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angelikaJ -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/24/2010 2:42:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied I don't think a sick and suffering animal without the opportunity for vet care has much of a happy life, I could be wrong. I can't stand it when people take on pets and then do not care for them properly. Many of us who otherwise take good care of our animals can not afford a "catastrophic illness" such as cancer, which can run into the many 1,000s of dollars. I had a stray cat come in and give birth. Her uterus burst inside of her. I was in a position to vet her. It cost $900. I have a cat who had stomatitis and the solution was to have most of her teeth extracted by a veterinary specialist. The cost for that: $3,000+. I was working at the time. Now I am on disability. I did not turn my cats over to a shelter when I became disabled. If they become catastrophically ill I will deal with it but there will not be expensive measures. Tfb took Ginger to the vet when she became aware of a problem (which turned out to be cancer) and is giving her medications. She made the same decision most of us have or will, to keep her home and happy for as long as possible. Last night she ran into an issue and as it turns out Ginger is not suffering with her new symptom. Many of us who live within modest means are capable of providing good homes for our pets, even though we can't afford the most expensive options. Many people who can afford expensive treatments opt not to so as to not prolong an animals suffering and do exactly what I would do: provide comfort measures at home. Having the money to pursue other options, doesn't make one a better pet owner, as long as basic medical care needs are being met.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/24/2010 2:56:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ Having the money to pursue other options, doesn't make one a better pet owner, as long as basic medical care needs are being met. Luckily I am not in a situation where that is an option, I was gutted when one of my pet rats died (though I didn't pick a pet rat, the cats managed to break into an exotic pet shop and brought home life "prey", I rescued him, got him friends and paid amazing vet bills - a hernia in a pet rat and micro surgery - yikes, not cheap...) but if it would come to one of my pets suffering and I could extend the life of the pet but it would sufer, I would opt for the kind "put to sleep" option, yet in a way it strikes me as ironic that we are allowed to do that for our pets yet in case you're a human and you have a terminal illness but you don't want to suffer, you have to manage to get to Switzerland or the Netherlands... Not to be mean or unfeeling, but being able to keep a pet alive might not always be the kindest thing we can do to the pet, giving the best care we can afford to give is all we can do and an animal in a loving home is possibly a lot happier than an animal in a shelter or a starving animal, r an animal being put down because nobody took it from a shelter and they don't have the means to keep it forever. Most of us don't adopt animals on the basis of "Worst case scenario" but "It needs a home, I take it in and care for it..." Just like people don't marry thinking about the spouse getting cancer, Parkinson's, etc....

