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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/14/2010 2:22:24 PM   
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Or lets see if he learns more about it than he reads on mises.org and achieves a better understanding of their role.


Are you suggesting that you have a better understanding of the Fed's role than Dr. Paul does?



Yes.


What do you believe you understand about the Fed's role that Dr. Paul does not?

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/14/2010 2:23:43 PM   
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Or lets see if he learns more about it than he reads on mises.org and achieves a better understanding of their role.


Are you suggesting that you have a better understanding of the Fed's role than Dr. Paul does?



Yes.


What do you believe you understand about the Fed's role that Dr. Paul does not?



Because its a large portion of my day to day work, and my "understanding" is not colored by anarcho-capitalist dogma, as his is.

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/14/2010 2:24:40 PM   
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I've got to go with wilbeur on this one.

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/14/2010 6:17:52 PM   
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Because its a large portion of my day to day work, and my "understanding" is not colored by anarcho-capitalist dogma, as his is.


By all means, continue.

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/14/2010 6:19:01 PM   
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I've got to go with wilbeur on this one.


I'll withhold my opinion until I know more.

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/14/2010 6:29:18 PM   
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Kink-  dont mind the detractors- they have no clue about monetary policy- NONE.

Fiat paper is as good as gold...   keynes-ians.

The currency is back by the full faith and credit of the US govt... it is an instrument of debt- and not actual asset.

So- bubble gun and bimbo blondes for the detractors.

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/14/2010 6:35:34 PM   
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Hey Need,   I don't think he wants to be president. I do think he will run tho so as to sway the debate- the agenda.

He is more interested in his ideas taking hold then some sort of title.

Even if he ended it all today- his legacy is top rate.    A historical figure.   His voting record backs up his talk.



I don't expect him to win. I expect him to do much better. If he wins he wins. 2012 is nothing but a setup for 2014, and 2014 a setup for 2016 after all. One does not turn a ship on a dime.

The presidential elections get a lot of attention, and a stronger showing, will only encourage a shift in the right direction.



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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/14/2010 6:43:12 PM   
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Hey Need,   I don't think he wants to be president. I do think he will run tho so as to sway the debate- the agenda.

He is more interested in his ideas taking hold then some sort of title.

Even if he ended it all today- his legacy is top rate.    A historical figure.   His voting record backs up his talk.



I don't expect him to win. I expect him to do much better. If he wins he wins. 2012 is nothing but a setup for 2014, and 2014 a setup for 2016 after all. One does not turn a ship on a dime.

The presidential elections get a lot of attention, and a stronger showing, will only encourage a shift in the right direction.




The debates have been so asinine in the past few cycles.   I would like to ask the questions.  I am sure I can do better then the "experts".   !!

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/14/2010 8:06:54 PM   
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Kink- dont mind the detractors- they have no clue about monetary policy- NONE.


Whether they do or don't, Willbe has a right to be heard.

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/14/2010 11:08:56 PM   
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I don't mean to speak for willbeur, but based on his comments so far it seems that his claim to know more than Ron Paul about economics is based on the fact that willbeur recognizes the von Mises ideology for the tree hut economics that it is, whereas Ron Paul actually believes in it. On this point, most anyone with decent basic economics education or awareness would side with willbeur in the matter.


However ...

We never hear of that little subcommittee with "monetary policy" in its title, which may have something to do with the Fed's charter that congress not interfere with policy directly, but congress can  only change the mandate if they choose, which is currently the dual mandate concerning employment and inflation. 

A regulatory and oversight role might be interesting, if that's what this entails, but if Paul wants actual policy change he'll have to get something through congress that effectively re-writes the existing congressional mandates.


This could be fun.




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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/15/2010 6:13:50 AM   
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This could be fun.


This will be theater.

Elect people based on bullshit, expect bullshit.

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/15/2010 6:15:00 AM   
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I've got to go with wilbeur on this one.

That's something you don't hear very often...

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/15/2010 6:50:13 AM   
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This could be fun.


This will be theater.

Elect people based on bullshit, expect bullshit.



Oh?  Like the past 10 years?

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/15/2010 6:53:21 AM   
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no, nobody missed them, they were not in any wise a mandate or an alarming thing.  the bluedogs tossed after their round and all these clowns will be tossed after theirs.

Why, did you think something big happened?

The house changed hands on a grand total of 250,000 votes nationally. That's hardly a mandate. Almost all politicians claim to have a mandate while almost none of them do.

Furthermore...election results do not alter the policy issues for the voters, it just changes the membership of who would or would not implement them.

Oh and Ron Paul is good show but will never succeed in his goals vis-a-vis the fed or against most of the entrenched power in congress. His economic views whether Austrian (?) or not are absolutely crazy and reflect a desire for Laissez Faire capitalism the major guiding principal of which is that all products and services are good and safe enough...until enough people die to discover...they aren't so safe.

