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Termyn8or -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 12:03:18 AM)

"Nobody fucking cares? You care alot about other people."
 
OK. You have taken my worst, and come through OK, this is good.

Off the cuff that sounds like a pretty good conbination, and since you came up with it, you have to come up with the way to "combinate" it. Let's go with that, at least for a time. As a paralegal you get familiar with the law whether you like it or not. Remember you picked it. So then as a paralegal you would be responsible for filing files, at times in cabinets, but usually electronically. This seems to fit well.

Also off the cuff as a human resources professional you would be responsible for matching need with the source, mainly talent with demand. There are other aspects of it, but deal with them later. That is the basic deal. Human resources means hiring really, but there are many aspects of that, like examining the school systems of an area in which your company would like to relocate and being involved with those decisions. Indirectly of course, but if you want real satisfaction it does lie in the adoptance of your own ideal, always.

So think of it now, into the future. You might not have a law degree but you're a key "Man" at the "Firm". Your team wins, consistently, and you help provide the ammunition. You know it and they don't know that you know it. Then you enter the game. You let them know you know it - by your absence. See what happens. They don't win so much because they don't got a "girl" like you to look into these things, to examine things from a different angle, and in time to suggest new presentments.

Now you are looking at becoming a rich bitch. Hacking away at some dog job is not the way to get ahead, think outside the box. Break the mold. To fight with them only will hurt you, there is little to gain, and it simply is not worth it. It is just something you have to bear right now, if you can look ahead, it may be well worth it just to shutup for now, you know it don't come easy.

You reached out before, and some called you a whiney bitch, me included. That is because you did not look into the future. I was a stupid asshole half of my life, and when I woke up I found that at least then, I had made the right decisions, that I had made the right choices. Look at craigslist in cleveland ohio and find the technical jobs. My old job is there right now, $20/hr. to start. It is right there. I made more than that there. You look at jobs now that used to pay even $30/hr. they now pay about $15.I made the right choice, but the good times are over in that whole industry.

Now it is your turn. Go for it. If those two fields are what you like, at least it's a start. I know your job sucks, well...............

Kick your ass into second gear and get moving. And you know what ?

YOU'LL LOVE IT ! Every fucking minute of it if you do good. You'll be on top of the world. Because when you gain value, you gain power.

But never forget that I didn't get to where I got by fighting. That company, mail me for the name, offered me $30/hr. takehome, they pay all taxes plus free transportation which is 92 miles per day, and I turned them down. I left them on good terms a few years ago and they just recently paid for a subscription to a private membership on the web.

You TAKE control, it is never given. (but that is only in business)

T



KatyLied -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 5:00:17 AM)

You could always get a tutor for the stats class.  Why discount a major because of one class?



Termyn8or -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 5:05:10 AM)

Katy, easy now, imagine my statement directed at you. Giver a bit of time. Don't pke the kitten with a fork right now.

In other words, shaddup, and I mean that in the most polite way. Are we here to help one another or to deride and chide each other ?

T



angelikaJ -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 5:13:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Katy, easy now, imagine my statement directed at you. Giver a bit of time. Don't pke the kitten with a fork right now.

In other words, shaddup, and I mean that in the most polite way. Are we here to help one another or to deride and chide each other ?

T


But Termy, she makes a good point.
dbg doesnt need to get an A in the class, she just needs to pass it.
If that is the only thing holding her back then she is tossing a lot away on something that is far likely manageable even with her math issue. Maybe she will have to take it twice AND have a tutor... she still could probably do it. To say I can't get a degree because of one class?






KatyLied -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 5:13:09 AM)

Don't tell me to shut up, seriously.  Have you read her posts?  She does this for attention.  She makes excuses for every solution thrown her way.  I bet she will have a ton of excuses as to why it is no feasible to hire a tutor for a math class she finds challenging,  Sometimes the cat begs to be poked with the stick.  It's called "public humiliation kink".



Termyn8or -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 5:18:53 AM)

OK, sorry about that, but it fit at the time. I'm just saying that we can't expect changes overnight.

Actually, anyone, when I say shaddup, or STFU, or anything like that I am either joking, or damn close to it. OK ?

T



KatyLied -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 5:21:05 AM)

[:)]



pahunkboy -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 7:11:03 AM)

Yeah Katy- the whole balance of civilization- and the free world rests on this very matter!


