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Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 12:23:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand people in your Midwest have a repuation for being socially backward and somewhat unworldly. After having had discussions with a few people near Broken Arrow, I can't help shake this feeling of agreement, though I'm sure they're not all a bunch of yokels.

Have you noticed any truth in this?

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 12:49:51 PM   
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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 12:57:10 PM   
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Here in the States, Jaybee, we tend to paint people from certain areas with a very wide brush.
New Yorkers- rude and brash
New Englanders-  sarcastic, stuck up
Southerners- rednecks or super hospitable.

I don't find any of the stereotypes to be very universal at all.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 1:27:18 PM   
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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 1:47:39 PM   
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Me neither.

Here in the States, Jaybee, we tend to paint people from certain areas with a very wide brush.
New Yorkers- rude and brash
New Englanders-  sarcastic, stuck up
Southerners- rednecks or super hospitable.

I don't find any of the stereotypes to be very universal at all.


I knew about the Southerners/NYC'ers (and having been to both on several occasions, I actually agree in the main), but had no idea about people from New England.

NYC is just London with a Brooklyn squwak, so the attitude didn't faze me in the slightest. :)

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 1:52:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, I find East Coast types to frequently be provincial.  Especially NYC and Washington tend to forget that other parts of the country exist. 

Midwesterners have an attitude of independence that I like.  And they of course are aware of other parts of the country and ways of thinking.

New Englanders drove me crazy with their passive stoicism when I lived there.  I prefer the frontier mentality of energetic optimism.

A book that I liked is The Nine Nations of North America.


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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 1:55:15 PM   
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Different environments require different skillsets, and different outlooks. The smug city dwellers get a louder voice, but they are not the sole repository of who we are as a people.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 1:56:08 PM   
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Actually, I find East Coast types to frequently be provincial.  Especially NYC and Washington tend to forget that other parts of the country exist. 

Midwesterners have an attitude of independence that I like.  And they of course are aware of other parts of the country and ways of thinking.

New Englanders drove me crazy with their passive stoicism when I lived there.  I prefer the frontier mentality of energetic optimism.

A book that I liked is The Nine Nations of North America.



Odd title, considering North America has 23 nations!

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 1:58:51 PM   
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California and especially LA I found very self-centered to a large degree, though some lovely people out there as well...

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 2:00:48 PM   
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Odd title, considering North America has 23 nations!


Three: Mexico, Canada, and the USA.  That excludes South America and Central America.


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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 2:03:27 PM   
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Odd title, considering North America has 23 nations!


Three: Mexico, Canada, and the USA.  That excludes South America and Central America.




Ahhh, well I suppose it's a question of how you define "North" America. In any case, either tally makes the title all the more intriguing.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 2:10:25 PM   
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I like New York and the New Yorkers, depending where you go and who you mix with, most of them actually take care not to sound too New Yawk...



Same here. Despite their reputation for sullenness I find my British accent gets me a lot of interesing convo in bars (yes, from BOTH genders!!). I feel very very much at home in NYC. Never was sure why, it just FEELS like home.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 2:12:46 PM   
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I understand people in your Midwest have a repuation for being socially backward and somewhat unworldly. After having had discussions with a few people near Broken Arrow, I can't help shake this feeling of agreement, though I'm sure they're not all a bunch of yokels.

Have you noticed any truth in this?


Yes and no.  It is kind of like learning to understand an accent.  After moving to Kansas, I noticed that many people talked slowly.  It drove me crazy until I figured out that it was just a regional thing.  Actually it can still drive me batty. 

I think that you are listening to tone and speech patterns instead of what is actually being said.   

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 2:12:49 PM   
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Actually, I find East Coast types to frequently be provincial.  Especially NYC and Washington tend to forget that other parts of the country exist. 

Midwesterners have an attitude of independence that I like.  And they of course are aware of other parts of the country and ways of thinking.

New Englanders drove me crazy with their passive stoicism when I lived there.  I prefer the frontier mentality of energetic optimism.

A book that I liked is The Nine Nations of North America.



I agree with Steven.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 2:21:12 PM   
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I get along fine with that crowd-  tho I discount much of the glitz.

