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Real Instead of Phony - 12/23/2010 8:06:29 PM   
shelli5077


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Hello, I just joined this site a couple of days ago. I am brand new to this lifestyle and while I am curious and desire to learn how to be obedient, I have never actually been with a dom. My question is, I am getting a lot of messages from men claiming to be doms. How do I know they are true doms and not just looking for quick sex? What are some things I need to watch out for? Thank you for your help. Shelli
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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/23/2010 8:14:23 PM   
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You talk to them the same as you would any man you meet and want to get to know.

Bdsm isn't any different than anywhere else.



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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/23/2010 8:32:09 PM   
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If they make you call them master right off the bat, chances are they're just bullies looking to stroke their insignificant ego.

If they don't show interest in who you are, as opposed to what you're willing to do for them, chances are they're not interested in anything beyond a quick wank.

I noticed you're in Washington, I'd look at "The Wet Spot" in Queen Anne near Seattle a little ways away from you I know. They changed their name to "Center for Sex Positive Culture" I believe. In any event, they are an amazing organization in promoting new and experienced people in to exploring their sexuality.

I think this would be your first place to go to.

http://www.sexpositiveculture.org/

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 12:32:27 AM   
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Being brand new to the site, expect to get a lot of mail in the next two months.  This is pretty universal for any female who creates an account.  Doesn't matter if you're Domme, sub, or switch.  It's next to impossible to keep up with it all.

As to what to watch for, I'd have to say anybody who is sending you crap that sounds like it's typed up from fantasy land.  Especially those who want to start giving you commands from the word go.  If it sounds silly to you, it probably is and the only place that they think that works is on the net.

Do go out and meet real people.  Also, some good non fiction reading about BDSM wouldn't be a bad thing.  Both of these can help you cut through a lot of the crap that you'll find in your inbox.

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 2:19:24 AM   
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Your pic suggests you're past being a dizzy teenager (though all that "blonde" looks a worry... lol), so you put some of that life experience to good use.

IE, you don't need any previous D/s lifestyle experience to know when someone simply doesn't feel right to *you*! Just know that the otherwise transparent horndogs presenting themselves as doms do have skills at telling the naive or inexperienced subs exactly what they want to hear. Seems too many newbie fem/subs go that route and then come here with their "WTF?" questions....

Good luck - and welcome. :) Oh, and expect some jaded burnout to rag you about "true doms". Seems too much of a reach for some to understand what a newbie is *trying* to express.

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 3:57:34 AM   
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Also expect to be called a fake by certain people that don't ring your bell. Never let this upset you or try to prove them otherwise. Just delete and move on knowing this is a ploy that fake dominants often make
There are some seriously interested people on here and so its worth hanging around but there is a high percentage of waifs and strays too, so be cautious without getting paranoid!


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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 6:22:47 AM   
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Remember, you may be submissive, but you're not screennameX's submissive yet.

If I suspect a guy is not really interested in BDSM and just looking to score, I state a preference for no sex the first time we play and learn a lot by how he reacts.

If someone is not interested in a vanilla meeting like at Starbucks first, that creeps me out.

I watch for signs of married cheaters.

I was ridiculed the first time I posted this Acid Test for Doms. I've taken another look at it and it still holds true for me (except for # 9) so here it is again: http://blogs.litnet.co.za/Angeliscious/the-acid-test

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 6:37:50 AM   
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Here are my favorites from this thread: http://www.collarchat.com/m_1603688/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#1604405

What They Say: You have to earn the right to have my phone number
What They Mean: The last time my wife caught me lying and cheating she
Wouldn't blow me for a month.

What they say: I am old guard trained
What they mean: I do things the right way, and you don't

They say: What are your limits.
They mean: I am not wasting my time on bitches who don't swallow or take it up the ass.

They say: What are your limits?
They mean: What are you already willing to do before I have to put any work into this.

What they say: I want to be your mentor.
What they mean: Take off your cloths and spread your legs.

