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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/25/2010 1:00:41 PM   
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To make it simpler, the consequence of not doing what you say is that you aren't trusted in the future. How can a ten minute belting compare with loss of trust?

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/25/2010 2:22:05 PM   
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I never said that the punishment would be physical.

The harshest punishment I got as a child was when I saw that I made my parents cry and I know they were really disappointed with me. I will never forget that day. This happened once and never again.

To go with a little phrase from work: It is easier to get a new customer that to win a lost customer back.
Same with trust. It is easier to build trust when you just met. If you destroyed that trust once it will be very hard to rebuild it.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/25/2010 2:31:25 PM   
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I know this isn't quite what you meant, but this struck a chord with me.

In general (with several very specific exceptions) I don't want to have to be strict. I want my partners to do as I say because they want to please me, not because I'm holding consequences over their heads. And in general (those specific exception excepted ) they do. If I want thing x done and thing x happens, where's the need for strictness?


i think this is a case of different vibes/tones working best for different people. a Dominant being very strict does not imply a disobedient, careless or rambunctious submissive that needs tight reigns in order to conduct themselves properly. i certainly do not obey my Master because of a fear of consequences...i obey him first and foremost because it is my nature to do so, and secondly because i wish to please him. i am the type of slave who, if commanded not to drink any soda that day, for instance, can have the soda sitting before me all day and never dream of touching it once. however it's a comfort to me to not only be commanded not to touch the soda, but to have the soda in the fridge with a lock on the door and an alarm to be sounded if it's fiddled with, and dire consequences to be paid if i go near.

but strictness is not just about consequences and punishment, it's also about an overall structured environment. if things were laidback, i would still do whatever was wished of me, but if it would feel very unstable to me. also being very dependent-natured, i could not thrive in an environment where i was expected to constantly make totally independent decisions. i'd become paralyzed into inactivity. different strokes, different folks and all that.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/25/2010 2:32:35 PM   
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I also think it is notable how many strict doms are still seeking. Because they don't get that being a one-trick-pony, punishment no matter what, isn't going to grow a strong relationship.



so a Dominant being strict indicates that he is a "one trick pony," obsessed with mindless punishment?

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/25/2010 4:01:44 PM   
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i think this is a case of different vibes/tones working best for different people.

Oh, for sure-but the OP was phrased to imply that if you weren't strict then you couldn't possibly be a 'real' dominant-I was trying to explain how it's possible to be dominant without being strict. You've every right to take comfort in whatever locks and alarms there are in your relationship, because they are a valid part of that relationship-but they aren't a necessary part of *every* d/s relationship, which is what the OP seemed to be implying.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/26/2010 5:30:52 AM   
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I never said that the punishment would be physical.



Sorry about the FR. I wasn't responding to you, but to osf.
However, since you yourself know that the pain of disappointing someone is worse than any punishment, why is it therefore necessary to add to that pain any kind of punishment? How would writing lines or standing in a corner teach anything that disappointing someone you love could not? And that should be what we're looking for, not for someone to exercise his sadism or get hard by humiliating someone else, but to fix the problem for the future.

If the problem is that she's late because she's disorganized. She might start being on time for a while but her basic disorganization won't have been addressed. And in such a situation, that's what needs fixing. Why is she so scattered, and how can it be helped? Because if you aren't capable of helping her, then why do you deserve to be in charge of her?




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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/26/2010 6:58:07 AM   
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If the problem is that she's late because she's disorganized. She might start being on time for a while but her basic disorganization won't have been addressed. And in such a situation, that's what needs fixing. Why is she so scattered, and how can it be helped? Because if you aren't capable of helping her, then why do you deserve to be in charge of her?


The only thing that I can say right now would be that I don't have experience in a D/s relationship. On the other hand this isn't limited to a D/s relationship. I would have to figure out what the source of a problem is and then find a way to help with that. This is part of every kind of relationship where you care for someone.

When I started this thread I didn't expect to spark so much discussion. I already read the various answers several times and I think I will read them a couple of times more. There is a lot to learn here.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/26/2010 7:19:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

In general (with several very specific exceptions) I don't want to have to be strict. I want my partners to do as I say because they want to please me, not because I'm holding consequences over their heads. And in general (those specific exception excepted ) they do. If I want thing x done and thing x happens, where's the need for strictness?


