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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 6:49:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: michaelGA2

because men may have the balls, but women have the brains...LOL


Back on our negative nellie, downwards anti self, anti male spiral are we michael??? Pity, I thought you had got past that...



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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 6:56:19 PM   
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 6:59:05 PM   
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Now while I do find modern feminists attempts to figuratively castrate strong men as objectionable.......I doubt that they can really bring any truly capable man to heel.


I wouldn't say that all modern feminists are motivated by a hatred of men or a desire to castrate them, or even necessarily by any disrespect or dislike at all for males and masculinity.

I want the right to go forth as a human being and be treated the same as any other human being, paid the same for the same work and be given the same opportunities.  I want to succeed or fail in the real world based on the merits of my actual ability and not on whether my sex organs are "innies" or "outies".  This does not mean I want to castrate men.  But it does mean I could fairly be called a "modern feminist" by many standards and definitions of the word.   I'm not campaigning against men so much as for women, or more accurately for human rights that are irrespective of gender.

There are some extremely hateful, angry and bitter people out there who hate all men or all women because of the bad actions of a few.  I feel sorry for them, but I'm not one of them. 

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 7:01:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's as near to a view I come on the whole Male/Female Supremacy debate.

I don't believe one sex is better automatically, but I've definitely seen more women I would deem inferior. Mostly, in terms of mental stability, big thing for me. I've never seen a  man completely freak out at work and have a break down. I've seen women do this. I've never seen a man leave work, because of girlfriend problems, I've seen this mental breakdown several times. I've never seen a man ask for help as a general course of action, but it seems some women do this as par for the course, though don't even think about how it interfers with others work. I've never seen a man complain he can't wear shorts to work that let his ass hang out, either. These are just examples from the workplace I've noticed.

Of course, generally the men and women that are rational and competent dislike these women and there male counterparts equally.

So, my view is it's about 66/33 Men versus Women acting like adults, and not having the 3 old me, me, me. Mentality.

So, is it possible for a woman to be superior to a man, yeah, in lots of instances, but in general I'd say at least in real life, where there actions affect me, men tend to act much more mature. Your mileage may vary. This is my experience though.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 7:02:30 PM   
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I wouldnt choose the option if male supremacy was there, but why the double standard? Why is it okay for a woman to be a chauvinist but not a man? To choose the lifestyle interest in your profile, you can choose to be a female supremacist but were is the option for male supremacist?

I believe in equally, I believe in fair play. No gender is superior than the other. I just find it stupid. Choose female supremacy all you want, I dont care. What bothers me is, where is the option for men?
 
Nick female supremacy is a longstanding kink, belief, lifestyle, dynamic, whatever and is as valid d/s desire as the 1950's housewife model screeds of male doms and submissive women seek out for themselves, and as much a d/s dynamic as owner/property, master|mistress/slave, and as a d/s model FS is an available for option in profile checklists.  
 
Perhaps if it infuriates you so, you could suggest to the powers that MS be included in the profile checklist and see if there is infact a demand for it.  It might prove a fruitless exercise.  Most submissive women speak of equality and do not see their male dominant or master as a superior and them inferior.  Rather an equal who they have allowed to have authority over them. 
 
Whereas those who seek FS do wish to be thought of as an inferior to the fem superior ...not your cup of tea, sweet, believe in equality all you want...but for those who are into it, male and female (and females who seek to serve powerful women who embodied FS) it is very much a valid and desired kink.
 
I personally don't see having FS available as an option as anything to do with inequality or as there been a double standard on Collarme ... they have simply catered to the many various kinks out there ...of which MS does not seem to be warranted at this point.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 7:04:36 PM   
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There are extremists in any group. I have never had a problem with any process done in moderation. People are just people-and I have as much contempt for overt male supremacists, as I do for female ones.

Femism is a positive aspect. it's moving everyone up the ladder economically and politically-it's had an amazing impact in the last 40 years.

What I object to is those who seem to be seeking revenge on past wrongs..........I don't excuse those,simply state that two worngs don't equal a right.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 7:05:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Female Supremacy does not make sense to me.

Male Supremacy does.

(Wouldn't it just be ok to leave it to personal beliefs?)

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 7:11:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TakingYou1

Well...the reality is that EVERYTHING about women is a double-standard. A minister's wife blows him away and she gets an outpouring of sympathy and support from the nation. A woman gets pulled over for speeding and avoids the ticket. Etc., etc., etc. Women, like children, are miserable when they don't have any accountability or structure. Has anyone known a self-proclaimed "feminist" to be actually happy or content? What they really need are liberal spankings.


Ok... two reactions upon reading this... 1) YOU'RE SO RIGHT about women "getting away" with killing, etc... ie that chick in Texas who drowned all her children - isn't she out of prison on some technicality??? 2) and then... a moment later (upon reading your line about liberal spankings) I swooooooned.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 7:13:44 PM   
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 7:21:07 PM   
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 I've never seen a  man completely freak out at work and have a break down.  

Nope, he just goes to the bar after work and then when he gets home beats on the wife and kids. 