That's the shear 'beauty' of the great and glorious marketplace that suits ideologues until they bitch about not enough govt. assistance for the profiteers or the lack of incentive in get this...the tax code. A reflection of the great libertarian economic hypocrisy of all time.



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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/15/2010 7:30:45 AM   
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Off topic, but Treasure, you could have chosen a better title.  I read it as him "taking a leak".

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/15/2010 4:11:01 PM   
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I've got to go with wilbeur on this one.

That's something you don't hear very often...


Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Juuuuust kidding, Willbe. Are you coming back to enlighten us about your day-to-day work, which gives you more insight into the role of the Federal Reserve than Dr. Paul possesses?

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/15/2010 5:41:59 PM   
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Oh? Like the past 10 years?


Yup.

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/15/2010 5:52:28 PM   
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I'm not saying that I don't care what people think but ..........

Dr. Paul should do well in that post. He might not know every last thing about the monetary policy, but he has some horse sense.

First of all even if he wanted to abolish the fed, he can't. I'll have to take a look at exactly what power is vested in that position, but it seems to me that some horse sense would be a good thing. The fact is we are getting close to the point where we will not be able to pay the interest, which is default almost the same as just defaulting completely. When faith and credit are gone, what backs our currency ?

For one thing Paul would most likely be more fiduciarily reponsible. He can't completely fix this mess, but whatever power he has will no doubt be used to at least not make the situation worse. The argument about auditing the fed is moot. It would cost more than it's worth, and I don't mean just in dollars. The faith and credit of this government is already wearing thin, we don't need any more proverbial nails in the coffin. Once that "faith and credt" is gone what is to back the almighty buck ?

It is also likely that he was chosen for that position to put him in the hot seat if TSHTF soon. They have to have some idea of all the money spent that we simply don't have. In a big crash would he be best to manage the fall ? Remains to be seen, but I have more confidence in Paul than any of the other possibilities.

The fact is the debt had started building up before we were born, our Parents left it for us to pay. We don't have the money. If the whole thing doesn't come tumbling down, we will leave the debt for future generation(s) to pay, or upon which to default. One scenario is bad and the other worse. Which is which, nobody knows. The only other option is to put the brakes on now and hard. This would cause hardship, but I think less severe. The problem here is no matter how responsibly he uses that power, he does not have any more control over the federal budget than any other congressman. If the rest spends money that he refuses to allow the fed to float, it's a default anyway. I'm not even sure he could do that anyway.

So exactly what does that post entail ?

If I were in a position of power, I'm not sure what I would do. Anything or nothing would be bad, but it is already set, it's just a matter of managing the fall somehow. The time for Paul to have that post was fifty years ago, when things actually could be fixed with alot less sacrifice. And Hunky's people are right, when the coffers run dry, they will come for our retirement rather than their own. All of this costs us. Their idea is to put money in their pockets, not to take it out. When it comes to most congressmen and senators, it's been proven that you can't even trust them with a checkbook. (house banking scandal, about the overdrafts a decade or two ago) And these people we trust with our money ? If Ron Paul can somehow take anything away from these gluttons and molochs, more power to him. This shit has to stop. What is the budget for 2011 ? Trillion bucks give or take ? Guess who gives and guess who takes.

I will be very interested in seeing what happens next. I like to think that I can predict certain things, and I have. But this one is a bitch. I am not sure what he can do, and even is I knew exactly what he can do and asked me what he should do, I would have to think on it. It's a rough ride no matter what.

I don't know if I would want Dr. Paul as President. The problem here is that I am sure that I don't want certain others. Like Obama, Bush, Clinton, the other Bush (and I used to like him), Reagan, or for that matter JFK, Wilson or your beloved FDR. Even Lincon and Washington were not the fucking towers of virtue some people think.

But Ron Paul should probably be right where he is [going]. You may assert that you know more than he, and not being inside your mind I have no idea if that's true or not. However I doubt any of the correspondents on this forum are in contention for the job. So even if you know more, who would be better, FROM THE POSSIBLE CANDIDATES for the position ?

That particular item stickies up the wicket a bit wouldn't you say ?

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/15/2010 10:44:55 PM   
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I've got to go with wilbeur on this one.

That's something you don't hear very often...


Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Juuuuust kidding, Willbe. Are you coming back to enlighten us about your day-to-day work, which gives you more insight into the role of the Federal Reserve than Dr. Paul possesses?


Most people here know, but you are pretty new. Im a partner in a company that does Monte Carlo economic forecasting and its likely impact on the client company's sales, inventories, labor costs etc.

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RE: Ron Paul Taking a Lead... - 12/15/2010 11:43:26 PM   
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Dated < Dec. 6th, Ron Paul wrote that he was against raising the debt cieling. As a mere congressman of course he cannot stop it, but now can he refuse it somehow ?

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