They say: I am real.
They mean: In saying this, I hope to convince both you and me that I am real.

What they say: Trust me
What they mean: If you were smart you'd already be running.

What they say: I *love* service submissives.
What they mean: Get on your knees, open your mouth, and give me a bj

What they say : Looks don't matter
What they mean : I think I am unattractive and I hope you will like me anyway, but if your ugly forget it!

What they say: Emotionally Secure
What they mean: used to being dumped

What they say: Occasional drinker
What they mean: AA has rejected me

What they say: Outgoing
What they mean: Last seen on Jerry Springer show.

What they say: I don't have a pic
What they mean: I fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.

What they say : I want a dog licking peanut butter blowjob.
What they mean: I want a dog licking peanut butter blowjob.

What they say : Of course I'll respect you.
What they mean: Fucking slut.

What they say: “I want to be friends.”
What they mean: “I want to be your Master.”

They say: Be free of std's
They mean: Because I hate using condoms

They say: No baggage
They mean: Because I have enough of my own that you'll have to deal with

They say: All relocation costs will be at your expense
They mean: Because none of the other ones have lasted more than a few days and I'm broke.

They say: You must love orgasm control
They mean: Because I've never gotten a woman off before

They say: I'm strict but fair
They mean: I'll wuss out as soon as you stick out your bottom lip

They say: I will control your mind
They mean: I've lost mine

They say: Is it your destiny to serve?
They mean: I read that in someone else's profile once, thought it sounded cool.

What they say: “Once you are done with all the fakes and wannabes.”
What they mean: “I am insecure and also quite lazy.”

What they say: “Only an older Master like myself is mature and knowledgeable enough to give you what you need.”
What they mean: “I am old and hoping this online thing can get me some young stuff.”

What they say: “I have collared many girls”
What they mean: “I suck at long-term relationships.”

What They Say: "I respect that your already involved, and I just want to get to know you as a friend".
What They Mean: "I want to keep you talking until I can figure out a way in with you".

They Say "That’s me in the photo"
They mean " is it that long since 1975"

They say " I have 8 inches"
They mean " if you measure it twice"

What they say: “My sub is sick and can no longer fulfill her obligations”
What they mean: “I'm bored and need some excitement.”

What they say: You have an interesting profile'
What they mean: I haven't actually read it, but it's as good a one-liner as any other.

They say: I'm looking for discreet meetings for play
They mean: I'm married and fooling around on the side

What they say : may turn into long term
Whey they mean : I want a one night stand, if I tell you I want a one night stand you won't do me, so I am hoping this will encourage you to sleep with me and I won't have to be accountable for actually just wanting a one night stand.

What They Say: "It's not about your pictures".
What They Mean: "I hope she doesn't realize I just jerked off to her pictures"

They say: I have a huge collection of whips, floggers, canes and paddles
They mean: And I don't have a clue how to use any of them

They say: I want to fill every hole you have with my cum
Them mean: I haven't gotten it up in years

They say: I don't want to waste a lot of time emailing and IM'ing
They mean: Because my mom only lets me have the computer for an hour every night.

They say: I am told I am very good looking
They mean: Of course, that was 20 years ago

What they say : I am really busy and rarely home, here is my cell number.
What they mean : I am married and don't want my spouse to know.

What they say: ALL women are submissive
What they mean: At least I hope so because otherwise I don't have a chance if they aren't.

What they say : You got another picture?
What they mean : You got a nude picture so I can Jack Off?

What they say : All women are bi
What they mean : I have been watching too many pornos

They say: Your owner is too young to know anything and the relationship won't last long.
They mean: I really want a hot young thing who is into kinky sex. If I play the odds, maybe when they break up she will think I'm really insightful.

What They Say: "Your Dom doesn't know how to control you".
What They Mean: "God I hope I can control you long enough to get a round of sex out of you".

What They Say: "God sent you to me".
What They Mean: "I think I forgot to take my meds again".

