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gungadin09 -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/19/2010 4:38:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

This thread bothers me. It bothers me because so many of the posts seem to exemplify the kind of intolerance that they are supposedly taking a stand against.

But before i get roasted, let make this clear:
i think anyone has the right to decide that racism, or other thing at all, is a hard limit.
i think everyone has a right to decide what they can and can't live with in their lovers, friends, family, etc.
i think that everyone has the right to choose their lovers, friends, etc. based on whatever priorities are important to them.
EVERYONE HAS THESE RIGHTS. OF COURSE THEY DO.

Having said that, it disturbs me when i read comments like:
...that would not be a person i associate with
...i don't waste my time on such individuals
...racists can go fuck themselves
...if anyone i know is racist then that's absolutely disgusting
...i see racist people as uneducated, ignorant fucks
...i would have nothing to do with that person
...fuck racists
...i hate em, i hate em, i hate em

i've known racists. i've known people who were sexist. i've known people who discriminated against old people, against young people, against rich people, against poor people, against people who dressed differently, against people who were a different religion, against smart/dumb people, against fat/skinny people, against pretty/ugly people, against homosexuals, against people with AIDS, against homeless people, against crazy people, against alcoholics, against workoholics...

...of every prejudice known to man, i bet i've known at least on person who had that prejudice...

...and yet i've hardly ever met a single person who i thought had nothing to contribute to society; who i hated so much that i wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole; a person that i thought was disgusting, ignorant, and a waste of time; and who i wanted to tell to go fuck themselves, and then kick them out to the curb.

DO YOU REALLY FEEL THIS WAY?

Because i've never, not ever, met a single person and didn't know that, however much we disagreed, there was still more that we had in common. And that goes for everyone.

Look, i'm sorry to do this. And i understand that everyone has a right to how they feel. But for those of you who said that you just hate racists and you don't even talk to people like that- i will say this: i think you are doing yourselves a disservice. i think you owe it to yourselves to allow yourselves to discover that this person, every person, is more than just the very worst thing about them. i think you owe yourself that much, you owe them that much, even if you never become friends, lovers, or intimate acquaintences.

Peace.
pam



THIS IS YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION:

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I'm just wondering I mean think about if it's a sub ...(or)...your Dom or Domina what do you do?


You asked what we personally would do.  I would not be involved with someone like that.  Why?  Because there is enough hatred in the world that I don't need to bring it deliberately into my life. 

You also brought up a very emotional topic.  People have emotions around controversy.  Did you seriously think people wouldn't respond accordingly?



You're mistaken. i did not start this thread. The (second) quote is actually from SAMHAIN09.

pam




sunshinemiss -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/19/2010 6:29:41 AM)

Oh dang.  Well... scratch that... well some of it.  I still stand behind the spirit of what I wrote even if I got a couple particulars wrong... let's see if I can fis it a bit...

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We were asked what we personally would do.  I would not be involved with someone like that.  Why?  Because there is enough hatred in the world that I don't need to bring it deliberately into my life. 

Is is a very emotional topic.  People have emotions around controversy.  Did you seriously think people wouldn't respond accordingly?


How's that?




MissAsylum -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/19/2010 6:31:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue


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ORIGINAL: MissAsylum
I dated an African-American who was racist. I honestly had thought that he was just Afrocentric..."down with the struggle" and all that jazz. Until he met my father who is caucasian. The minute he called my dad "the Oppressor" and said that he probably just wanted my mother because she was "just some pretty little black girl that your 'father' thinks he owns", he was gone.

Ye gods. How staggeringly crass and insensitive of him.

As well as pretty dense; I mean, what did he think you were going to do when he started mouthing off about your family?

He sounds like the sort of people I normally refer to as "balanced personalities; a chip on each shoulder" [;)]


well, he called me brainwashed. I giggled and sent him on his merry little way.




RapierFugue -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/19/2010 12:47:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MissAsylum
well, he called me brainwashed. I giggled and sent him on his merry little way.

Brainwashed? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

Mind you neither do his other comments so I guess at least he's being consistent :)




Buzzzz -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/19/2010 12:56:15 PM)

I would just leave, plain and simple... If someone cannot respect another human being because of their color.....




gungadin09 -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/19/2010 1:37:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Oh dang.  Well... scratch that... well some of it.  I still stand behind the spirit of what I wrote even if I got a couple particulars wrong... let's see if I can fis it a bit...

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We were asked what we personally would do.  I would not be involved with someone like that.  Why?  Because there is enough hatred in the world that I don't need to bring it deliberately into my life. 

