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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/25/2010 2:27:41 PM

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Aynne, I normally agree with you, however....

I have to believe that if it was needed, at this time, to put the pet down, the vet would have suggested that rather than meds. I could be wrong about that or misread, but I think TFTB has been taking it to a vet, and I really do not think she would allow an animal to suffer when there was no hope. That just doesn't go with the personality I see her portray on here.

Regarding the tirade about her not working and such, do you really feel, after reading TFTB's posts for all this time, that she is capable of working? Maybe tis the season, but damn, you yelling at her makes me sad, it is like making fun of the kids that are on the short bus.

I think she is what she is, with a good heart, and not going to change. I just really almost cried when I saw you and others talking to her so meanly.

Blah, I am gettin to be an old softie! Merry Christmas!

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/25/2010 2:39:23 PM

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I am a sensitive person when it comes to animals.

We (Mom and I) had to put Georgie to sleep because he was declining in his health. Blind, deaf, some kind a cancer which to started to speed up with more new tumors. Mom had to do it. I never seen her cry like this. I miss Georgie, but I know that his is gone. I just miss he coming to the desk and getting head petting from me.

Shortly afterwards, 3 cats showed up. Now mom does not allow cats instead the trailer. The cats are bold in hanging around because the neighbor's dogs love treeing the cats (especially Momma Kitty)

This is a case that is moot. Some people have the funds for the latest care at the vet's office, some people don't. I can take care of the new cats but that means finding an animal taxi and running in to the vet, hoping he can allow me to have a payment plan. I know that degrading people down due to financial status show how insecure they are about themselves. I admit I am poor and on disability but I do my damnest to care for my animals, even the strays.

Now excuse me...I ran into the rug doctor and my foot is reminding me...OWIE!!!

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/25/2010 3:09:02 PM

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I do all I can to take care of my animals too, but the fact is, if it reached a point of me needing to spend 5k on some treatment, I would hold them and cry as they were put to sleep. I could not afford it and I know that.

A friend spent nearly 10k on her dog, got it a hot tub for therapy after surgery, all kinds of meds, etc. That dog was loved beyond comparison, but it was never happy during all the time after the surgery. Always looked sad, never walked right, and would cry. Because she had the money to keep getting the best vet care money could buy, she felt she was doing the right thing and helping. I thought she was prolonging the dogs agony, but I never said that to her. It was her call.

I have owned many pets. I have always done all I could for them to make them happy and healthy, but I am sure there are folks who would say I do not do all I could. I do not do heartworm testing or meds, I make sure they see a vet regularly, but I only get them rabies vaccines, as required by law. My pets are homebodies, and I have never had one get sick. If one did get sick, after all these years, does that make me a horrible pet owner because I didn't get all the extra shots? Maybe to some, but I would be ok with my self and my choices.

A lot of typing to make one point. The pet owner who cries as they have a dog put down that they can not afford to save is no better or worse than the owner who cries while they have a pet put down after spending 10k on them. We all do the best we can, and our pets love us unconditionally.

TFTB, good luck, and I hope you find the strength to do the right thing when the time is here.

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/25/2010 3:56:36 PM

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JstAnotherSub, I understand that you don't agree with me, I still love you

sometimes I think Topping reminds me of Dollparts, and this is one of those times. She said just within the last day that the poor dog was inconsolable. I don't think that bodes very well for the dog does it?

I don't know if she is capable of working or not, she certainly claims to be searching...sort of. I have seen many people working at WalMart or Hannaford's that clearly have learning disabilities and do their jobs just fine.

Sharar this isn't about money versus not having money, it's about allowing the dog to be in pain, suffering, "inconsolable" in the owner's own words, and then complaining about the high cost of vet bills in one thread, and in another stating she doesn't "need" to work. If she can't pay for bills for a sick and suffering dog, she needs to work, period. It would probably be a good thing for her to get out and have some sort of schedule, meet people, earn a paycheck, blah blah blah all the wonderful grownup accountability stuff.

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/25/2010 3:57:24 PM

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Shar, when we had to have Sparky put to sleep I thought for the BRIEFEST moment of letting the vet take him and that would be it, but I decided to hold him while she injected the stuff. I am glad I did. I don't blame anyone who couldn't be there while it happened though.

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ORIGINAL: ShaharThorne

I am a sensitive person when it comes to animals.

We (Mom and I) had to put Georgie to sleep because he was declining in his health. Blind, deaf, some kind a cancer which to started to speed up with more new tumors. Mom had to do it. I never seen her cry like this. I miss Georgie, but I know that his is gone. I just miss he coming to the desk and getting head petting from me.