soul2share -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/24/2010 3:21:47 PM)
TFB, I'm not taking shots at you, but honestly, if it were me and I was in your financial position, I'd let Ginger go peacefully before she suffers any more. I had to make the decision when one of my cats got Feline Leukemia.....I was raising my son on my own on about $600 a month and food stamps. I could have gone into debt with transfusions, medications and other treatment options, but there was no guarantee that she would live. Her quality of life was already being compromised by the disease, even tho the vet said he didn't think she was in pain. My thinking there is how can they tell? Only you can decide when enough is enough, I only hope you can find the strength to do it soon. Sometimes, no matter how hard it is, you have to let go. If that's hard to hear, then I would suggest NOT posting your questions here, as we're going to just add more to what we're already saying. Again, it's not personally directed at you, but for me, your trials with Ginger are just too hard to think about. It does sound like she's suffering some pain based on what you've posted in the recent past.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/24/2010 3:55:01 PM)
We haven't always been unable to pay for her needs, we've run into some difficulty this year having money to make ends meet, and please she's not suffering because I didn't run her to the Er , she went this morning. I suppose you being holier than thou do no wrong would just pitch the animal you've had for most it's years the minute you fell on hard times? Since you seem to think not rushing her to the ER was making her suffer, why don't you pay for the 130 plus medication instead of normal vet in the morning ,bill. quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied You should not take on the responsibility of a pet if you can't afford to care for it properly. Low income family or not, it is inappropriate to make a pet suffer because of your selfishness.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/24/2010 4:05:29 PM)
We're not doing the shots and transfusions or chemo. She's on prednisone to shrink the tumor, And hopefully keep the cancer from spreading so fast, and fomatadine so the pred won't upset her tummy. Only other treatment is our love till the vet feels that she has declined.Other than the swelling and tummy bruising, he said she's doing very well. He sees no need to have her put to sleep yet. He did say we could do chemo, but I said no. If it comes to toxic expensive treatments that may give them 5 months more, but makes them sick, ya are out of time, hoist the white flag and call it quits. quote: ORIGINAL: soul2share TFB, I'm not taking shots at you, but honestly, if it were me and I was in your financial position, I'd let Ginger go peacefully before she suffers any more. I had to make the decision when one of my cats got Feline Leukemia.....I was raising my son on my own on about $600 a month and food stamps. I could have gone into debt with transfusions, medications and other treatment options, but there was no guarantee that she would live. Her quality of life was already being compromised by the disease, even tho the vet said he didn't think she was in pain. My thinking there is how can they tell? Only you can decide when enough is enough, I only hope you can find the strength to do it soon. Sometimes, no matter how hard it is, you have to let go. If that's hard to hear, then I would suggest NOT posting your questions here, as we're going to just add more to what we're already saying. Again, it's not personally directed at you, but for me, your trials with Ginger are just too hard to think about. It does sound like she's suffering some pain based on what you've posted in the recent past.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/24/2010 4:14:40 PM)
both our critters befor mine got sick and I had him put to sleep , making it critter not plural.gets vet care. They may not be ran to the Er for something like tummy bruising but they will go to their regular doc, first chance we can.I had to borrow the money from someone but they Went to a reg vet. quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied I don't think a sick and suffering animal without the opportunity for vet care has much of a happy life, I could be wrong. I can't stand it when people take on pets and then do not care for them properly.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/24/2010 4:22:36 PM)
Exactly, when I got Sparky I was 10, we didn't know he'd live till he was 18 and by the time they found out he was dying , I'd have to borow money to have him put to sleep. Situations change. What wasn't a problem way back when you signed up for the job aren't always the deal now. When I met Ginger and started caring for her on behalf of daddy, I didn't know in 4 years I'd be living paycheck to paycheck for 6 months, and she'd develope cancer. There's no way we could see that. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze True, but it is very human to try and do the best for an animal or a person that needs help, hardly anybody forsees problems like tumors or cancer, you are trying to do what is best in the situation and sometimes the situation just gets out of hand. You can be lucky and your cat/dog won't need any medical attention but it can also go horribly wrong.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/24/2010 4:32:27 PM)
Ty, she gets basic care, food water shelter, love, we do run into snags now and then but she's never EVER left"suffering" heck I champion taking them when others pooh pooh going. Often times people said they're ok leave them alone and my insticts said they were not ok, and I was right and the " leave them alone, they're fine " camp was wrong, seriously in one instance. Neither was Sparky, they may not of gone to an er , but they got care. I did the best I could do for both fur babies. quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ Many of us who otherwise take good care of our animals can not afford a "catastrophic illness" such as cancer, Tfb took Ginger to the vet when she became aware of a problem (which turned out to be cancer) and is giving her medications. She made the same decision most of us have or will, to keep her home and happy for as long as possible. Last night she ran into an issue and as it turns out Ginger is not suffering with her new symptom. Many of us who live within modest means are capable of providing good homes for our pets, even though we can't afford the most expensive options. Many people who can afford expensive treatments opt not to so as to not prolong an animals suffering and do exactly what I would do: provide comfort measures at home. Having the money to pursue other options, doesn't make one a better pet owner, as long as basic medical care needs are being met.

TribeTziyon -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/24/2010 5:15:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied You should not take on the responsibility of a pet if you can't afford to care for it properly. Low income family or not, it is inappropriate to make a pet suffer because of your selfishness. I agree whole heartedly that one should not take responsibility for a pet if one can't afford it but people's lives and circumstances can change dramatically. Cruel as it may sound to some folks, the reality is that if I had such financial hardships like having to choose between paying the morgage or feeding the kids- the neccessities are going to win out over the animal's needs no matter how much I love them. I would never condone mistreating or neglecting an animal. If something is wrong and you can't afford it than find alternative placements or options.

pahunkboy -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/25/2010 5:45:11 AM)
Why not take her to Disneyland?

KatyLied -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/25/2010 6:17:26 AM)
quote: why don't you pay for the 130 plus medication instead of normal vet in the morning ,bill . Because it is not MY responsibility to pay YOUR bills. Have hard times? Get a second job. I work two jobs in order to have the money for the extras that I want. I wouldn't dream of suggesting that someone else pay for my way in life.

pahunkboy -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/25/2010 6:30:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied quote: why don't you pay for the 130 plus medication instead of normal vet in the morning ,bill . Because it is not MY responsibility to pay YOUR bills. Have hard times? Get a second job. I work two jobs in order to have the money for the extras that I want. I wouldn't dream of suggesting that someone else pay for my way in life. Give it a break. Whatcha going to do? Go to all the poor peoples houses and round up their pets- take them to the SPCA and have them destroyed? So these pets live an extra day. That is a good thing. Why are pets so sickly? Hmm? Why? Why are people so sickly too for that matter? How do you respond to those ads on TV. Even PA has no more room in the shelters and the dog catchers take the dogs a 100 miles to NJ to the SPCA. The OP is not selfish. She is doing the best she can do given the circumstances. In the olden days- they put unwanted animals in a sack and tossed them in the river to drowned.... The OP is not ir-responsible. -- the no kill shelters are a joke... in the old days - one never had to spend thousands on a pet.. it was unheard of. If you feel strongly about this- then organize a drive in your town. In the meantime- OPs home is much better then a shelter or being dropped off on a farm- or tossed in the river to drown.