Is is a very emotional topic.  People have emotions around controversy.  Did you seriously think people wouldn't respond accordingly?


How's that?



Heeheehee.
Nice. Better. lol

pam




Aynne88 -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/19/2010 6:23:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Oh dang.  Well... scratch that... well some of it.  I still stand behind the spirit of what I wrote even if I got a couple particulars wrong... let's see if I can fis it a bit...

quote:

We were asked what we personally would do.  I would not be involved with someone like that.  Why?  Because there is enough hatred in the world that I don't need to bring it deliberately into my life. 

Is is a very emotional topic.  People have emotions around controversy.  Did you seriously think people wouldn't respond accordingly?


How's that?



Perfect. Accurate. Why on earth would I feel obligated to dig through the surface of a racist to find their sweet spots or good points? All set thanks.




lovingpet -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/19/2010 8:25:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

This thread bothers me. It bothers me because so many of the posts seem to exemplify the kind of intolerance that they are supposedly taking a stand against.


Not at all. 

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But before i get roasted, let make this clear:
i think anyone has the right to decide that racism, or other thing at all, is a hard limit.
i think everyone has a right to decide what they can and can't live with in their lovers, friends, family, etc.
i think that everyone has the right to choose their lovers, friends, etc. based on whatever priorities are important to them.
EVERYONE HAS THESE RIGHTS. OF COURSE THEY DO.


Those are called boundaries and preferences.  We all have them based on any number of different factors.

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Having said that, it disturbs me when i read comments like:
...that would not be a person i associate with
...i don't waste my time on such individuals
...racists can go fuck themselves
...if anyone i know is racist then that's absolutely disgusting
...i see racist people as uneducated, ignorant fucks
...i would have nothing to do with that person
...fuck racists
...i hate em, i hate em, i hate em


Those are vastly different responses some of which are acceptable and some of which are equally as venomous as the rhetoric of a racist.

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i've known racists. i've known people who were sexist. i've known people who discriminated against old people, against young people, against rich people, against poor people, against people who dressed differently, against people who were a different religion, against smart/dumb people, against fat/skinny people, against pretty/ugly people, against homosexuals, against people with AIDS, against homeless people, against crazy people, against alcoholics, against workoholics...

...of every prejudice known to man, i bet i've known at least on person who had that prejudice...


And of what you just listed few of those traits are ones that can be changed.  Once again, you've mixed some inappropriate biases with some perfectly understandable ones.  The measure being how much real control the person has over being how they are that is causing the negative response.  When you have a choice and you still persist in bad behavior and attitude, then one can expect valid negative sanctions.


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...and yet i've hardly ever met a single person who i thought had nothing to contribute to society; who i hated so much that i wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole; a person that i thought was disgusting, ignorant, and a waste of time; and who i wanted to tell to go fuck themselves, and then kick them out to the curb.


It's not about what they can contribute to society, but what they can contribute to MY life and if it is healthy to have them as a part of MY life.  It is the same decision I have to make about every person I meet.

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DO YOU REALLY FEEL THIS WAY?


No.  This is the way you are saying people feel.  That is your own perspective and has nothing to do with how I feel.

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Because i've never, not ever, met a single person and didn't know that, however much we disagreed, there was still more that we had in common. And that goes for everyone.


And no matter how much we have in common, there comes a point where I have to decide if it is healthy to have any given person in my life.  In the case of people with deeply racist beliefs, they are not people that will be functional in my world.  It is as much to their benefit as mine for me to walk away.

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Look, i'm sorry to do this. And i understand that everyone has a right to how they feel. But for those of you who said that you just hate racists and you don't even talk to people like that- i will say this: i think you are doing yourselves a disservice. i think you owe it to yourselves to allow yourselves to discover that this person, every person, is more than just the very worst thing about them. i think you owe yourself that much, you owe them that much, even if you never become friends, lovers, or intimate acquaintences.


I am doing both myself and them a disservice if I can't recognize very clear and deep incompatibility.  I can listen to most anything.  I can talk to most anyone and do my best to see their perspective.  It doesn't change who I am or who they are.  I still have to decide whether to allow them to take root or not.  I am careful about who gets to stay because I know that my most important relationships will come from those I allow to be close and involved in my life.  There are some influences I just do not want holding any sway over me.  Racism is one of them.

lovingpet









Capndependable -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/19/2010 8:48:08 PM)

Bottom line?

I will listen to anybody and their opinion of the world. I will not belittle them or attempt to change their opinion. (most certainly a hopeless cause).

I however, do not have to put up with it.