They say: A submissive doesn't have the right to choose their owner.
They mean: I really hope they buy into this shit because there is no way I'm getting a sub on my own merits.

What They Say: "BOW DOWN BITCH!!!"
What They Mean: "Oh geez I hope it works this time."

They say: "I'll talk to your Dom, sure! I just want to be friends, really."
They mean: "I am SO in there when she dumps him."

He says: Of course I'm listening to you.
He means: Stop talking and get naked.

He says: That sounds great to me.
He means: Hurry up and get naked.

He says: I know where we are. We're not stopping for directions.
He means: I'm in too big a hurry to get home and you get naked.

When they say: A slave should never question Me.
They mean: I'm hoping to get away with whatever I can.

They say: I'm 40-ish
They mean: I'll be 50 next week

They say: I'm looking for younger subs
They mean: Because the ones my own age know too much

When they say: I've been thinking about you a lot.
What they mean: Goddamn i can't get the memory of your lips outta my mind; or
What they mean: Damn, you really are better than so-and-so.

When they say: I'm sorry, I haven't been calling, I've been working so hard I've been falling asleep early.
What they mean: I've been spending all my nights on Yahoo Cam with other subbies, or
What they mean: Damn, I hope she doesn't figure out I lost my job last month.

He says: I put that collar around your neck for a reason!
He means: and goddamn was the sex great after that!, or
He means: it was the only way to shut you up.

When they say: I only want a NO LIMITS, real submissive.
They mean: I have the 55 gallon drum waiting out in the garage.

What they say: I am strict and will punish you.
What they mean: ...stating the obvious make me sound old guard

What they say: I have a high sex drive and am demanding
What they mean: ... my wife gets snicky when i ask her for sex twice in the same week, but you're a slut so you'll love it

What they say: ...I have a msn slave, she needs to serve, but only sometimes, so she wears my temporary collar.
What they mean:..she likes to get off being called a whore, but i cant get her to do it over the phone

What they say: I like girls with extra padding and curves
What they mean: ... fat girls have low self esteem so are easier to dominate, they make me feel like a man

What they say: i want a slave who feels the burning need for service in her belly
What they mean:... girls dig the mystical thing, and it is so muich easier to boss the bitch around if she thinks its spiritual

When they say: I'm an Old Guard (or is it Olde Guarde?) Dominant
Then mean: I got my AOL account last week and I've ordered my copy of "Screw the Roses"

They say: I'll send you a picture upon request
Them mean: It's too hideous to actually post here and I'm planning on sweeping you off you feet verbally so my looks won't matter to you.

They say: This is my last attempt at trying to find "The One"
Them mean: I've been at this for three days already!

They say: I'm a 'natural Dominate'
They mean: I've been a control freak all my life, now I have an excuse.

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 8:27:40 AM   
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*snort*

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 8:45:43 AM   
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You get to know people without worrying if they are a TRUE anything.  This concept is the same concept you apply when you get to know men off line.  You use all of your senses and you set your standards and expectations of men and then you dig through them just as you would with men you date.  No one can tell you who is true or who isn't, only you can do that for yourself because its based upon who you are attracted too, what type of man you are seeking and the concept of true is arbitrary.

People often come to sites like this saying yeah i wanna be a slave or submissive now i have to find a dom.  No, you don't, you need to find a Man who fits the type of Man you are looking for.  Being a Dom is subsequent to their being a Man.  If they aren't the Man for you, they won't be the Dom for you.

THAT, to me, is what you look out for.

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 9:37:47 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: shelli5077
How do I know they are true doms and not just looking for quick sex?
You really won't know if they're what you consider "true" until you get to know them. As for the sex...easy...just tell them that you won't answer detailed questions about sex/fantasies or engage in play/sex until you're comfortable. Stick to it. You'll find the people looking for an easy bang will pass you by.

Don't be goaded into anything when someone tells you that you're not submissive.

