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KenDckey -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 5:10:01 AM)

DHS has taken down all their illegal immigrant information except for some old stuff.   It all came about about the same time that AZ did SB 1070.   But  in 1996 according to DHS California had 40% of all illegals.   AZ ranked 7th. Check out the 96 stats at

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/illegal.pdf

I still think we should mine our borders, turn out all the stray dogs between the fences and put up machine gun towers to guard the border and make it a weapons free area.  Then if you want in, you can follow the law.

All law abiding (that means they did it the LEGAL way) are welcome.




Moonhead -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 5:22:07 AM)

That raises another point: might elements of the Republican party prefer that large numbers of Mexican immigrants are illegals, as that makes them a lot easier to scapegoat and generally stereotype as untrustworthy professional criminals who want to steal your job, shoot you, and gang rape your daughter?




TheHeretic -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 6:28:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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The media just makes it all up...


Suddenly he trusts the media.



I'd love to have that conversation, Muse. Of course, what with the holidays and all...




rulemylife -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 7:34:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I still think we should mine our borders, turn out all the stray dogs between the fences and put up machine gun towers to guard the border and make it a weapons free area.  Then if you want in, you can follow the law.

All law abiding (that means they did it the LEGAL way) are welcome.



There you go Ken.  Good thinking!  And we can use this as the model.  I can hardly wait till we can provide such freedom and security for our beloved Homeland.



The Berlin Wall wasn't built all at once. It evolved from a barbed wire fence to a pair of 12- to 15-foot (3.7- to 4.6-m) concrete walls studded by guard towers and gun emplacements. The walls were topped by a round tubelike structure that made it difficult to get a handhold. Some areas were strewn with land mines. Angular chunks of steel known as tank traps were placed in key areas to prevent vehicles from driving through the wall or any gates in the wall.
[image]http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/berlin-brandenburg.jpg[/image]
John Waterman/Fox Photos/Getty Images
Barbed wire in front of the Brandenburg Gate, circa 1962. The sign warns that if you pass this point you leave West Berlin.



Before people ever reached the wall, they first had to contend with rows of coiled barbed wire. Powerful search lights swept over the entire area, even lighting up the west side of the wall. The gap between the two walls, which was 30 to 100 yards (27 to 91 m) wide, created a no-man's land that was patrolled by tanks and soldiers. Guards marched and military vehicles drove up and down a concrete road in the "death strip," which allowed them to respond quickly to any escape attempts. To improve visibility for the guards, sand or gravel was kept neatly raked to show footprints and the wall was painted white. On the western si­de, West Germans could walk right up to the wall itself, and they decorated it with graffiti.

In the 1980s, advances in technology allowed for automated security systems at the wall. Some areas were trapped with trip wires. Anyone who walked into such a wire would trigger a spray of bullets from an automatic gun emplacement, or the detonation of a nearby land mine. If escapees themselves were armed, the guards could fire on them from the protection of concrete pillbox fortifications.
[image]http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/berlin-guard.jpg[/image]
J Wilds/Getty Images

(How the Berlin Wall Worked)








popeye1250 -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 7:49:16 AM)

Rule; "Hey, I know what I'll do, compare it to the Berlin wall! That's kinda close!"
"If you paint an apple orange..."
"I just had a stroke of genious, if someone disagrees with us we'll just call them "Nazis!"




rulemylife -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 8:04:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

The Dream Act was passed by the house and had a majority vote in the Senate, but was help up by a minority of Republican Senators.



A "minority of Republican Senators" cant hold anything up.


I have to wonder Willbeur, why do you make comments like this when you obviously know it is not true?

Do you think if you just say this nonsense that you'll convince enough people who don't know any better into believing it is true?




rulemylife -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 8:16:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Rule; "Hey, I know what I'll do, compare it to the Berlin wall! That's kinda close!"
"If you paint an apple orange..."
"I just had a stroke of genious, if someone disagrees with us we'll just call them "Nazis!"