I grew up in Chicago-  so that is midwest--  the matter of fact manner is interesting.   

Central PA alot rides on what you DONT say-   it is less direct-  but beautiful in its own way.  I was surprised at how many comments you just do not make here.... as it can come back to bite you big time-- even 20 years later.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 2:33:17 PM   
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Ahhh, well I suppose it's a question of how you define "North" America. In any case, either tally makes the title all the more intriguing.


It would be the northern continent of the Americas, situated in the Earth's northern hemisphere and in the western hemisphere. It is bordered on the north by the Arctic Ocean, on the east by the North Atlantic Ocean, on the southeast by the Caribbean Sea and on the west by the North Pacific Ocean; South America lies to the southeast.

The author of the book rejects the artifical national and state boundries. 

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 2:38:20 PM   
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Central PA alot rides on what you DONT say-   it is less direct-  but beautiful in its own way.  I was surprised at how many comments you just do not make here.... as it can come back to bite you big time-- even 20 years later.


You can't just leave something so intriguing hanging in the air like that, details my man!!!

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 2:47:01 PM   
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Ahhh, well I suppose it's a question of how you define "North" America. In any case, either tally makes the title all the more intriguing.


It would be the northern continent of the Americas, situated in the Earth's northern hemisphere and in the western hemisphere. It is bordered on the north by the Arctic Ocean, on the east by the North Atlantic Ocean, on the southeast by the Caribbean Sea and on the west by the North Pacific Ocean; South America lies to the southeast.

The author of the book rejects the artifical national and state boundries. 


Interesting. Wiki defines it as 23, but I think we agree the definition is all too open to blurring. "Continental North America" would be a cleaner, though longer title, although then some smart arse living in the Florida Keys could then dispute his own residence...

The sort of things I'm talking about...Is Australia a continent? Is Charlize Theron an African-American? Is a tomato a vegetable?

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 2:49:13 PM   
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Central PA alot rides on what you DONT say-   it is less direct-  but beautiful in its own way.  I was surprised at how many comments you just do not make here.... as it can come back to bite you big time-- even 20 years later.


You can't just leave something so intriguing hanging in the air like that, details my man!!!


Well I never know if I am talking to someones cousin- and be careful what is over heard in a restaurant.    People have large families intermarried - so there is alot of relation.  Frank comments, observations, advice, can be seen as a personal attack- and can start a feud.  Even if it is subtle.

I once said- about a co-worker if she is a sales manager- she should act like one.  That set off fireworks...     in Chicago- that comment would have been blown off-  "yeah whatever"  type mode-  but my comment was a total insult to her professionally and somehow translated into her personally insulted.

Innocuous sounding comments- overheard-  can set off hard feelings- and stir the pot.

As a result there are code words--   something like-   do you know so and so-  "Yeah- I know him" is much different then- "yes- I know him- he is a nice guy".

....something like that.   I grew up out of the area- so I did not go to high school here- and because of that will always be an "outsider".    But even in the circles- they go back to who settled the area first- 6 generations back and who married who... argh!



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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/12/2010 3:26:30 PM   
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Interesting. Wiki defines it as 23, but I think we agree the definition is all too open to blurring. "Continental North America" would be a cleaner, though longer title, although then some smart arse living in the Florida Keys could then dispute his own residence...

The sort of things I'm talking about...Is Australia a continent? Is Charlize Theron an African-American? Is a tomato a vegetable?


North America IS a continent.  The other continents are:  Asia, Africa, South America, Antarctica, Europe, and Australia.

By using quotes around "North" you are actually changing the referent.  The authors title is correct geologically speaking. 

So yes, Australia is a continent.

Yes, Charlize Theron, is an African American.  She was born in South Africa and became a naturalized citizen of the USA in 2007.

A tomato is botanically classed as a fruit.  It is an ovary, essentially.  Culinary speaking (except in the case of canning) it is treated as a vegetable.  The same as eggplants, squash, and cucumbers. 

For tariff purposes the SCOTUS classified tomatoes as a vegetable because of it's use in cooking.  It did not rule on its botanical classification. 


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