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 11:41:52 AM   
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Being new to this myself, great advice from all. And Shelli, I completely understand where you are coming from. It's tough to figure out. But I have gotten some very good advice from these forums. Be true to YOU. If it doesn't feel right to you it probably isn't right FOR you. Anyone can claim to be a dom but from the people I have heard from on the forums here- some are posers, some are abusers, some are just losers looking to score. I have been told repeatedly to TAKE IT SLOW. It's not a race to find a dom. Go at your pace. And the right dom for you will have the patience and make the journey with you. Find the one that makes you happy and makes you WANT to submit. I have learned in the few days on here that the wanting to submit is such a huge part of this whole dynamic. No matter what the dynamic is. Good luck and use your own good judgement on the emails you get. I have traded emails with some and others I don't even bother responding to. I just knew...... common sense said "NOT" and figured out that I don't need to rush, and you don't either. Welcome to the forums too. LOL

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 1:24:26 PM   
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Many "True Doms" ARE looking for quick sex. The latter doesn't preclude the former for everyone.

If this were a vanilla dating site, how would you weed through the guys in order to find someone who matched your desire to not have sex right away? Do THAT.

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 1:48:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: shelli5077

Hello, I just joined this site a couple of days ago. I am brand new to this lifestyle and while I am curious and desire to learn how to be obedient, I have never actually been with a dom. My question is, I am getting a lot of messages from men claiming to be doms. How do I know they are true doms and not just looking for quick sex? What are some things I need to watch out for? Thank you for your help. Shelli



There is no "true dom" except the one that is true for you! So... what kind of person do you want to spend your time with?.... Understand that person... and you will be one step closer to finding that type of person. Don't settle for less! BTW... the more you understand who the person is... the better chances you have making the right choice for you. I would also suggest you have the best possible understanding of who you are as well......

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 3:34:10 PM   
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I'm just a demanding pervert that seeks female meat to actualize my twisted sexual fantasies with, is that a real dom?

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 4:36:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: osf

I'm just a demanding pervert that seeks female meat to actualize my twisted sexual fantasies with, is that a real dom?



was meant to be a reply to the thread

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i'm not very skilled so i just hit harder

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 4:41:31 PM   
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Shelli,

Also check out the books in MasterFireMaam's signature line.

I adore "Screw the Roses, Send Me the Thorns: The Romance and Sexual Sorcery of Sadomasochism", have heard lots of good things about Jay Wiseman's books, own "The Ethical Slut: A Guide to Infinite Sexual Possibilities" and several other books by Dossie Eastman.

I've also learned quite a bit here on the forums - thanks everyone!

KK

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 8:32:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Shelli,

Also check out the books in MasterFireMaam's signature line.

I adore "Screw the Roses, Send Me the Thorns: The Romance and Sexual Sorcery of Sadomasochism", have heard lots of good things about Jay Wiseman's books, own "The Ethical Slut: A Guide to Infinite Sexual Possibilities" and several other books by Dossie Eastman.

I've also learned quite a bit here on the forums - thanks everyone!

KK


Quick correction--Dossie's last name is Easton...and anything she writes is pure gold.  I love Dossie, I've known her a long, long time--she is truly brilliant and wonderful.  (and gave me the worst....and best....caning that I've ever gotten...)

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 10:34:50 PM   
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The men who push for discussing sexual topics and/or kink quickly and frequently are giving you a pretty good idea of what they're after. That and them asking for nude pictures or for you to get on the cam for them figuring that they'll talk you into removing your clothing. If you keep running into personal topics as a consequence of 'chatting' with someone you can pretty much figure out what they are interested in and if it's not what you are looking for then you can part ways.

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RE: Real Instead of Phony - 12/24/2010 11:09:58 PM   
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Use your existing experience and intuition as to the sort of man you would like to have a relationship with.

Dominant men are nothing more unusual or extraordinary as the men you have already known and dated- that is, some are total jerks, some are exceptionally noble and wonderful, and most fall somewhere in between.

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