HA



barelynangel -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 7:25:42 AM)

I don't get the combination of paralegal and HR.  If you want to go into HR then do so.  Most company's have separate counsel for their legal issues or in house counsel that doesn't have anything to do with the HR department.  If you are interested in HR, then focus on HR.  Go in and see people in your HR department, tell them you are interested in possibly pursuing a career in HR.  Ask them what they would recommend for you education wise, career wise.  Let them know you'd be interested in submiting a resume if a position opens up. Talk to people.  Go to a college with HR degree and tell them what you want to do and tell them what you have under your belt -- i.e., what you have already done in college and see if they can help you come up with a plan. As fir stats, again, you are leading with the can'ts and there is a saying -- if you say you can't, you are right.

I wouldn't waste time trying to put two careers under your belt, i would focus on what you want to do.  IF you are interested in legal, then do the same as i suggested above only with the legal field. 

I will tell you this much -- the biggest thing you will need to move up in any career you do is ---- not be a complainer, not think you deserve special treatment and whine to get it.

You seem to have more CAN'T in your vocab than CANs.  And i will tell you this also, company's want to hear the CAN's not the CAN'Ts.

angel



defiantbadgirl -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 7:57:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

You could always get a tutor for the stats class.  Why discount a major because of one class?


Several reasons. A bachelor's degree requires a passing grade in college algebra. To get to that point, I would first have to pass basic algebra and intermediate algebta. Then statistics. That's four math classes I'd have to pass for a bachelor's in human resources, not one. I attempted basic algebra once and was unsuccessful, so I dropped the class before it could ruin my GPA. I'm terrible at anything beyond basic math, but I've seen people who can't multiply or divide without a calculator and don't even know single digit multiplication tables. My Sir got A's and B's in algebra so he's good at math and he got a D in statistics. A fucking D. I've heard so many students complain about stats I'm convinced hardly anyone gets a decent grade in it. I got an A in public speaking, a class I thought I would flunk because of fear. So it's not like I wasn't trying in college. My overall GPA at a community college I attended a few years ago was a 3.87, so I'm not an idiot except in math. The 18 month human resources program at the trade school only requires passing one math course - business math, not stats. Also, a bachelors takes four years, which costs too much. I am not willing to graduate with $60,000 in student loan debt in this economy. The trade school and community college with the paralegal program together wouldn't put me more than $30,000 in debt. Probably less.

edited to add:

Sir tried helping me with algebra many times. We found that while he's good at figuring it himself, he can't explain it to me so I can understand it. Same issue with tutors. My grandmother, a school teacher, was very good at explaining math. Unfortunately, she died years ago.



barelynangel -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 8:08:31 AM)

DBG, you make $8 an hour, you could get a lot of financial aid and probably scholarships if you look hard enough and still go for a bachelors.  With the credits you have from the CC, you won't have to take that much in a bachelors because you probably have most of the "general" classes done. 

I am a paralegal and i have never taken any classes with regard to being a paralegal.  I really don't know how these paralegal programs benefit people.  But then again i have 15 years of experience under my belt also.  But the women i know who go through paralegal programs still need to start at the bottom.  I am towards the top of a pay scale for my field and i don't have a paralegal certificate.  Company's want experience.   You will be competing with a lot of people just so you know.  Its a huge field and only the best get paid the big bucks and they are headhunted many times.  Otherwise, most people are average - lower salary.    Believe me, many places are hiring paralegals at admin salaries and then saying its a combined job.   I know a few people who got caught in that. FYI.  So you will be doing a lot of admin stuff, and you had said earlier you can't do stuff like that -- has that suddenly changed?

I am not trying to drop your high you have going, but i think you should research a little more of what company's are looking for before you start dropping money into something you may not need.

angel



wandersalone -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 8:37:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

On a more positive note, at least someone with involuntary manslaughter on their criminal record will have an easier time finding a job (when they get out of prison) than those with no criminal record due to affirmative action.


Weren't you dying of cancer a while ago and talking about your funeral? You may not have time to serve any of your jail sentence.

I do love your posts if only for the gigantic leaps you make between fact and fiction

and yes, I read your cryptic comment earlier about how the cancer thing is still being investigated which is a far cry from omg I need to write a will and may wake up dead tomorrow which is what we were lead to believe.  [8|]

as for your job idea, first you said that a Bachelors degree was out of the question due to the maths requirement.  Later you added a few more reasons...all of them seem to be covering the real reason which is that you don't want to do the degree.  Be honest with yourself if not with us.

