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Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/21/2010 8:42:14 PM   
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http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/12/17/obama-a-tale-of-betrayal/
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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/21/2010 8:48:14 PM   
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http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/12/17/obama-a-tale-of-betrayal/


One of the most ignorant pieces on Obama Ive ever read.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/21/2010 8:49:58 PM   
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How so?

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/21/2010 10:56:28 PM   
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Yes willbe, how so?

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/21/2010 11:25:10 PM   
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FR:

It has some real gems.  Although I see it as more of a semi-rant by a "betrayed" follower, I think this paragraph is key:

In short, Obama failed to put up a real fight on a slew of vital issues he passionately supported as a candidate. This was not owing to a lack of political experience, but to a failure of political will. It has resulted in a loss of credibility with his base and much of the larger public. He appears so transparently weak and opportunistic that his presidential stature has been diminished, perhaps beyond repair.

Breaking it down a little:
He appears so transparently weak and opportunistic that his presidential stature has been diminished, perhaps beyond repair.

He was "transparently weak and opportunistic" to many of us while he was running.  This is no surprise.

This was not owing to a lack of political experience, but to a failure of political will.

Obama failed to put up a real fight on a slew of vital issues he passionately supported as a candidate.

I think the problem is that he is somewhat vacuous. He was a "liberal" because that was the "feel good" thing to be, and it seemed to work for him in the rest of his life.  But I don't think he actually believed in much of anything, or at least never had to face the hard challenges and reality of standing alone in front of people who truly and spiritedly did not agree with him, or his stated principles.  I don't think he was every really "tested" in his beliefs, and therefore has been unable, or unwilling to fight for a vision that encompasses the core principles in which he putatively ascribes, but which he really never felt in his heart.

No "test of fire" or "test of faith" in other words.

Until now.

I think this is his test, and it will either break him, or make him strong.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/21/2010 11:41:52 PM   
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Politifact has an interesting take on all this.

PolitiFact has compiled more than 500 promises that Barack Obama made during the campaign and is tracking their progress on our Obameter.

The Obameter Scorecard
Promise Kept 126
Compromise 40
Promise Broken 28
Stalled 82
In the Works 227
Not yet rated 3

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

They also have an analysis of each.



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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 8:14:50 AM   
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I think the problem is that he is somewhat vacuous. He was a "liberal" because that was the "feel good" thing to be, and it seemed to work for him in the rest of his life.  But I don't think he actually believed in much of anything, or at least never had to face the hard challenges and reality of standing alone in front of people who truly and spiritedly did not agree with him, or his stated principles.  I don't think he was every really "tested" in his beliefs, and therefore has been unable, or unwilling to fight for a vision that encompasses the core principles in which he putatively ascribes, but which he really never felt in his heart.

No "test of fire" or "test of faith" in other words.




This is more truth than people realize.


On the next go-round, we'd best get back to another puppet like we had just prior. Someone who never got to the level of maturity to believe in anything, and never did stand in front of anybody but those who told him what his beliefs were and spiritedly instructed him on how they were to  be carried out. Someone who never had any core principles to begin with, whom the lame corporate media would never think of questioning at all, much less "testing," being as they have no core principles outside of advertising profit and  serving the primary business themselves.

Let's put back into office someone who has no fire or faith to be tested.




Someone who is vacuous, but has the proper letter following his name.







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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 8:27:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

FR:

In short, Obama failed to put up a real fight on a slew of vital issues he passionately supported as a candidate. This was not owing to a lack of political experience, but to a failure of political will. It has resulted in a loss of credibility with his base and much of the larger public. He appears so transparently weak and opportunistic that his presidential stature has been diminished, perhaps beyond repair.



