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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/21/2010 6:54:00 PM   
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This is good news. It proves that conservative claims that the government of North Korea is bonkers is not true. When being baited by the only superpower in the world to use nuclear weapons against civilian targets, backing down is an eminently rational choice to make. 


Didn't the History Channel have a program about where the Japanese used the first one in China?   Just asking



That would be a possibility for the US edit, except for the little matter that it would imply the Japanese did fission before the US. And as we know, the US invented everything, so no-one would believe that. Unless there was a subplot involving soviet spies and wikileaks.



We certainly didn't invent everything, but we were the  first to cross that bridge, anyway. There's no serious question about that.

Ken, I see the History Channel running a program every now and then that's called something like "The Secret Of Japan's Nuclear Bomb" or something like that, but I've never watched it. I suppose that's probably the one you're thinking of. I'll have to make a point of watching it next time, just out of curiosity.

I know they were pretty serious about developing one during the war, though. They had several projects going independently. Their Navy pulled the plug on one halfway through the war because they determined that the technical obstacles were insurmountable, but I believe the Army was working on one of their own right up until the end of the war. If I recall correctly, their uranium enrichment facility was destroyed by an American air raid, which set them back quite a bit. They didn't have time to rebuild, so they asked Germany for some uranium, but if I recall correctly the submarine that was supposed to deliver it was sunk. That was pretty much the Japanese Army's last chance to build a weapon before the end of the war.

I know that they had at least one more program working on the Korean Peninsula that was supposedly pretty far along, but the Russians captured the facility before they could complete a weapon. Supposedly they were almost ready to test one in the last weeks of the war, but from what I understand, post-war examination of technical documents indicate that they really hadn't  gotten very far beyond the theoretical design phase, and were nowhere near building a functional warhead. Why in god's name they decided to build such a critical facility in occupied territory is a mystery to me, but if they'd had the foresight to do it on their own home islands, they might have had time to put one together before we beat them to the punch.

After the  war, of course, they never officially resumed their efforts, but that doesn't mean much. If they ever do decide they need nukes, they'd have them ready to use within a year at the most - and maybe a lot less than that. They have plenty of material, and some of the best nuclear physicists in the world. For that reason, I would almost argue that it's very much in the best interests of both North Korea and China that the United States continue to play beat cop on the Korean Peninsula. If we ever decide to wash our hands of the Koreas once and for all, I think Japan would almost certainly feel they had no choice but to go nuclear. Neither Beijing nor Pyongyang woudl enjoy the prospect of a Japan with several hundred thermonuclear weapons mounted on state-of-the-art intermediate-range ICBMs.

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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/21/2010 8:14:34 PM   
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Yea...now pay us the fuck back

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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/21/2010 9:00:37 PM   
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Now THAT'S a good and profitable game, isn't it, to expect those who have given or had ripped from them to bow down and be grateful and  "pay back," just what?

Pay back WHAT?


Just because it's it's been driven into our heads, thanks to British culture, that everything the West does is great as aspiration of such wonderful benefit to the world, good profit while we're at it,  not neccesserilly benefit  the world, and they then "owe" us for something.


The French and Brits and Americans blasted any sense of autochthanous progression in the world. Get used to it.


The former two display their ignorance of historical self-awareness, on a daily basis, by way of of focusing elsewhere.


Sorry for the beat-down, easy as it is, but following that particular aspect of far-western European view of the world hasn't been proven to be of value thusfar.




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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/22/2010 4:29:46 AM   
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Yea...now pay us the fuck back


Do some research, we paid you back already.

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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/22/2010 4:32:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Last week I had Wilbur spouting on about how D-Day would still have happened without British help. What a crock that was.


You have to be kidding. Did he advance any theories on where we would have launched the invasion from?



I think he planned to use Fantasy Island.

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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/22/2010 7:48:10 AM   
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At least for the planes, Boss.

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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/22/2010 4:47:37 PM   
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At least for the planes, Boss.


What about Pluto ?  Even the Krauts would have spotted a BP garage on Omaha Beach.

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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/22/2010 5:08:28 PM   
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Yea...now pay us the fuck back


Do some research, we paid you back already.


Screw that, Polite.  I have my eyes on a couple of British sub women that I might well demand as payment.


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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/22/2010 5:10:34 PM   
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Go for it Steven, the accent is so cool.

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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/23/2010 8:31:03 AM   
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Nope...WWII after 60 years...but you've never paid back WWI...damn almost a century...what a bunch of dead beats...lol. I'll settle for a few extra bucks if you want your pride back.

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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/23/2010 8:39:41 AM   
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No Pear Harbor = No Hiroshima.

You are the type that would pull a knife on someone and whine when they shot you.

If it wasnt for the US that you seem to hate so much, your capital would be in Berlin.



You might not be aware of it but the russians had the germans on the run before the u.s. was even in the war.

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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/23/2010 8:44:15 AM   
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If it wasnt for the US that you seem to hate so much, your capital would be in Berlin.


Seriously, do they teach you guys this crap in schools. Last week I had Wilbur spouting on about how D-Day would still have happened without British help. What a crock that was.

If it wasnt for the French, you would still be speaking English.


I live in TN. The 2 most lopsided defeats that British troops have ever experienced in the last 1000 years were Kings Mountain and New Orleans.
Both were when they messed with Tennesseeans.

The rest of the US night still be saying God Save the Queen but ....................



Ever hear of dunkirk?

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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/23/2010 9:11:08 AM   
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China and Russia have been supporting that rogue nation since the end of the Korean war. They are the only reason that North Korea exists today.


Guess who else has been supporting that rogue nation?

US Aid Programs to North Korea - US Assistance to North Korea

Since 1995, the U.S. has provided over $1 billion in foreign assistance to the
Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea (DPRK, also known as North Korea),
about 60% of which has taken the form of food aid, and about 40% in the form of
energy assistance channeled through the Korean Peninsula Energy Development
Organization (KEDO).


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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/23/2010 9:15:06 AM   
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China and Russia ain't going to put up with that shit.. China and Russia have been supporting that rogue nation since the end of the Korean war. They are the only reason that North Korea exists today.



What exactly is a "rogue nation"?

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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/23/2010 9:29:22 AM   
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Sort of like the two or three rogue guards at Abu Grahib except the entire nation.

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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/23/2010 9:35:21 AM   
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Sort of like the two or three rogue guards at Abu Grahib except the entire nation.


Since those guards were acting on orders from the top it would appear that by the above definition the u.s. is a "rogue nation"

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RE: North Korea backed down! - 12/24/2010 6:47:48 AM   
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Evidently, they need another "talking to".     http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE6BG05Y20101223

Not enough attention or cash incentives I guess...we are back to name calling and threats.  

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