Like angel I don't see the point of combining paralegal with HR.  Having worked in an area closely related to HR and OH&S for well over a decade I can tell you  that you don't need a legal background to be able to ensure that staff are working within legislative requirements etc. 

Your best bet would be to get an entry level admin job in HR.  Also for any type of HR management job you would need very good admin skills so you need to work out if your carpal tunnel (has that been clinically diagnosed?) would preclude you from doing the job.



defiantbadgirl -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 9:13:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

DBG, you make $8 an hour, you could get a lot of financial aid and probably scholarships if you look hard enough and still go for a bachelors.  With the credits you have from the CC, you won't have to take that much in a bachelors because you probably have most of the "general" classes done. 

I am a paralegal and i have never taken any classes with regard to being a paralegal.  I really don't know how these paralegal programs benefit people.  But then again i have 15 years of experience under my belt also.  But the women i know who go through paralegal programs still need to start at the bottom.  I am towards the top of a pay scale for my field and i don't have a paralegal certificate.  Company's want experience.   You will be competing with a lot of people just so you know.  Its a huge field and only the best get paid the big bucks and they are headhunted many times.  Otherwise, most people are average - lower salary.    Believe me, many places are hiring paralegals at admin salaries and then saying its a combined job.   I know a few people who got caught in that. FYI.  So you will be doing a lot of admin stuff, and you had said earlier you can't do stuff like that -- has that suddenly changed?

I am not trying to drop your high you have going, but i think you should research a little more of what company's are looking for before you start dropping money into something you may not need.

angel


The paralegal program I was looking at is ABA certified and probably wouldn't cost anything with grants since it's at a community college. The total cost (not per year or per semester) of the 18 month program at the private school is under $30,000. My goal is to work at a smaller company, not a big corporation in a large city. I thought with training in both paralegal and human resources, I would stand out to small or medium size businesses because they're always looking to save money and I'd be one person who could do two jobs. The idea is to make finding a job as easy as possible. You're right about my credits at the previous community college. For an associates degree, I'd have to pass basic algebra, intermediate algebra, biology, and music appreciation. I've already taken and passed all the others. Music appreciation is easy and while I'm uncertain how difficult college biology will be, I'm sure I can get through it. It's the math I'm worried about. Sir has tried and I've talked to several tutors. So far, I haven't found anyone who can explain it in a way I can understand it. Maybe the methods used to teach math have changed alot since my grandmother taught school years ago idk. So I came up with the idea of avoiding math as much as possible when training for any career. I'm looking to succeed, not fail.



defiantbadgirl -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 9:43:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: wandersalone

first you said that a Bachelors degree was out of the question due to the maths requirement.  Later you added a few more reasons...all of them seem to be covering the real reason which is that you don't want to do the degree.  Be honest with yourself if not with us.



If I didn't want an education, why did I attend college a few years ago? If I was trying to fail, why was my GPA a 3.87? The only reasons I gave against obtaining a bachelor's degree were the math requirements and graduating with $60,000 in student loans. I need good inexpensive training for a job I'll be good at without being a debt slave for the next 30 years.





barelynangel -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 9:55:58 AM)

While you can try it, i really don't believe you would "stand out" as many people do "two jobs" when they are in administration.  You won't stand out because you can do more than one focus in a job.  This day and age, too many people are multi-focused because many companies try and combine positions and overlap is expected.  You stand out because you are good at what you do and you are an assett to the company.  Find something you are good at and excel at it.

But i have to say DBG, the way you speak in this and other threads, i doubt you would willing to do TWO jobs for a company for the price of one? From what i have seen you post, you may start off being willing but you would soon become bitter and start believing the company owes you something and you are somehow special.  I mean this thread is a huge example, if you have two skills, the company will be willing to take advantage of same and they won't want to pay you extra and they will have demands that you may not appreciate.  And not all admins and paralegals are paid OT many of them are salaried. If you go to a company and say -- hire me for this and i will bring to it this, they will expect you to provide it.

Your best bet is start calling these company's that match what you believe you would want to work within, and ask them if they would see it as an assett for a HR employee to be a paralegal. As them why, and see what they say.  Make sure there are demands for it before you put the time, effort and expense into something based on a belief you haven't explored.