That's definitely your type of genius Popeye, because everyone knows the Nazis built the Berlin Wall. [8|] 




truckinslave -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 8:26:05 AM)

It's hard for me to take seriously someone who compares a wall meant to keep people political prisoners with one meant to maintain some weakened concept of sovereignty/nationality. I didn't respond to him for a reason... there's no reasoning with someone whose understanding of the world is that deeply flawed.




rulemylife -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 8:26:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

Realclearpolitics is just another right wing website.I might as well get my news from "Fixed"news.Only CNN and MSNBC are unbiased.


Did you bother to look at his link before dismissing it?

Obviously not, since it was from MSNBC.







rulemylife -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 8:45:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

It's hard for me to take seriously someone who compares a wall meant to keep people political prisoners with one meant to maintain some weakened concept of sovereignty/nationality. I didn't respond to him for a reason... there's no reasoning with someone whose understanding of the world is that deeply flawed.


It's hard for me to take seriously someone who doesn't have the balls to respond to me directly.

Whether to keep people in or out, the poster I was responding to is advocating the same inhumane and barbaric methods.







KenDckey -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 9:05:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I still think we should mine our borders, turn out all the stray dogs between the fences and put up machine gun towers to guard the border and make it a weapons free area.  Then if you want in, you can follow the law.

All law abiding (that means they did it the LEGAL way) are welcome.



There you go Ken.  Good thinking!  And we can use this as the model.  I can hardly wait till we can provide such freedom and security for our beloved Homeland.



The Berlin Wall wasn't built all at once. It evolved from a barbed wire fence to a pair of 12- to 15-foot (3.7- to 4.6-m) concrete walls studded by guard towers and gun emplacements. The walls were topped by a round tubelike structure that made it difficult to get a handhold. Some areas were strewn with land mines. Angular chunks of steel known as tank traps were placed in key areas to prevent vehicles from driving through the wall or any gates in the wall.
[image]http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/berlin-brandenburg.jpg[/image]
John Waterman/Fox Photos/Getty Images
Barbed wire in front of the Brandenburg Gate, circa 1962. The sign warns that if you pass this point you leave West Berlin.



Before people ever reached the wall, they first had to contend with rows of coiled barbed wire. Powerful search lights swept over the entire area, even lighting up the west side of the wall. The gap between the two walls, which was 30 to 100 yards (27 to 91 m) wide, created a no-man's land that was patrolled by tanks and soldiers. Guards marched and military vehicles drove up and down a concrete road in the "death strip," which allowed them to respond quickly to any escape attempts. To improve visibility for the guards, sand or gravel was kept neatly raked to show footprints and the wall was painted white. On the western si­de, West Germans could walk right up to the wall itself, and they decorated it with graffiti.

In the 1980s, advances in technology allowed for automated security systems at the wall. Some areas were trapped with trip wires. Anyone who walked into such a wire would trigger a spray of bullets from an automatic gun emplacement, or the detonation of a nearby land mine. If escapees themselves were armed, the guards could fire on them from the protection of concrete pillbox fortifications.
[image]http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/berlin-guard.jpg[/image]
J Wilds/Getty Images

(How the Berlin Wall Worked)







The pictures I took are in color  much better   From my personal observations it was a great deturant.   Course I only spent 4 years there.




KenDckey -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 9:06:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Rule; "Hey, I know what I'll do, compare it to the Berlin wall! That's kinda close!"
"If you paint an apple orange..."
"I just had a stroke of genious, if someone disagrees with us we'll just call them "Nazis!"


That's definitely your type of genius Popeye, because everyone knows the Nazis built the Berlin Wall. [8|] 



ROFLMAO   That is like yeah    lol  A great number of them were in the Hitler Youth in the early times.       nice comparison   ROFLMAO




calamitysandra -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 9:22:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey


The pictures I took are in color  much better   From my personal observations it was a great deturant.   Course I only spent 4 years there.



You are an idiot.

'Course I spent only my life here.




rulemylife -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 9:40:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

ROFLMAO   That is like yeah    lol  A great number of them were in the Hitler Youth in the early times.       nice comparison   ROFLMAO



I really have no idea what you are trying to say here. 

