Termyn8or
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We gotta get out of this shit. Every point of law comes down to the magna carta and some fucking obscure twelfth century definitions. How long until we get to the goddam code of Hamurabi ? I don't know if that predates Mosaic law, but it's also a hard read. It's also irrelevant.
Perhaps these archaic documents are the heart of law, but today the "law" seems to have undergone a cardiectomy. Law is simply a guide for the operation of those in power de jure. All countries, no matter how oppresive their government, have it. Bust people for this, don't bust people for that. It is that simple. What happens to the individual ?
As far as reading the Constitution aloud in congress tomorrow, what good does anyone think that'll do ? References to the Constitution can be barred in a court. It happened in Colorado. The judge prohibited the mention of the second amendment in a gun possesion charge. When defense lawyers balked at this, the judge explained that "This is a home rule state". Incidentally the defendant was a lawmaker.
Now if they can do that to him, what do you think they can do to you ? The fact is, it's all gone. Do they really need to cede all the proerty in this country to individuals ? Why not ? Take care of your own roads, the patch in front of your property must be maintained, or else the neighbors will bitch. Perhaps they'll burn you at the stake for wrecking the suspension on their car. Perhaps not.
It doesn't matter if the state is sovereign, a subsidiary of the corporate U.S.A. or a landlocked territory. Those with the might are the ones who determine what is right. Try arguing these things in traffic court and you're liable to set a record for the stiffest penalties ever imposed for a parking ticket.
You think the situation pertaining to debtors not paying nor responding to civil court summons being imprisoned is the rebirth of debtor's prison ? It's not a rebirth, try not paying your fines. See what happens.
Reading the Constution to lawmakers is just a form of enhanced lip service. You think it will change anything ? The time for that was before the civil war. It's too late. We have become what the founders of this country sought to escape. There are very few exceptions really, notably the second amendment, since the castle doctrine, that can actually be used in court. Basically all it boils down to is making real law into case law. The Constitution is now case law, get it ? Another supreme court can reverse that decision.
Know why ? It's called power. And to gain more power the body of code and statute has been made so complex that selective enforcement enhances that power. The concept of "license" is exactly that. Not that it doesn't have some merit. But in one Ohio community, if you change your own hot water tank, you had better scrap the old one yourself. If they see it on "your" tree lawn they will be at the door looking for a permit and a receipt from a licensed contractor. In the same community if you have a jetski parked on "your" driveway the cops might come, if someone calls them.
It doesn't matter anymore what is a crime and what is not. It is a matter of getting away with what you can. Right and wrong mean nothing.
Even the first amendment means nothing. Granted you can't burn a cross in someone else's front yard. Actually you can't do that to a White, but if you do that to a Black, all hell breaks loose. A minor class definition really. But what if you want to burn a cross in your "own" front yard ? Try it sometime. I think my neighbor would love to burn a cross, not that he is racist or bigoted, he just happens to not be quite with Christianity. But the widespread interpretation of such an act would put him in hot water. Why ?
Because they say so.The government is now the "We Say So" corporation. There was a fight down south about flying the Confederate flag. Who the hell cares ? And it's like that in the larger part of the world. It has come to us. Consider the Confederate flag for a moment. I see it as a symbol of those who tried to extricate themselves from the union, who had the balls to fight for that goal, and lost. Others see it as a symbol of slavery and racism. But let me remind you of the southern abolishionist states as well as the Dred Scott decision.
It is people's perception. Forget the law, go to Baltimore or Detroit or a few other places and try to fly a Confederate flag. See what happens. Try it on the lower east side of Cleveland. We had a race riot before, what makes you think it can't happen again ?
The problem is here that the stupider people get the more government they need. Present company excepted, people need a hell of alot of government now. Nobody can argue peacibly, resolve difference without appealing to "higher powers" or actual; violence. That's why there's road rage. People who are unimportant can feel important. There is no solution, the path we're on is one way until something happens. What will that be ?
Either there will be a war, or everyone will be homogenized and controlled chemically. It is inevitable. I have no need to read 1984, all I have to do is take a little ride with my eyes open. People can't handle self govrnment. Perhaps I could, some others, but in general no. Anarchy only works with fairminded, respectful and moral people. Got any in mind ?
They could read the entire Bible to me and I would not believe. They could read the entire Koran to me and I would not believe. They could read anything to me and I would not believe. If I were Black and someone burned a cross on "my" front lawn I would have a wiener roast. Others must make a federal case out of it - because they can.
So they make a resolution to read the Constitution, big deal. How about a resolution to read the bills before they vote on them ? At one point Ron Paul introduced legislation to require a certain frame of time between the submission of a bill and the time when it is voted upon. Did it pass ?
Power.
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