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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 12:33:53 PM   
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How so?


. Although he projected himself as a liberal Democrat during the presidential campaign, he has governed as a moderate Republican. The appointments he made to key positions on his economic team, such as Summers and Geithner, powerful advocates of the radical deregulation policies that helped create the economic meltdown, support the notion that Obama is Wall Street’s president.

Governed as a moderate Republican? Health care, stimulus, giving away GM to the unions, extending unemployment, etc etc etc. Foreign policy is the only area where he has been somewhat moderate, and with START and timelines for Afghanistan he's slipping back. His financial appointees? LMAO, he found the most left of the bankers who support his "spend your way out of the recession" that he could. There is no credible source for hands on fiscal/monetaary policy advisors than Wall Street.


And it goes on from there: Obama expanded, in increasingly insidious ways, the national security state and, as a consequence, he broadened the legal foundation for fascism begun by Bush.

Oooh the facism card. In what insidious ways as he done anything to expand a "national security state". The first step in doing that is securing the fucking borders. FAIL

For example, if Obama deems an American citizen to be a terrorist, he claims the right as President to order that person killed. No need for any due process of law. As for military spending, the Obama administration has far exceeded that of its hawkish predecessor.

He campaigned on expanding the war in Afganistan and capturing bin Laden. Due process for terrorists? Square that with civilian trials.

They view him today as fundamentally a servant of corporate and financial interests. Although On the domestic front, Obama signed a health care bill without a public option that will provide more than 30 million new “customers” to the private insurance companies but that does nothing to control the cost of insurance premiums. For most Americans, access to the bill’s positive provisions will remain dependent on the soaring cost of private health insurance.

If he understood health care "reform" he would know that the end result IS a public option. He's right that it will do nothing to control costs, but it does nothing to "advance corporate and financial interests" and is as socialist a policy as he could manage to hide.

Obama, once a professor of constitutional law, elected to make a mockery of the rule of law by not holding members of the Bush administration and the CIA responsible for such war crimes as murder and torture, and by not criminally prosecuting those corporate insiders responsible for the toxic mortgages and other financial instruments that led to the global economic collapse.

Bush/CIA did nothing illegal. A prosecution would be a mockery of the rule of law. Insiders responsible for toxic mortgages? Barney Frank Chris Dodd,and Maxine Water are all too powerful and supported the same far left social policies that Obama believes in.

But Obama’s credibility with even these voters is being further eroded for having negotiated a deal with the Republicans that allows for the Bush tax cuts to be extended for a further two years for the wealthiest Americans. That will exacerbate the exceedingly high rate of social inequality in the U.S., provide little or no stimulus to the economy, and add 700 billion dollars to the deficit over the next ten years. Most importantly, Obama has almost guaranteed that in the future the Bush tax cuts will become permanent and that pressure will grow for deficit reduction to come from significant cuts to Social Security, Medicare, or other social programs that the neediest Americans depend upon.

Be grateful for what you got. The deal was a huge win for Obama and far better than he would get in January.

In short, Obama failed to put up a real fight on a slew of vital issues he passionately supported as a candidate.

Yeah, he hid behind Pelosi and Reid's skirts but they were just carrying his water. How long was it after the inauguration that he told the GOP to fuck off, he won the election? A "fight" wasnt needed, Pelosi and Reid just shut down any chance for the GOP to participate.

. From 2002 to 2007, more than half of the nation’s income gains went to the richest 1 percent of households.

Outsourcing of manufacturing jobs due to onerous regulation and tax policies contributed greatly to the disparity. But WTF does it have to do with Obama?



The author is a far left idealogue for whom anything to the right of him is facist. Its a moronic rant.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 2:17:55 PM   
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 His financial appointees? LMAO, he found the most left of the bankers who support his "spend your way out of the recession" that he could. There is no credible source for hands on fiscal/monetaary policy advisors than Wall Street.






Tell it brother!

We need to get the most rightist bankers back on the job! Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs  -> US treasury) was da man!

I can just bet that nobody here knew bankers are not to be identified by who is better at seeking maximum profits and obtaining the best legislation to allow their wrecking the largest economy in the world, nor how many trillions of tax payer money they successfully absconded with, but rather as to how "leftist" they might be.

Frickin' Marxixsts. At least the ones Obama appoints, anyway.

Thanks for that elucidation.


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If he understood health care "reform" he would know that the end result IS a public option.




Truer words never spoken. Most homeless shelters,  - the ultimate public option - , are at least partially funded by government. What more do people want?


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  Insiders responsible for toxic mortgages? Barney Frank Chris Dodd,and Maxine Water are all too powerful and supported the same far left social policies that Obama believes in.