I'm with you on that, I'm not very much into a lot of protocols but then I'm somebody who's more drawn to the SM part than the formal Ds. In case I have to enforce orders, it feels a lot like somebody is trying to top from the bottom, you know challenging so they get more punishment and trying to upset me, now why would I give somebody that kind of power? In case somebody doesn't want to serve me on my own terms, we are not right for each other and I rather keep on looking than settle into something that isn't really a good fit.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/26/2010 7:35:53 AM   
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that fact that you expect thing x done may make you strict to some, but there has to be consequences if x isn't done or it's just a vanilla relationship with a few fantasies thrown in



Is dismissal strict enough for you? Because I am not going to have a sub manipulate me into being his or her fantasy strict domme, I also don't want to have to wrestle for control all the time, if it is D/s then I shouldn't have to enforce it, it should be offered gradually with the growing trust.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/26/2010 7:44:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze


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that fact that you expect thing x done may make you strict to some, but there has to be consequences if x isn't done or it's just a vanilla relationship with a few fantasies thrown in



Is dismissal strict enough for you? Because I am not going to have a sub manipulate me into being his or her fantasy strict domme, I also don't want to have to wrestle for control all the time, if it is D/s then I shouldn't have to enforce it, it should be offered gradually with the growing trust.


is dismissal for inappropriate behavior a consequence?

the one willing to end the relationship first has most of the power




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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/26/2010 8:07:41 AM   
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See above my reply, if somebody would repeatedly try to wind me up or behave inappropriately, I would point it out once, maybe twice, then it's done and over.

More effective and less nerve wrecking than rewarding bad behaviour with attention and punishment.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/26/2010 12:49:31 PM   
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Strict to me means that it's the Master's Way, all the time, no questions asked.  Which is really how a Master/slave / Dom/sub relationship should be. 

Now there are many times when a submissives' opinion is taken into account, but this doesn't mean that they get control all of a sudden. 

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/27/2010 3:06:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Minotauros

The only thing that I can say right now would be that I don't have experience in a D/s relationship. On the other hand this isn't limited to a D/s relationship. I would have to figure out what the source of a problem is and then find a way to help with that. This is part of every kind of relationship where you care for someone.



Now that's the comment I would expect from someone who is naturally dominant, who seeks the responsibilities of the relationship more than the rights. But I have to tell you, that most people do not feel they need to take responsibility to fix their partners problems. Moreover, they don't want that responsibility and they will resent being made to feel like the parent instead of the spouse.


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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/27/2010 3:23:58 PM   
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I trained under a leather lady with her friends...
There was dizipline if I messed up and there was structure there was protocal...I knew my place when with her. Was she strict....ya. It was ok...I got beyound *myself* I think most that ask for ONE have no clue what they are getting into -L- Its NOt for everyone however it can be intoxicating...

Now that I am on the otherside...naw, I am not that strict. Could I be...of course. I am older now and what works between us will do....for now. Since she is new.....she gets away with alot LOL

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/27/2010 6:16:40 PM   
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Minotauros, I felt I wanted to point out something in particular about your phrasing, no one else seem to catch on to it, I normally don't like to block quote too much text, but I don't want to take what you said out of context. You said, "
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Would you agree if I said a strict master is someone who keeps the sub in a "small mental cage"? Don't give much room to move or for interpretation. Always enforce these rules unless there are good reasons not to do so (e.g. sickness).
This is done by providing a basic set of rules that are "easy" to follow. Add a couple of hard rules. This will keep the sub on its toes. The more rules the smaller the cage.
The rules have to be matched with the particular sub.



Now, I agreed with a few things, so please don't think I'm being "snarky", I agreed that some rules do have to be matched from Dom to sub, not every person is capable of being everything else to one person. Please be careful of your use of the term "it's" when refering to a submissive, this sort of implies that you are dehumanizing us already, and I don't know about other subs that are out there, but I'm always very leery of men who use "it" terms when implying a female is involved. I know you are new, so I'm taking that into account, and I don't want to appear mean, but on the other hand, when I saw the wording used, I could help but feel that was a Freudian slip on your part (perhaps an subconcious desire).

