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RE: Do things happen or do we make them? - 12/15/2010 5:32:52 PM

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Wow.
An excellent example of what I'm asking.

A troll comes in and says absolute nonsense, and instead of ignoring it and allowing the flow of the actual topic, it becomes all about him and what he knows and what he doesn't know and qualifications and stuff.

Does he have to ruin every single thread he's in?
No, he doesn't. He is only able to create chaos because others think the chaos is worth creating.

What a nice thread this could have been. At least we have an example of bringing ugliness to our lives. And with that, I'm going to take my wisdom and leave the thread rather than stick around for a pissing contest.

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RE: Do things happen or do we make them? - 12/15/2010 5:38:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Jaybeee, not to bust your bubble, but you are hanging out in clubs where you can slap women and they are so downtrodden by the economy that they have to cut security staff and so you get away with it, you think a glass of Shiraz is a treat for a woman she should be grateful for, from the description of the parking situation outside your house, it screams suburbia, you are permanently obsessing about women not working and living off husbands, or the divorce settlements they get. By all means, that doesn't sound like a successful high flyer to me.

You sure you live in London and not Slough?

Edited for the common sense of my friend. You are right Sunshine...

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RE: Do things happen or do we make them? - 12/15/2010 6:00:58 PM

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Ok, back to the thread.
Now, with things I can change, I'm a type A driver all the way, with rabies, on speed. I'm an action oriented, seize life by the balls, make things happen in my life, create the world that you live in, sort of guy.
Buuuuuuuut, there's a whole lot I really don't have control over. Those things I kinda try to find a wave and surf.

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RE: Do things happen or do we make them? - 12/15/2010 6:22:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

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Sometimes, when you quit looking so damn hard for something..............................it finds you.

Do you think this is true?

I for one think that nothing changes unless something changes. And I think there is a balance - live your life with passion and don't be desperate for X (whatever X is). You will draw toward you what you want, but you must be wise enough to see it when it is in front of you and brave enough to leap! Welcome to my own private Taoism...

What do you all think?

I think that it is true, but I would rather not accidentally have lost 70 euro's and some notes yesterday...

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RE: Do things happen or do we make them? - 12/15/2010 6:28:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

What a nice thread this could have been.

"Could have been"??? Peeshaw!

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Sometimes, when you quit looking so damn hard for something..............................it finds you.

Do you think this is true?

Well, being the control freak that I am, I like to think I can make ANYTHING happen. If I want it...I get it. That sort of thing usually works.....in the movies.

I'm learning that sometimes I can control things and sometimes I can't.

It sucks realizing I'm not omnipotent, but instead just human like everyone else.

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RE: Do things happen or do we make them? - 12/15/2010 6:32:42 PM

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I believe in Karma but in an odd way, not as karma being some sort of godly thing, but that we create our own karma, by being negative I give off negative vibes, they will attract more negativity (birds of a feather and all that) and the other way round, positive outlook and can do attitude is half the battle, glass half full...

Shit happens, if it happens you deal with it, if you can't change it accept it, if somebody tries to mess with my life I will defend my life and the ones dear to me and I won't wear gloves, but I won't get out of my way to get "revenge" because that will impact my life and I waste my life on it, plus it will bring negativity. I always thought the very best revenge is living a nice life, how frustrating must it be for somebody if they try to piss you off and you don't let it phase you? All that wasted effort and they are angry about it, hey, might even give them an ulcer, tough shit, I don't wanna know...

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RE: Do things happen or do we make them? - 12/15/2010 10:18:40 PM

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I sum the whole equation of supply and demand into the following words:

Surely balance being the foundation from which all thoughts eventually manifest into this physical realm and do settle the whole account of supply and demand, is without a doubt the height and depth of supply and demand converging from the unseen thus manifesting as what is hoped for or rather believed for. Knowingly or not the universal impartial laws of the Universe work for whomsoever chooses to partake of their bounty or rather their endless infinite supply.

In the nutshell: Thoughts held in (mind) produce those of their kind.

Take good care of you!

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RE: Do things happen or do we make them? - 12/16/2010 12:21:00 AM

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This happens to me all the time. I lose things. My car keys, wallet, laptop, diary - I am pathologically disorganised. And, I have definitely discovered that if I stop flying around like a panicked grammar rule in one of Zevar's posts, sure enough that pesky key turns up.

Without descending into hopeless fortune-cookie platitudes (the presence of people so much more adept at fortune-cookie platitudes makes it embarrassing) I'll refer the jury to a phrase often used by my mother - "Jaysus! Sure I couldn't see it for looking"

- That'll be a but if Irish wisdom rather than Eastern Wisdom!

Which could be translated as :

"Let your eyes rest, and they will fall upon a thing of rare beauty, Grasshopper"

Or...

Oh verily, I find that in the all encompassing infinitude that thoughts that embrace the physical plane can be thought of as a shrew seeking a barley corn, for when she lets her whiskers stop twitching, the barley corn will surely appear" [pause][Nod sagely][Adopt chinpose]

On the topic of karma (which has been mentioned)...

If a the flapping of a butterfly's wings in a jungle in South America can cause a hurricane in Asia, then I believe that a smile in a queue in Minneapolis can prevent a war breaking out in Sofia Antipolis".

I've seen it in airports... A really friendly check-in person creates an infection of happiness - people walk away from her check-in counter smiling, they smile at other people, who in turn smile at other people....

So perhaps things like "Luck" or "Karma" are just like chaos.

I really do believe this shit too - I really do believe that all of our actions do change the world - in very chaotic and unpredictable ways. But, I try not to think about it too much because according to chaos (perhaps the whole point of chaos) is that that smile in Minneapolis could just as easily be the thing that triggered the thing, that triggered the thing that triggered war in Sofia Antipolis. [brain melts]

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RE: Do things happen or do we make them? - 12/16/2010 12:55:01 AM

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I have definitely discovered that if I stop flying around like a panicked grammar rule in one of Zevar's posts, sure enough that pesky key turns up.

The flying around part is usually a consequence of running late, at least in my experience. Car keys know when you are running late, and are a bit mean spirited by nature.

But yes, just taking a breath and relaxing a notch or two can help. When I calm down, my fist grip loosens just enough to where I can hear the keys jingle.

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RE: Do things happen or do we make them? - 12/16/2010 3:53:37 AM

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I think there's two aspects to this.

One is the fact that we're social creatures and social dynamics are complex and your success within them is almost entirely dependent upon your belief structures. Your head space. Desperation is unattractive. Anger and bitterness likewise. People who are recovering from a breakup often carry with them a sense of need - their happiness has been taken from them by their loss. And that sense of need is very visible to other people.

It's only when they start bringing joy back into their own lives without requiring someone else, that they return to the attractive individual they used to be.

The second is that our minds focus on what's immediately relevant to us. By shifting that focus, our minds automatically pick up on information we would have otherwise missed. Robbins described it as the Reticular Activation System (not to be confused with the Reticular Activating System). It's a conceptual idea, but as a metaphor which explains the focus of attention, it works for me.

We can make a lot happen. We're fundamentally social creatures and the first level of building your world starts with yourself. Determining your goals and working toward them. Defying what your mind sees as limitations.

Most people live in boxes. Mental prisons which constrict their horizon and limit their lives to far less than they could otherwise be. Breaking out of that prison is the first step toward making things happen. The second is influencing others - because in our societies, the quality of our lives is directly related to our ability to work with others to achieve our goals. Sometimes ethically - sometimes not. But acknowledging that reality is a necessity.

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