Maybe some periods and commas would be a step in the right direction.

The Hitler Youth??????  So what is it you are trying to suggest?  That the remnants of Nazi ideology were responsible for the Berlin Wall?

As far as the comparison, I think it is very apt.  You are advocating the exact same methods, nearly word for word.




Charles6682 -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 10:30:54 AM)

Flordia is talking about passing a law that is simliar to Arizona.There is a big difference though.See,Flordia get's alot of tourist from Canada and Europe,so Flordia want's to make an exception for those people.Some how,people who "look" Canadian or European would not have to deal with this new "Arizona" style law.It would most basically apply to anyone who is spanish.Wow,now that is racial profiling if I ever heard of it.




Lucylastic -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 11:48:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

It's hard for me to take seriously someone who compares a wall meant to keep people political prisoners with one meant to maintain some weakened concept of sovereignty/nationality. I didn't respond to him for a reason... there's no reasoning with someone whose understanding of the world is that deeply flawed.


quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Rule; "Hey, I know what I'll do, compare it to the Berlin wall! That's kinda close!"
"If you paint an apple orange..."
"I just had a stroke of genious, if someone disagrees with us we'll just call them "Nazis!"

Ken Stated before in this post regarding the berlin wall and the US border
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3501707

and again
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3501733
Sooo those of you looking to say  RML is comparing it to the berlin wall should maybe read before they post.I believe Ken is quite proud of his arrogant ignorance.






willbeurdaddy -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 12:19:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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2. A "minority of Republican Senators" cant hold anything up.


Check the facts. Its all about the cloture rule. A minority of Republicans also blocked health care funding for 1st Responders at the scene of 9/11 until John Stewart exposed them, after which they did an about face.

The Senate as it is now set up can pretty much block all legislation that can't muster a super majority of 60 votes.


Wrong on both points. It would have taken unanimity of Republican Senators, not a minority of them to block cloture. And if you think Jon Stewart had the slightest thing to do with the "about face" you're delusional. He doesnt have enough audience for anyone to give a shit what he thinks. The GOP said nothing would get done until the tax cuts were resolved. They were resolved and the vote happened. (As I said it would long before Stewart opened his mouth.)




popeye1250 -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 12:55:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Rule; "Hey, I know what I'll do, compare it to the Berlin wall! That's kinda close!"
"If you paint an apple orange..."
"I just had a stroke of genious, if someone disagrees with us we'll just call them "Nazis!"


That's definitely your type of genius Popeye, because everyone knows the Nazis built the Berlin Wall. [8|] 



Rule, you compare the Berlin Wall with,.....illegal immigration in the U.S.? Ergo proptor hoc.
I could compare a Mack truck to a Cevrolet and I'm sure there'd be some similarities there right? Wheels, an engine?
And in case noone told you the point of the Berlin wall was to keep people,..... "in."




KenDckey -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 1:46:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

ROFLMAO   That is like yeah    lol  A great number of them were in the Hitler Youth in the early times.       nice comparison   ROFLMAO



I really have no idea what you are trying to say here. 

Maybe some periods and commas would be a step in the right direction.

The Hitler Youth??????  So what is it you are trying to suggest?  That the remnants of Nazi ideology were responsible for the Berlin Wall?

As far as the comparison, I think it is very apt.  You are advocating the exact same methods, nearly word for word.



Rule   You said the Berlin Wall was built by the Nazi   I just agreed with you saying a lot of those young people were in the Nazi Youth.  




KenDckey -> RE: Republicans & Immigration (12/29/2010 1:55:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey


The pictures I took are in color  much better   From my personal observations it was a great deturant.   Course I only spent 4 years there.



You are an idiot.

'Course I spent only my life here.



Really   I thought thousands and thousands crossed the city Sectors before the wall went up, then there were like what 40,000 total escapes (including the wall) into the FRG and   Not many at all compared to prewar levels where they could travel freely between sectors.  That is what 6 or 7% of the total that escaped the DDR?     Seems to me to be a deterant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_attempts_and_victims_of_the_inner_German_border




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