I do agree, a strict master or Dom would be someone who kept someone in a small mental cage, and it would be quite unfair I feel. It's one thing to be kept at arms length phyiscally, but no one likes their mental freedom to be kept in question, people can accept the physical far more than mental bondage and I wouldn't try testing that assumption, for you may end up on the losing end of that one. You are correct in considering the health of the sub, but to say that she should follow all "orders" or commands unless she is sick, kind of implies that you are only thinking of yourself and not the overall picture. If you are not thinking about her well-being all the time, even when you ask something "different" than the usual, then perhaps you should reconsider if you are at a good place right now to be a good Dom to anyone. Taking care of someone else is not for people who are rushed for time [not saying you are, just my general observation] and it's not for someone who is arrogant,brash, or over-whelmed with a flood of emotions. All of us have been there, when we first admitted who we really were, but it's not always a good thing to go jumping off the bridge into shark infested waters, one thing, if you are prepared and are in a steeled caged for doing so [to use a bad analogy haha]. I'm just saying to try to take your time, to figure things out, really think about what other people are looking for, and if you can realistically do the things you think you can. You might find physical application to be much tougher than just dreaming about it.

Again, I'm not trying to offend you, or flame you, but I just wanted you to be a little more aware of how you are coming across to others at times. Though, I think you are getting better, you seem to genuinely want to adjust, and that is honestly a rare thing.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/28/2010 2:45:31 AM   
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Now, I agreed with a few things, so please don't think I'm being "snarky", I agreed that some rules do have to be matched from Dom to sub, not every person is capable of being everything else to one person. Please be careful of your use of the term "it's" when refering to a submissive, this sort of implies that you are dehumanizing us already, and I don't know about other subs that are out there, but I'm always very leery of men who use "it" terms when implying a female is involved. I know you are new, so I'm taking that into account, and I don't want to appear mean, but on the other hand, when I saw the wording used, I could help but feel that was a Freudian slip on your part (perhaps an subconcious desire).


Sorry for that. If you read my previous posts you see that I used he/she instead if it. Somewhere in this thread I slipped from "the male submissive/the female submissive" to "the submissive". I remember when I wrote that. I read a lot of posts and for some reason I got the impression that it is okay to refer to a submissive by using "it". This is definitely not the where I want to go.

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I do agree, a strict master or Dom would be someone who kept someone in a small mental cage, and it would be quite unfair I feel. You are correct in considering the health of the sub, but to say that she should follow all "orders" or commands unless she is sick, kind of implies that you are only thinking of yourself and not the overall picture. If you are not thinking about her well-being all the time, even when you ask something "different" than the usual, then perhaps you should reconsider if you are at a good place right now to be a good Dom to anyone. Taking care of someone else is not for people who are rushed for time [not saying you are, just my general observation] and it's not for someone who is arrogant,brash, or over-whelmed with a flood of emotions. All of us have been there, when we first admitted who we really were, but it's not always a good thing to go jumping off the bridge into shark infested waters, one thing, if you are prepared and are in a steeled caged for doing so [to use a bad analogy haha]. I'm just saying to try to take your time, to figure things out, really think about what other people are looking for, and if you can realistically do the things you think you can. You might find physical application to be much tougher than just dreaming about it.


When I said he/she should follow all orders I implied that the Dom knows what he does. If the sub is sick the dom wouldn't ask for something he/she can't do. The Dom would check the rules that are in place and suspend those that can't be done. A good Dom would never ask a submissive to do something he/she isn't capable of or doesn't want to do. So to me a good Dom should have the well-being of the sub in mind when he/she gives an order, something severe changes in the life of the sub or the Dom.

When I said small mental cage I meant something relative. The rules in place should give the sub safety and the room to grow. For one it might be strict if the rule is "Don't chew on your nails". For someone else it might be strict to control when he/she wakes up, wears, eats, does and when to go to bed. Both might say this is strict and both might want exactly that.


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Again, I'm not trying to offend you, or flame you, but I just wanted you to be a little more aware of how you are coming across to others at times. Though, I think you are getting better, you seem to genuinely want to adjust, and that is honestly a rare thing.


I am no offended at all. I am here to learn. As I said before, I do not have real experience. So I want to be prepared as good as possible when I go to the first munch. I checked out the local groups and when I feel I am ready I will attend one and talk to the people there. From there I will see where it takes me.

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RE: What is a strict master/mistress/dom - 12/28/2010 8:16:30 PM   
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@Subs: If some of you would write something like this I'd like to hear why. Bad experience or do you actually have something particular in mind?


Greetings Minotauros,

I see the term from a subjective standpoint and believe the recipient's interpretation may differ from the dominant party delivering the "strict" brand of ownership they're seeking. Nonetheless it provides a reasonable springboard but it isn't a descriptor I'd utilize in that capacity. While I have a great affinity for persons that are definite in their demands and expectations, its difficult to ascertain at a distance and can be easily mimicked through anonymous correspondence.

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