Shortly afterwards, 3 cats showed up. Now mom does not allow cats instead the trailer. The cats are bold in hanging around because the neighbor's dogs love treeing the cats (especially Momma Kitty)

This is a case that is moot. Some people have the funds for the latest care at the vet's office, some people don't. I can take care of the new cats but that means finding an animal taxi and running in to the vet, hoping he can allow me to have a payment plan. I know that degrading people down due to financial status show how insecure they are about themselves. I admit I am poor and on disability but I do my damnest to care for my animals, even the strays.

Now excuse me...I ran into the rug doctor and my foot is reminding me...OWIE!!!

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/25/2010 4:00:44 PM

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I forgot to say Shar I still dream about my dog now and then, if I am lucky enough to have him visit me in my dreams.

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/25/2010 4:15:58 PM

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Ginger is a vocal lil girl, when she's in the mood to talk and she's got a wants something, there ain't no shutting her up, she just whines and cries and oofs. Specially if her daddy is gone and she wants him, or she wants to go in the house and see my parents. Or heaven forbid you're eating and she wants it. This is what I mean by inconsolable. Not from pain, but cause she wants something, and people are not responding to her in the way the way she wanted, if it was from pain we'd bundle her off to have it all ended, because that's not only cruel but her cries would haunt me. I would not let her suffer like that.

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88 She said just within the last day that the poor dog was inconsolable.

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/25/2010 5:50:26 PM

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JstAnotherSub, I understand that you don't agree with me, I still love you sometimes I think Topping reminds me of Dollparts, and this is one of those times. She said just within the last day that the poor dog was inconsolable. I don't think that bodes very well for the dog does it?

I don't know if she is capable of working or not, she certainly claims to be searching...sort of. I have seen many people working at WalMart or Hannaford's that clearly have learning disabilities and do their jobs just fine.

Sharar this isn't about money versus not having money, it's about allowing the dog to be in pain, suffering, "inconsolable" in the owner's own words, and then complaining about the high cost of vet bills in one thread, and in another stating she doesn't "need" to work. If she can't pay for bills for a sick and suffering dog, she needs to work, period. It would probably be a good thing for her to get out and have some sort of schedule, meet people, earn a paycheck, blah blah blah all the wonderful grownup accountability stuff.

Aynne,

It is very easy to sometimes project our anxieties onto our animals.
Tfb was afraid the other night... and perhaps her projected anxieties made the dog seem more distressed than she was.

She did take the dog to the vet yesterday; the vet said she was doing well.
I don't think it is fair of you to second guess that.

I believe Tfb has already discussed letting Ginger go when it is time to do so with the vet. She has mentioned that from the beginning when Ginger's illness was first discovered.
Had the vet said it was time yesterday, from everything I have read here, it sounds like Tfb would have gone along with that.

The prednisone was to give her a little more time by delaying the spread of the cancer/tumors... giving her a little wider window before she became too uncomfortable.

I don't see neglect or selfishness here... .

Is it possible that your bias towards that other poster is affecting how you are viewing things...?

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/25/2010 6:02:57 PM

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I will say, having just gone through this with my late retriever, that one day the blood work was fine and literally two days later it was very bad. We had him on IV steroids for a couple of days, he appeared to have stabilized, and three days later died at the vet's office waiting for them to put him down.

So you can't blame her for being confused. Because if the tumor starts bleeding, everything changes overnight.

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/25/2010 9:00:02 PM

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Angelina, yes if the vet had wait it was time, I would of had it taken care of yesterday. I am glad it didn't come to that, every one was afraid she was on the verge of dying, or having to be put to sleep.

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/26/2010 5:56:52 AM

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I have to believe that if it was needed, at this time, to put the pet down, the vet would have suggested that rather than meds.

Depends really, my cats somehow managed to drag in a pet rat baby (clearly not a wild one as it was black and white), we had him patched up, all the vaccinations, the poor baby got a hernia, we had the surgery, then one day he was sneezing and coughing, what we didn't know was the vet we were with at the time didn't have any experience with small furries, so instead of taking it seriously he said we should wait, then when it got worse gave him antibiotics and called it a mild case of the sniffles. The poor rat got weaker and weaker, we kept repeating the course of antibiotics, I kept asking the vet repeatedly if there is any chance he will be healthy again, he kept on telling how tough rats are. Several hundred £ later and phoning up the "fancy rat club", research on the internet, I learned that once their lungs are bad, they hardly ever recover and they suffer lots because the tissue will be scared and they are much more prone to all sorts of infections.
Somebody gave me the address of a vet who specializes in exotic pets (didn't think pet rats are that exotic), he recommended to put the poor fellow to sleep, everything else would make him suffer longer as he'd never make a recovery.

Unfortunately the exotic pet specialist is a good 2 hours away, but in the meantime we changed vets, especially since I had a word with the old vet and his comment was "But wild rats live in the canalization, they don't get old anyway and as pets they're not expensive", the new vet said she is not a specialist for rats but said she would be willing to work with a specialist and read up on them. The friends we had bought for Jerry Rat (pack animals, not good being kept alone) are in great care with her, when one had a stroke, she said flat out that instead of making him suffer we should let him go, he could live for a couple of months but he would keep on hurting himself and impaired movement is horrible for them.

