pale blond (mostly for company, but they'd be great on those days when I feel like a giart chum eating shark of a capitalist) A fake tanned bottled blond with the cowboy hat and mirrored sunshades a New Orleans brunette (for those of ya'll that don't know... They've got this gorgeous, thick, dark brown hair, the deepest brown eyes, they're pale, square jawed, have that almost New Jersey accent, and attitudes like nobody's business. Total bitches, but so much fun to spank). a middle eastern girl Of course, they'd all have great legs, gorgeous eyes, and be totally submissive. And I'm real glad that I'm not the only one around here who's in to Chaucer's Mead. That is the best stuff on the planet. I haven't found a time yet when it's inappropriate or unpleasant. Mead is the straight up best. Wow. Ten women and a case of mead. I'd die happy. -m -m

truesub4u -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 2:40:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble Doesn't matter a whit to me. You cut someone open, they bleed red. Attitude is everything. Celeste isn't it amazing ... attitude can change the color of blood?

genvieve -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 2:45:04 PM)
~chuckles~ Let's just say...that you put someone...anyone in front of me who i click with... and i will find something about them that turns me on... And sometimes, that something...can be their color.

ClassAct2006 -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 2:48:51 PM)
I love men with blonde hair. Red is fine too. In fact hair is a bit of a bonus sometimes, so rarely found in men in their 50s..... Always troubled me that it might be thought racist (which I'm not), that preference which goes back to when I was very young . Anyway, there it is.

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 3:44:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess Um...ok....regardless of socio economic class...as a WHOLE next to Hispanics African Americans DO have a high birth rate. Who cares what the reason is...look up the census. about African Americans being freaks. All you need to do is LISTEN to the music. R&B/RAP/HIP HOP/REGGAE - I've never seen this much music regarding sex in other genres. And who predominantly listens to this music...hate to tell you AFRICAN AMERICANS. And what do these songs tell you....a million and one ways to fuck and suck. So um...not a stereotype an OBSERVATION and OPINION. Regardless of folk being folk....truth is truth. This is why truth is such a flexible thing, because your truth is not mine. Here's some information for you to add to or expand on while you are perpetuating stereotypes.http://poplicks.com/2005/06/who-buys-hip-hop.html quote: "fact" that "70% of hip-hop consumers are white." quote: 2) It's "proof" that if hip-hop has gone to hell in a handbasket, it's not because the Black youth community has decided to embrace sex, drugs, violence and general nihilism, it's because that's what voyeuristic white kids want and since white kids are the main consumer demographic, record labels push their albums to fill that consumer desire. this argument has been used to explain why conscious rap is dead, dead, dead and why pimps, players and hustlers have become the new norm Most black parents who take the time to raise their unmentionables, usually take those unmentionables to church, and teach them about love and commitment to family, and above all respecting and loving your mother. Not what you witness in Rap music at all. It is widely known that you do not call a a black woman a bitch, and you don't ever call any black person's momma out of her name, because you will catch a beat down. So your proposing that your statement is a representation of black talk, love (or lack thereof), and black feeling is utter crap. As you noted in one of your posts quote: Shameful thing I notice though is that African Americans are at the bottom of the list as far as preferences go for most folk in the bdsm scene. Wonder why that is It's not unusual some psychologists have said to learn to hate oneself after being taught you suck all your life, and some African americans do a pretty good job of hating the man/woman in the mirror without help from the outside (which incidentally is almost never lacking). M

meatcleaver -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 4:25:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess *And MeatCleaver....I think my mom fucked up. She taught us People were people regardless of color.* Which is how it should be but unfortunately that is not how it generally is. Race is still a hot issue in many parts of society, wish that it wasn't but the race issue won't be put to bed unless it is dealt with and that means educating our children to treat people without reference to colour.

nikaa -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 5:12:57 PM)
Ah but to educate children you must first educate their parents. Racism is not inherited and children naturally are not rascists. It is learned, typically from parents or gaurdians. Nika{Phoenix}

NeedToUseYou -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 7:43:45 PM)
To me it's not about the color really, but alot of the attributes I like seem to be more/less prevalent in different groups. As an example the whole gangsta rap thing, I just don't get at all, and the group that plays into that the most is black people, to a lesser degree whites. It has nothing to do with anything other than the dress in the "scene" the general attitude, and language displayed is not attractive to me. Listening to it is one thing but applying it to everything in your life is another. So, the color doesn't matter, but it's how the person acts that is important. Acting in the Hip-Hop/ Rap ghetto style will simply repulse me right from the beginning. And, hot, is hot, is hot, no matter what color the woman is, but acting a way I find unattractive is killer for me, no matter how attractive. The hard core Goth thing is another "lifestyler" that doesn't meld with me. Unfortunately, most of the black people around here are into the hip/hop scene 24/7, so I doubt I would ever run into a available black woman that would be compatible. So, I'm left predominantly with whites, and to a much lesser degree asians. So, yeah, it's about attitudes, behaviours, etc... but it's avoiding the obvious if one doesn't concede some lifestyles are more prevelant among different races. Hmmmmm, waiting for the flames. arggghhhhhh.

Chiana -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 7:51:39 PM)
oh come on, You don't honestly expect anyone to actually admit in a public forum that they are prejudiced bigoted assholes? so sue me if i'm wrong.. some people are just that stupid.. haven't finished reading the thread

Najakcharmer -> RE: sub/slave's colour, race and/or ethnisticity?? (4/30/2006 7:58:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou it's avoiding the obvious if one doesn't concede some lifestyles are more prevelant among different races. I think the word you want is "culture" rather than "race". Take somebody with Chinese genetics, bring them up in rural Inuit society, and they will be eating seal blubber and listening to throat-singing. Take somebody with Inuit genetics and bring them up in whitebread America, and they'll be eating Big Macs and listening to rock and roll. Race does not influrnce lifestyle. Culture does. Culture and race are often, but not always, co-existent. The heritable traits of a race may visually reinforce the boundaries of a specific cultural group, in addition to there being the obvious generational transmission of cultural elements such as ideals, values, underlying assumptions and preferences, food and cooking habits, religious beliefs, etc. This is nurture, not nature.

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