Perhaps its not appropriate to respond to a Fast Reply (sort of like getting the last word in, despite it all hehe) but, I see Obama completely different on this.  I don't see him as someone who is weak and believes in nothing.  I often see him as someone who refuses to duke it out, but instead backs down and tries another approach.  Compromise, I think, is his strategy to get what he wants.  I think its the compromise that has so many democrats in a tissy over this.  They want to duke it out and strong arm as much as the republicans do.  I think that's where it differs and why Obama comes off as indignant sometimes.  He just rethinks and readjusts....addresses again, with compromise on the second go round, to get what he wants.


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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 8:31:10 AM   
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After losing 64 seats in the House, he will no longer be able to duke it out.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 8:32:38 AM   
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so he's not socialist enough! yeah, go with that one. I think the dumbocrats need to nominate somebody FAR to the left of o'dumbo... maybe Michael Moore or even Castro (pick which one). Yeah, that will work. Dear Leader, you see, just isn't very smart nor is he experienced enough for the position. The failure was that the old line failing American media did not do its job of vetting the candidate. They fell in love with him, the tingle up the leg, and didn't even bother asking any hard questions of him. Oh they "vet" Republican candidates. I don't mind that. Any conservative should be able to hold up to their scrutiny. But they are so far in the tank for socialist candidates they fail to do their job.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 8:33:08 AM   
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Pity you still havent learned how to spell.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 8:37:34 AM   
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Oh they "vet" Republican candidates.


Mmmhmmm...just like they did McCain's running mate


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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 9:02:06 AM   
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Tazzy, since you are grading spelling this morning, haven't has an apostrophe between the n and t.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 9:05:49 AM   
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That's grammar, not spelling, sweetie.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 9:21:54 AM   
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Grammer is speaking. She is writing..

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 9:22:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I think the problem is that he is somewhat vacuous. He was a "liberal" because that was the "feel good" thing to be, and it seemed to work for him in the rest of his life.  But I don't think he actually believed in much of anything, or at least never had to face the hard challenges and reality of standing alone in front of people who truly and spiritedly did not agree with him, or his stated principles.  I don't think he was every really "tested" in his beliefs, and therefore has been unable, or unwilling to fight for a vision that encompasses the core principles in which he putatively ascribes, but which he really never felt in his heart.

No "test of fire" or "test of faith" in other words.


This is more truth than people realize.

On the next go-round, we'd best get back to another puppet like we had just prior. Someone who never got to the level of maturity to believe in anything, and never did stand in front of anybody but those who told him what his beliefs were and spiritedly instructed him on how they were to  be carried out. Someone who never had any core principles to begin with, whom the lame corporate media would never think of questioning at all, much less "testing," being as they have no core principles outside of advertising profit and  serving the primary business themselves.

Let's put back into office someone who has no fire or faith to be tested.

Someone who is vacuous, but has the proper letter following his name.

Perhaps you are correct.  It's just my opinion of him as a man, not as a statement of whether or not his beliefs and core principles are "right" or "correct" in any shape, form, or fashion.

If you'll read some of my earlier comments in the forums, you'll learn that I wasn't a particular fan of either John McCain, or of GW Bush.

I'm talking about a person's personality, not their political beliefs.

Firm


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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 9:52:22 AM   
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Everybody since Carter has been a puppet. And Carter proved that the higher interests will do everything possible to trip you up at every opportunity, then rely upon the media to refer to you as "incompetent" thereafter.

Ever since, the media have been doing their best to set the populace on a rampage about why we do not give enough to the rich, and clubbing the poor at every opportunity.


A grand success, as we witness today.







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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 10:08:05 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Tazzy, since you are grading spelling this morning, haven't has an apostrophe between the n and t.


Thats punctuation. But do try and play again.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 10:32:57 AM   
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Grammer is speaking. She is writing..



You are correct in pointing out that she was not using proper grammer.


She was using proper grammar instead.




It happens to the best of us at times.





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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 10:59:30 AM   
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Noticed that too, did ya?

Sometimes its the most simple of words that can cause the most mistakes.

However, someone who can otherwise compose a post without a single misspelling with words such as conversative, socialist and vetting, yet misspells democrats and Obama... well... its impossible for me to take that post, or the poster, seriously.

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