I think the old vet just saw our pets as a source of profit, if he doesn't care for rats, fine but he could have said so, also that he doesn't know about them. After that I wouldn't ever have been able to trust him to do what is best for the animals but what is best for his pocket. It's also an amazing difference how the new vet handles the pets, giving them time to relax before treating them and not just "Hold still, shots, out", the cats still don't like going to vet for their shots, but the dog adores her as she always gives her a little treat. It's not just that she has a better "bedside manner", she cares for animals and in case she is not sure about something will tell us and is going to check up on it.

In case she recommends a treatment, I'm willing to go with it because she could have milked us for the rat with the stroke but decided to do what is best for the animal.

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/26/2010 7:31:59 AM

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There is an older thread by OP where I specifically asked her what she spent on vet care for her dog. She went into details- and it is not fair to say she has not gone to a vet- she has sunk some cash into her dog- she had tests and so forth.

Knowing that she did this- to me- indicates that she is rationally dealing with the illness of her dog.

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/26/2010 7:32:03 AM

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Regarding the tirade about her not working and such, do you really feel, after reading TFTB's posts for all this time, that she is capable of working?

If she chooses not to work or is somehow unable to work, I think there are plenty of programs that will help her. Not sure a pet should be the top priority for someone who is short on cash. Allow common sense to prevail, if possible.

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/26/2010 7:38:59 AM

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I cant locate her older thread.

A re-read of that- will show that Top has made an effort to get her dog vet care.

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/26/2010 8:02:22 AM

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Regarding the tirade about her not working and such, do you really feel, after reading TFTB's posts for all this time, that she is capable of working?

If she chooses not to work or is somehow unable to work, I think there are plenty of programs that will help her. Not sure a pet should be the top priority for someone who is short on cash. Allow common sense to prevail, if possible.

So an unemployed person who would find a starving pet should not take the pet in because they can afford food but not expensive vet care? It could happen that the company I work for goes out of business, it could be that it would take me a while to find a new job, that would also make me short on cash, but I don't think I would want to give my pets to a shelter due to that, I would still do what is best for them as much as I can afford it. And unfortunately my own experience has shown me that spending a lot of money on a pet (following the advice of a vet) didn't really help.

I hope that whenever Ginger is in pain and her quality of life is suffering, TFB will have her put to sleep. She's doing her best, an animal that is loved, fed and looked after is still better off than being put into a shelter and possibly put down if not picked up, because the shelters often don't have the resources. I'd rather see pets being kept by unemployed people in possibly not so luxurious circumstances than being "destroyed" because shelters are beyond their capacity to support them.

Since Ginger is ill, I'd err on the side of caution and possibly would have her put to sleep before she suffers badly.

TFB - on another thought, have you been in touch with local animal shelters? They will often be able to tell you which vets are willing to charge less or do charity work.

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/26/2010 8:19:35 AM

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Regarding the tirade about her not working and such, do you really feel, after reading TFTB's posts for all this time, that she is capable of working?

If she chooses not to work or is somehow unable to work, I think there are plenty of programs that will help her. Not sure a pet should be the top priority for someone who is short on cash. Allow common sense to prevail, if possible.

To me, common sense is doing the best you can. I can agree to disagree though. I think the white Christmas has got me all sappy-lol.

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/26/2010 8:27:18 AM

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So an unemployed person who would find a starving pet should not take the pet in because they can afford food but not expensive vet care?

It is always your choice to spend your income in whatever way you find appropriate. If you are going to make a commitment to a pet then be prepared for the consequences of that choice, that's all I am saying.

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/26/2010 9:03:51 AM

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People can fall on hard times, unemployed people can love a pet just the same and give it a good home, none of us counts on getting cancer and we're possibly ill prepared for it. Same can happen when you adopt a pet, I'd say there is a massive difference between giving a pet a home that needs a home because otherwise it would die or buying a pedigree where you know that you most likely will have a lot of breed specific problems.

Apart from the rats all my pets have pet insurance, and just one surgery pays for it, I pay the first £80 myself, which is something that I'll be able to always afford, it seriously has paid for itself already with the dog having had a shard of glass in the paw last winter, the surgery was about £500 without the meds she had to take afterwards, same when one of the cats broke a leg (we still don't know how that happen but presumably was hit by a car). Plus it is a good present to give to friends who have pets, ideal for bdays or xmas and usually very appreciated.

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/26/2010 9:24:44 AM

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Hey Top, when is Ginger going to take you to Disneyland?

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RE: Can prednisone or flamotadine cause the horrible br... - 12/26/2010 9:31:18 AM

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Shelters in my metropolitan area are going under. They do not have the resources and/or support they once had given the economy. They have even changed the options to surrendering animals to being more stricter.

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