OK, I actually missed that one. I know that Phil Gramm did us the greatest favor by pushing through the legislation that allowed banks to take your and my deposits to the casino, and create fraudulent paper work to get profits tax free by pushing mortgages on unqualified borrowers, and are proceeding further with foreclosures based on more fraudulent paper work, etc., but I missed out on what part of that is not praiseworthy, being that it's bank profits, and profits is good, and if lefties had any part in that why they don't deserve praise rather than derision.

Help me out here.



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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

The author is a far left idealogue for whom anything to the right of him is facist. Its a moronic rant.




Yes. We must now also face the conclusion presented by the unavoidable corollary here, the elephant in the room, as it were.


Reagan was a card carrying Marxist. He was president of a union at one time, so we can't weasel out of that one.














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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 7:33:55 PM   
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In Tazzys world, misspelled word bad. Improper puntcuation, not so bad..

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 8:21:32 PM   
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so he's not socialist enough! yeah, go with that one. I think the dumbocrats need to nominate somebody FAR to the left of o'dumbo... maybe Michael Moore or even Castro (pick which one). Yeah, that will work. Dear Leader, you see, just isn't very smart nor is he experienced enough for the position. The failure was that the old line failing American media did not do its job of vetting the candidate. They fell in love with him, the tingle up the leg, and didn't even bother asking any hard questions of him. Oh they "vet" Republican candidates. I don't mind that. Any conservative should be able to hold up to their scrutiny. But they are so far in the tank for socialist candidates they fail to do their job.


Lemme sum this up: you think that Obama is so liberal that he's socialist.

Now that I've removed the invective from your post, would you care to back it up with some examples, perhaps with informed reasoning to show where the socialism comes in?

Obama has passed healthcare, which is largely a big giveaway to HMOs.  You might have a point there.  But he has continued the Bush tax cuts, the Bush wars, and the Bush bailouts.  I haven't noticed you calling Bush a socialist - are laws only socialistic if a Dem supports them?

Reasoning almost always works better than namecalling.  Just sayin.

Edited to add:

Back on topic, I've felt as well that he's not as strong a negotiator as I had expected.  This could be his community organizer background - he seems to have a hard time dealing with opposition, and the GOP has exploited that.  OTOH, when everyone is on board, he's very effective, as was seen during his campaign.


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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/22/2010 10:14:11 PM   
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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/23/2010 9:43:08 AM   
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so he's not socialist enough! yeah, go with that one. I think the dumbocrats need to nominate somebody FAR to the left of o'dumbo... maybe Michael Moore or even Castro (pick which one). Yeah, that will work. Dear Leader, you see, just isn't very smart nor is he experienced enough for the position. The failure was that the old line failing American media did not do its job of vetting the candidate. They fell in love with him, the tingle up the leg, and didn't even bother asking any hard questions of him. Oh they "vet" Republican candidates. I don't mind that. Any conservative should be able to hold up to their scrutiny. But they are so far in the tank for socialist candidates they fail to do their job.


Had the press "vetted" the candidate that was not black they would have found him to be a self confessed lair,cheat,pimp and traitor...all from his autobiography "faith of my fathers".

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/23/2010 5:48:19 PM   
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Pity you still havent learned how to spell.


C'mon, tazzy, the spittle flecks on the screen made it difficult to see what was being typed.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/23/2010 6:01:38 PM   
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If I were to place Obama on a political map, he would be somewhere in between Truman and Eisenhower, with occasional forays into Reagan territory;
Examples:

His health care program was less government-run than the ones favored by the New Deal Democrats like Truman;
His view of Wall Street financial regulation are more market-friendly than Eisenhower, closer to Reagan actually;
His update of the food safety regulation is more in line with the Progressives like Teddy Roosevelt;
His emphasis on public infrastructure construction is very close to Eisenhower's Interstate Highway program;
The START treaty is similar to the ones agreed to under Reagan and George HW Bush;

Overall, both liberals and conservatives misread Obama- everyone looked at him and assumed a black Democrat must logically be a radical leftist- surprise surprise, there are moderate black Democrats who are hawkish on foreign policy!

Given how reasonable and moderate his policies are, its small wonder that he is more popular than Reagan was at a similar period of his first term.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/23/2010 6:05:38 PM   
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wow, animus is spectacular... wrong. On every count. And hilarious. To call o'dumbo a moderate is to call ... well, never mind. It's just so funny. Two more years of his nonsense. He was a guy elected without any vetting process by the press. They all got a tingle up their legs with him. So all we could do is look at the people around him. Not a "moderate" to be found. Far from it. The least prepared and qualified guy ever elected president. Carter must be thinking, "dayum son, if not for you I'd be the worst president ever!" Hey, mistakes can be fixed. Phase one was November. Much more to come, muchachos!