There are a lot of different people in the world. They all have the right to be what they want to be. But I am not going to hang around a dumbshit just because they have a right to be stupid.




sunshinemiss -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/19/2010 9:40:18 PM)

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But I am not going to hang around a dumbshit just because they have a right to be stupid.


There it is folks... quote of the day.  Excellent.




FredW -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/20/2010 8:48:04 PM)

I would treat it the same way I would in any other relationship. If you are not comfortable with racial/political/social/religious/etc views of the other, you get out. You have to be comfortable with the other person in the relationship. I don't see eye to eye with sub on some issues, but I can accept her views and see them as valid even though I don't necessarily agree. But if I felt her views were too extreme for me, I would have to look elsewhere.




osf -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/21/2010 3:51:18 PM)

why is this being discussed in public with strangers?




Renee7852 -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/21/2010 4:00:41 PM)

This is a very easy question for Me to answer.   I would not consider having a partner who was a racist.  I live w/ a very prejudiced "Archie Bunker" type father and I cannot tolerate his attitude, lack of caring, and intolerance towards other races, sexual preferences.  I love My father beyond belief but we have gotten into many arguments when he starts in on other minorities and those who are gay.  I find such behavior/comments/ and intolerances  ignorant and rude to say the least.  Could I respect a Dom w/ that attitude?  Absolutely not.  A sub?  Not for a second.  Sure, with a sub you can silence them but if that is the attitude and feelings within that person, it would not be someone I would care to be around.  I have too many friends of other races, ethnicities, and different sexual preferences than My own and I try to always be respectful of everyone, differences overlooked. 




Hillwilliam -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/21/2010 5:44:14 PM)

If I had a sub that I discovered was racist, I would host a 'high protocol' dinner and guess who I would invite, some nilla old friends that just happened to be black.

If that didn't cure her, then I'd have to host something more ummm intimate even though I dont share. ;-)




SorceressJ -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/21/2010 6:44:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

If I had a sub that I discovered was racist, I would host a 'high protocol' dinner and guess who I would invite, some nilla old friends that just happened to be black.

If that didn't cure her, then I'd have to host something more ummm intimate even though I dont share. ;-)



Totally awesome, Hilly. and *Big Kudos* to you for your colorblindness, a wonderful trait in any and all persons regardless of other designation.

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Hillwilliam -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/21/2010 7:24:26 PM)

SJ, I dont claim to be totally colorblind but I DO try to look past the outside and see if this is a PERSON I can work with.
I go in with an open mind and see what is under the malanin or lack of same.




PeonForHer -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/21/2010 8:00:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
Makes me laugh when people blame the loss of jobs on all the "uneducated foreigners coming here to work for next to nothing"


Odd how there's no in-between for such people.  Immigrants either want to come here to work too hard for too little money, or they want to come here to do nothing while living off benefits.  I've frequently heard both opinions from the same mouth in the same night.




DMFParadox -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/21/2010 10:59:41 PM)

Interesting discussion. For once I agree with the knee jerk response: racist people of any stripe upset me. I had a hard time watching the Shaq comedy special on the other day, because of the blatant racism the comedians were displaying.

That said, racism seems to be an easy ill to cure; since it's primarily a bonding emotion (us against them), taking it out of a group setting, and addressing the root needs that fuel it, can cause it to wither and die. If I'm with someone who I know is racist, I'll make my views known, and accept them for who they are. Since my views are grounded in extensive historic, genetic and social psychology knowledge, that usually means they stop being racist about an hour and a half after I start talking, if only to shut me up. I've done this. Piss me off enough and I'll start drawing diagrams and mentioning obscure research articles.

Had a talk with a kid who worked for me; he dumped his racist buddies the next day. True story. We still chat from time to time.




TheRaptorJesus -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/21/2010 11:07:38 PM)

I would do my best to enlighten them to the knowledge that all people are awful and rather than hate one race, they should hate everyone.

Problem solved.




LadyConstanze -> RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats racist? (12/22/2010 1:45:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Odd how there's no in-between for such people.  Immigrants either want to come here to work too hard for too little money, or they want to come here to do nothing while living off benefits.  I've frequently heard both opinions from the same mouth in the same night.


There is a lot of benefit seeking going on, but not just from foreigners, and to be honest, if things would be different and the UK would be a poor country and other countries would offer benefits, I wonder if the very same people who now complain wouldn't be "foreign benefit seekers" or cheap labour somewhere else. Instead of blaming people who are trying to carve a life out for themselves, blame a system that is open to abuse, because in the end people are people, they want to eat, live somewhere, be clothed, have access to medical help, etc....




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