I advocate paralegal over the HR concept, to me paralegal will expand your possibilities more than HR.  Because most HR departments aren't that big and if its a good company, there isn't a lot of turn over in the department, which means you may wait a long time to "rise up"  Paralegals are dual admins which means you can expound and explore more.  Work on that and see where it takes you before putting more money into a very specific concept such as HR.  Then you can focus your paralegal work within HR and business attorneys, and see if you like it.  You can get experience of what HR is about by doing the law.  This way you get paid to explore, if you decide you don't like HR, you can go to another practice of law and learn about that.  You may find you enjoy it so much you want to go to law school.  And decide 60K to finish your bachelors is acceptable when you are going to become an attorney.

You can go ahead and spend money on a trade school for HR, i am just trying to give you some idea of what you may want to do prior to dishing out $30K on what seems like a whim.

angel



JstAnotherSub -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 10:11:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl


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ORIGINAL: wandersalone

first you said that a Bachelors degree was out of the question due to the maths requirement.  Later you added a few more reasons...all of them seem to be covering the real reason which is that you don't want to do the degree.  Be honest with yourself if not with us.



If I didn't want an education, why did I attend college a few years ago? If I was trying to fail, why was my GPA a 3.87? The only reasons I gave against obtaining a bachelor's degree were the math requirements and graduating with $60,000 in student loans. I need good inexpensive training for a job I'll be good at without being a debt slave for the next 30 years.





Then pick something already.  You shouldn't be asking folks on here what you should do.  Find out what is close and a job you could do and jump in.  File clerk, holdin signs for construction crews, clerk at schools, hell become a grouchylunchlady.

I am a high school dropout, who got a GED, (not bragging about the dropout part, just stating the facts), and it took me a while to find something I make a decent living at AND I look forward to going to work every day.  After years working in a school cafeteria, I got divorced, and tested for the management program.  Got in, year of training and I am on my 5th year as a manager, at a school I call paradise.

There are as many, or possibly more, jobs available for those without degrees.  Look around, get in at the lowest rank they have, and work towards something.

But, no matter what you do, your attitude can make it easier or harder.  That is the only thing I can see that you have going against you.

Being a "defiantbadgirl" might be a cool thing with your domly one, but in most of the real world, it doesn't get you any points except towards bitchdom.



susie -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 2:35:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

I understand how your own situation makes it difficult to feel compassion for others. I don't know what your religious views are, but if you believe in any kind of afterlife, you really need to work on that. You have my sympathy whether you want it or not. Why does your Master expect you to cook, clean, run your house, and take care of him in your condition? He should be taking care of you. Have you asked your doctor to prescribe sleeping pills? A strong immune system is very important when fighting cancer. Not getting enough sleep weakens the immune system.



dbg, you are so wrong in your views. I still feel compassion for those that have genuine health issues. I certainly do not believe in an afterlife but that does not stop me believing that you have one life and you do the best you can with it.

My Master does NOT expect me to cook and clean and run the house. I do. I will not give in tocancer and I expect to carry on as normal as much as possible. The last thing I want is for anyone to treat me as if I am incapable of looking after myself. I may have been unlucky with my health but I am lucky to have a fantastic family, great friends and a partner that I love and who loves me. I don't see that I have anything to complain about at all in my life.

Perhaps it is time for you to re-evaluate your views on life.



angelikaJ -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 2:57:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

You could always get a tutor for the stats class.  Why discount a major because of one class?


Several reasons. A bachelor's degree requires a passing grade in college algebra. To get to that point, I would first have to pass basic algebra and intermediate algebta. Then statistics. That's four math classes I'd have to pass for a bachelor's in human resources, not one. I attempted basic algebra once and was unsuccessful, so I dropped the class before it could ruin my GPA. I'm terrible at anything beyond basic math, but I've seen people who can't multiply or divide without a calculator and don't even know single digit multiplication tables. My Sir got A's and B's in algebra so he's good at math and he got a D in statistics. A fucking D. I've heard so many students complain about stats I'm convinced hardly anyone gets a decent grade in it. I got an A in public speaking, a class I thought I would flunk because of fear. So it's not like I wasn't trying in college. My overall GPA at a community college I attended a few years ago was a 3.87, so I'm not an idiot except in math. The 18 month human resources program at the trade school only requires passing one math course - business math, not stats. Also, a bachelors takes four years, which costs too much. I am not willing to graduate with $60,000 in student loan debt in this economy. The trade school and community college with the paralegal program together wouldn't put me more than $30,000 in debt. Probably less.

edited to add:

Sir tried helping me with algebra many times. We found that while he's good at figuring it himself, he can't explain it to me so I can understand it. Same issue with tutors. My grandmother, a school teacher, was very good at explaining math. Unfortunately, she died years ago.


