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Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life time ... - 12/21/2010 5:58:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm just wondering what your thoughts are. I think that depending on what it is the person can be redeemed.
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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 6:09:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Depends upon  the deed, and upon the nature of the wickedness. Had Hitler saved a puppy from being run over by a tank, I doubt it would have balanced things out to any significant degree. But theoretically, the answer to your question would be "yes." 

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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 6:27:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some would say redemption is based soley on belief in God. I disagree because many truly evil people believe in God's existence. Everyone makes mistakes, but it's how one feels about those mistakes (genuine remorse) that's important. I seriously doubt there is any redemption for anyone without a conscience, good deed or not. Fortunately, most people do have a conscience and can redeem themselves through good deeds and, whenever possible, making amends with those they have wronged.

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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 6:29:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		If the good deed is to accept Christ, and mean it, then yes. I usually don't see our faith as a licence to sin, but I must concede, it is indeed also the one that is the most forgiving of sin.

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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 6:31:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		It depends on your beliefs. Christians say that just repenting is sufficient. Native Americans and Jews require that you make reparations to those who you harmed.

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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 6:34:45 PM   
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I'm just wondering what your thoughts are. I think that depending on what it is the person can be redeemed.


Redeemed by what or who?


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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 6:45:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		It all sounds like a free pass. You can have a chage of heart on your deathbed and are okay with the powers that be for anything for that act. I find it really meaningless in my opinion.

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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 7:01:45 PM   
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If the good deed is to accept Christ, and mean it, then yes. I usually don't see our faith as a licence to sin, but I must concede, it is indeed also the one that is the most forgiving of sin.


And at that point, it becomes a question of what redemption really means. I don't accept that definition  of redemption as having any real substance, and neither would most other non-christians.


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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 7:04:05 PM   
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If the good deed is to accept Christ, and mean it, then yes. I usually don't see our faith as a licence to sin, but I must concede, it is indeed also the one that is the most forgiving of sin.


A person can believe that Christ died on a cross without regretting any of their evil deeds. Christians are supposed to ask God for forgiveness. A request for forgiveness isn't genuine if the one asking feels no remorse.


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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 7:47:56 PM   
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FR, i.e., as intended to the original post (WHEN are the people that run this site going to get up to speed on modern forum software so that we don't have to spell that out on each and every occasion?).





Silly and obnoxiously stupid question.


Contra-Calvinism being even more stupid than Calvinism to begin with.


If you need an explanation for that, you would have no comprehension of any sensible answer to begin with.







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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 7:50:17 PM   
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If the good deed is to accept Christ, and mean it, then yes. I usually don't see our faith as a licence to sin, but I must concede, it is indeed also the one that is the most forgiving of sin.


A person can believe that Christ died on a cross without regretting any of their evil deeds. Christians are supposed to ask God for forgiveness. A request for forgiveness isn't genuine if the one asking feels no remorse.



I'd still reject that definition of redemption, as well. In my opinion, a simple "I wish I hadn't done all that shit" isn't sufficient to redeem someone. If you've spent a lifetime doing evil things, you need to actually do a fair number of non-evil things to balance them out.


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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 7:57:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Religion or not, I think the person's motivation is most important. If after committing sins, one decides to be good and is self motivated to that, that motivation is likely to stick with them. Thus redeemed, in a sense. It's all in how you take the word then.

Say you steal a million dollars and give some poor person you don't even know a hundred, or say a thousand, better yet how about a kidney. Did you do it to look good, or for some internal reason ? Is it measured in degree of difficulty or perhaps dollars ? I think not.

Does a philanthropist give money away for tax reason, or again, to look good ? Or is it a personal thing ? What about people with money who leave it to a charity for example. For one, it's done postumasely so they gain nothing in this life. Or do they ? Also the question emerges, why didn't they give a bunch of that money away when they were alive ? Not all of it of course.

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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 8:14:30 PM   
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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 8:15:43 PM   
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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 8:35:45 PM   
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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 9:27:39 PM   
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Redemption in who's eyes?



Your response is directed to my post, where the word "redemption" was never mentioned.


No wonder the world is headed where it is.





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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 10:35:47 PM   
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Redemption in who's eyes?



Your response is directed to my post, where the word "redemption" was never mentioned.


No wonder the world is headed where it is.







My response was directed to the OP and the subject line, idiot.

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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 10:39:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SAMHAIN09

I'm just wondering what your thoughts are. I think that depending on what it is the person can be redeemed.


One good deed? Like... guy kills twenty women, saves a little girl's life and then kills twenty more? Or an actual repentance and changing of one's life?


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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 10:46:54 PM   
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It depends on your beliefs. Christians say that just repenting is sufficient. Native Americans and Jews require that you make reparations to those who you harmed.


There are a few christian faiths that also believe in reparations.

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RE: Is one good deed enough to redeem a man of a life t... - 12/21/2010 10:50:13 PM   
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