kalikshama -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/25/2010 6:35:48 AM)
When our husky was diagnosed with cancer, we quickly switched to buying the majority of his meds from Canada. I spent a lot of time price shopping. When we needed something right away, we'd get it at an independent pharmacy attached to a hospital, which was cheaper than the chain pharmacies and WAY cheaper than the vet. I was disgusted to find that something the vet sold for $75 (supposedly "to help his white blood cell count") was actually the animal equivalent of an antibiotic available for $4 at Walmart. Husky was 75# and it was quite easy to get human meds for him. I imagine it would be more difficult for smaller animals. When our 20 year old cat developed kidney failure, we gave him IVs and meds, which prolonged his life for 5 months. In retrospect, I would not have done this again. He was 20 after all, and HATED the treatment. Again, we bought the stuff at the independent pharmacy, rather than at the vet. At one point during the 10 months of cancer treatment, I asked my employer to put me back on hourly, rather than salary. Instead, they gave me a raise and an advance on my year end bonus, which was extremely generous. I did other things to create more disposable income, such as cutting costs, increasing revenue, and insisting the husky's co-owner shoulder a greater financial burden. I was careful to not go into credit card debt but was thankful to have that option. The vet had given us a cost estimate, and while the actual cost was probably triple that, I started budgeting the minute we got the estimate. Best of luck to all with sick animals or humans. KK

kalikshama -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/25/2010 6:39:10 AM)
quote: Why are pets so sickly? Hmm? Why? Why are people so sickly too for that matter? Oh, don't get me started on commercial pet food, please, I beg of you!

KatyLied -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/25/2010 7:10:25 AM)
quote: Why are pets so sickly? Hmm? Why? Why are people so sickly too for that matter? Goldman-Sachs, no doubt.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/25/2010 9:04:47 AM)
kalikshama, yeah the only meds she's on are temporary. After this round of of prednisone, she probably won't be on any more, maybe just pain pills if she has pain. Thank you. Merry Christmas if you celebrate. quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama When our husky was diagnosed with cancer, we quickly switched to buying the majority of his meds from Canada. Best of luck to all with sick animals or humans. KK

Aynne88 -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/25/2010 1:39:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied quote: why don't you pay for the 130 plus medication instead of normal vet in the morning ,bill . Because it is not MY responsibility to pay YOUR bills. Have hard times? Get a second job. I work two jobs in order to have the money for the extras that I want. I wouldn't dream of suggesting that someone else pay for my way in life. Second job? She doesn't even have one job Katy. We are most likely paying her way one way or another.... TFB you are in denial. Dogs are stoic and will suffer great pain before we even see it. It's wrong to allow her to suffer, and it's wrong to take on an animal and not have the money for vet care, yes even emergency vet care. It pisses me off to no end when animals suffer like this needlessly.

Aynne88 -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/25/2010 2:10:06 PM)
TFB: "I'd say it's not urgent, Angel did pin point that correctly, that right now I want to work, not NEED to, so if I took some enrichment coourses, boned up on some skill set classes, I'd have time to." From this thread 2 days ago. http://www.collarchat.com/m_3501683/mpage_2/tm.htm Sorry TFB, when you are letting your dog suffer and can not afford proper vet care, you NEED to work. You live with your parents, your are 28, I read your thread on applying for work at WalMart, it was a non stop whine about the imperfect conditions of the position etc... You do know there is a reason they call it work and not Disneyland right? I know I sound like a bitch but when my 2 labs got bone cancer some years back, yes both of them, I worked all day at my suck ass job in corporate america and bartended 4 nights a week until 2 a.m. to pay the goddamn vet bills. It sucked. However, the dogs were cared for and when they started to suffer, they were gracefully and lovingly let go. I would say the you do indeed fall into the need to get a job category and do what's right for Ginger too, she is suffering and it's your responsibility, loving her doesn't ease her pain.

TribeTziyon -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/25/2010 2:10:15 PM)
Wow, sounds like some folks got piss in their eggnog.

Aynne88 -> RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible bruising on her tummy? (12/25/2010 2:13:13 PM)
Really? Sounds like some folks think it's okay to not work, claiming they don't need to, and have a suffering animal. You cool with that? Oh I don't drink eggnog, it's fattening. Nice little sideswipe though, you can address me upfront you know. I prefer that method of discourse.

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