A state school should not leave you with a $60K debt. You are an older student and live on relatively low income. You should be eligible for financial aid programs and grants.

I am not sure a human resources certificate will give you the same advantage as a degree.

You make have had bad luck with tutors but if your grandmother could explain math in a way that you got then it is possible for you to learn with the right teacher or tutor. I still think you are selling yourself short. Many schools have math labs... and you could work at the basics of algebra even now before you even go back to school with some sort of computer tutorial program. That way you could go at your own pace and really once you do get the basics down the other stuff may be much more manageable than you think.






DMFParadox -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 5:10:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I guess you could always start your own company. Then you could set the rules.


YES. Please, please listen to this.

The rate of American business owners has dropped significantly, with all the implications that that entails. Less jobs because there is less competition in the business sphere. Less middle class. Less opportunity, less liquidity, and less you can do about it when your company says "It's a policy, it's just one meeting/one further creeping effort to make your life a shithole for fun and profit - DEAL WITH IT."

Don't deal with it. Do what it takes to be an employer. A better employer. With a better business model and better service offering, and do much better for yourself than you would as an employee. Do this. Is it a pain in the ass to start a business and manage it successfully? yes. But for that, I will roundly endorse the phrase DEAL WITH IT, because it benefits you, me, and everyone else in this country if people like you don't take shit lying down but deal with it in a positive way.

And for christ sakes that does not include suing your employer. Be their competition!



DMFParadox -> RE: Is there a law on length of time between shifts? (12/30/2010 5:18:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ


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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

You could always get a tutor for the stats class.  Why discount a major because of one class?


Several reasons. A bachelor's degree requires a passing grade in college algebra. To get to that point, I would first have to pass basic algebra and intermediate algebta. Then statistics. That's four math classes I'd have to pass for a bachelor's in human resources, not one. I attempted basic algebra once and was unsuccessful, so I dropped the class before it could ruin my GPA. I'm terrible at anything beyond basic math, but I've seen people who can't multiply or divide without a calculator and don't even know single digit multiplication tables. My Sir got A's and B's in algebra so he's good at math and he got a D in statistics. A fucking D. I've heard so many students complain about stats I'm convinced hardly anyone gets a decent grade in it. I got an A in public speaking, a class I thought I would flunk because of fear. So it's not like I wasn't trying in college. My overall GPA at a community college I attended a few years ago was a 3.87, so I'm not an idiot except in math. The 18 month human resources program at the trade school only requires passing one math course - business math, not stats. Also, a bachelors takes four years, which costs too much. I am not willing to graduate with $60,000 in student loan debt in this economy. The trade school and community college with the paralegal program together wouldn't put me more than $30,000 in debt. Probably less.

edited to add:

Sir tried helping me with algebra many times. We found that while he's good at figuring it himself, he can't explain it to me so I can understand it. Same issue with tutors. My grandmother, a school teacher, was very good at explaining math. Unfortunately, she died years ago.


A state school should not leave you with a $60K debt. You are an older student and live on relatively low income. You should be eligible for financial aid programs and grants.

I am not sure a human resources certificate will give you the same advantage as a degree.

You make have had bad luck with tutors but if your grandmother could explain math in a way that you got then it is possible for you to learn with the right teacher or tutor. I still think you are selling yourself short. Many schools have math labs... and you could work at the basics of algebra even now before you even go back to school with some sort of computer tutorial program. That way you could go at your own pace and really once you do get the basics down the other stuff may be much more manageable than you think.


Every week my buddy and I get together to do math for fun. Also because I too struggle with algebra and trig, even despite the fact that I've got a fucking lock on proof theory, set theory and other areas of higher mathematics. Just because trig is 'lower' mathematics doesn't mean it's easier.

As we've gone on I've discovered that there's a world of people out there who do the same thing. Mathematicians are like freaky creative types with their own culture and hangouts. Find them; love them.

Alternatively, start a Meetup group or something; mathaholics anonymous.

You will find that the time between 'OMG WTF DOO I DO" and "PWNED THE SCHOOLINZ" is considerably shortened if you have a crew of enthusiastic nerds egging you on.



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