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/23/2010 9:37:37 PM   
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Speaking as an actual socialist, Obama is not one of us, he is to far to the right for me to vote for.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/23/2010 11:58:25 PM   
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cerveza is new...What a treat. Another wilbur.

This site keeps getting better and better.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/24/2010 1:53:16 AM   
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They all got a tingle up their legs with him


you are all into this tingling leg stuff. viagra your newest bf?

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/24/2010 3:43:15 AM   
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wow, animus is spectacular... wrong. On every count. And hilarious. To call o'dumbo a moderate is to call ... well, never mind. It's just so funny. Two more years of his nonsense. He was a guy elected without any vetting process by the press. They all got a tingle up their legs with him. So all we could do is look at the people around him. Not a "moderate" to be found. Far from it. The least prepared and qualified guy ever elected president. Carter must be thinking, "dayum son, if not for you I'd be the worst president ever!" Hey, mistakes can be fixed. Phase one was November. Much more to come, muchachos!


Look, fella, I asked you to back up your namecalling and you resort to more namecalling.

He lives and he breathes, which I understand you don't like.  And he's President.  Get past it.

Care to discuss specific policies that you don't like, and why?  Or is it easier for you to call him O'Dumbo, claim he's a socialist, etc.?  Note that Animus has presented his argument.

Are you not capable of making an coherent argument, or just too lazy to do so?

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/24/2010 4:16:35 AM   
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so he's not socialist enough! yeah, go with that one. I think the dumbocrats need to nominate somebody FAR to the left of o'dumbo... maybe Michael Moore or even Castro (pick which one). Yeah, that will work. Dear Leader, you see, just isn't very smart nor is he experienced enough for the position. The failure was that the old line failing American media did not do its job of vetting the candidate. They fell in love with him, the tingle up the leg, and didn't even bother asking any hard questions of him. Oh they "vet" Republican candidates. I don't mind that. Any conservative should be able to hold up to their scrutiny. But they are so far in the tank for socialist candidates they fail to do their job.


The medias job to vet candidates?
What about the republicans vetting of him
how come they didnt "prove" all this birther crap, they dont have the resources?
they have no buddies in at the CIA, FBI, NSA?, this is just the left wing medias fault?
what utter bollocks you spew.



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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/24/2010 4:34:36 AM   
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The medias job to vet candidates?
What about the republicans vetting of him
how come they didnt "prove" all this birther crap, they dont have the resources?
they have no buddies in at the CIA, FBI, NSA?, this is just the left wing medias fault?
what utter bollocks you spew.




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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/24/2010 4:46:48 AM   
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Grammer is speaking. She is writing..

Piffle.
Any sentence written or spoken in English uses the same rules of grammar.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/24/2010 5:15:05 AM   
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wow, animus is spectacular... wrong.

Yet you fail to validate where and how...is it because you prefer puerile name calling to intellectual discussion?

On every count. And hilarious. To call o'dumbo a moderate is to call ... well, never mind. It's just so funny.

On this point you are correct...the current president is simply a carbon copy of the last one but with the ability to speak cogently.

Two more years of his nonsense. He was a guy elected without any vetting process by the press.

As mentioned before "ace mccain" the self admitted liar,cheat,pimp and traitor was not "vetted"


They all got a tingle up their legs with him. So all we could do is look at the people around him. Not a "moderate" to be found. Far from it.



The least prepared and qualified guy ever elected president.

Do you just open your mouth to change feet?
Have you ever been in the same zip code with a history book written for someone past the fifth grade?



Carter must be thinking, "dayum son, if not for you I'd be the worst president ever!"


Please tell us all why you think carter was not a good president





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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/24/2010 10:18:04 AM   
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Thanks for explaining why you fund the article ignorant, I don't agree 100% but I do agree with some of it.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/24/2010 11:21:30 AM   
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Dam,maybe America really is getting dumber.Well,there's alway's Canada.

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RE: Obama: So far from Socialist it's not even funny. - 12/24/2010 12:14:18 PM   
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I basically agree with the original article points. In my understanding Obama weak performance can be mostly explained by the lack of experience and by the lack of deep understanding. As a "rookie" he decided to play by the rules and rely on the existing structures and state of affairs (no change).  Not every "number one pick" becomes elite player.  Obama still has a chance to do so.  His year-end performance was not bad. The next year will be decisive.  He should reorganize his cabinet and start with prosecutions of the Wall Street criminals followed by a financial reform (Dodd-Frank bill is a joke).

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