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  I've never seen a man ask for help as a general course of action,

Nope, he'd rather do it wrong than lower himself to asking for help.

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  I've never seen a man complain he can't wear shorts to work that let his ass hang out, either.

Actually, I've never seen a man or woman complain about anything, but I've heard them.


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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 7:30:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou
I don't believe one sex is better automatically, but I've definitely seen more women I would deem inferior. Mostly, in terms of mental stability, big thing for me. I've never seen a  man completely freak out at work and have a break down. I've seen women do this. I've never seen a man leave work, because of girlfriend problems, I've seen this mental breakdown several times. I've never seen a man ask for help as a general course of action, but it seems some women do this as par for the course, though don't even think about how it interfers with others work. I've never seen a man complain he can't wear shorts to work that let his ass hang out, either.


Other than the complaining about shorts that let the ass hang out, I have seen men do all these things and more in the workplace.  There are plenty of whining, immature, selfish, shallow, mental three year olds out there of both sexes. 

Men and women do tend to have different coping and communication styles, and both of these styles may possibly appear incorrect, unenlightened or immature to the other gender.  It makes sense to a woman to build networks, to promote teamwork and cooperation, to communicate extensively, to ask freely for help and advice, to negotiate a win-win business model and to listen thoughtfully to the needs and opinions of others.  It makes sense to a man to get his work done by himself, to compete in a win-lose business model, to only ask for help or advice if the alternative is utter failure, and to pay more attention to hard data than to morale in the workplace. 

Under some circumstances, the female business model works best and following the male model is likely to result in less real-world success.  Under other circumstances, the male business model works best and trying to go with a female style of management or communication isn't going to work effectively.  Intelligent people can be flexible enough to recognize and respect both of these models and possibly to use either one depending on circumstances.


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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 7:34:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe in equality and I'm not sure female supremacy is as accepted as you may think. Last time I checked it seemed that the male half of the population has been controlling things. I truly have to say I can't say they've done an outstanding job of it either. I think people are finally starting to wake up and smell the coffee, that not all men are qualified to be in charge simply because they have a cock and balls. I have never understood why alot of women feel they have to be in awe of some guy simply because he's male. lol
You have to have something between the ears in order to run things for the betterment of ALL. Not just one half of the genders. Women have been kept under boot long enough, its time to stand up and be the equal half of the world we were always meant to be.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 8:44:57 PM   
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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 8:51:53 PM   
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To choose the lifestyle interest in your profile, you can choose to be a female supremacist but were is the option for male supremacist?


That's because male supremacists fall under the name Gorean. Female supremacists...though I personally hate that term...fall under the heading of Domme.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 8:56:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MontaukDaisies

Female Supremacy does not make sense to me.

Male Supremacy does.

(Wouldn't it just be ok to leave it to personal beliefs?)


By definition it already *is* a personal belief. Similiarly, I tell my Myth students the definition of "mythology" is *other* people's religion. Our personal religious belief, of course, is "faith."


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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 8:58:21 PM   
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To choose the lifestyle interest in your profile, you can choose to be a female supremacist but were is the option for male supremacist?


That's because male supremacists fall under the name Gorean. Female supremacists...though I personally hate that term...fall under the heading of Domme.


As Puella and Padraig so wisely pointed out, Gorean and male dom or female dominant is not quite the same as male supremacy or female supremacy.

You could argue that they may fall under the same general heading, but there's a subtle difference.  A male dominant or a female dominant would not necessarily believe that theirs was the One True Way, or even necessarily the best way, for everyone of their gender and orientation.  A male or female supremacist would. 

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 10:23:18 PM   
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All you have to do is look around you to find male supremacy.  Most governments and major corporations are headed by men.  It goes way back to time immorial.  In my limited knowledge, one of the last societies that was matriarchially based was the old Celtic societies.  Family lineage was passed down from the mother because you can always prove someone's maternity.  The ancient Romans invaded what is now England and forced their patriarchal religious believes on people who practiced a polytheisitic, Earth-centered, Goddess based religion and the people were forced to conform to a monotheistic, male-dominated religion.  I blame the ancient Romans for the current mess. 



Oh brother... someone needs a history lesson.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 10:40:27 PM   
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I wouldnt choose the option if male supremacy was there, but why the double standard? Why is it okay for a woman to be a chauvinist but not a man? To choose the lifestyle interest in your profile, you can choose to be a female supremacist but were is the option for male supremacist?

I believe in equally, I believe in fair play. No gender is superior than the other. I just find it stupid. Choose female supremacy all you want, I dont care. What bothers me is, where is the option for men?



Umm, because while some men like to THINK they're superior to women, while women actually ARE superior to men?

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 10:59:23 PM   
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The ancient Romans invaded what is now England and forced their patriarchal religious believes on people who practiced a polytheisitic, Earth-centered, Goddess based religion and the people were forced to conform to a monotheistic, male-dominated religion.  I blame the ancient Romans for the current mess. 



When the ancient Romans invaded what is now England, they didn't have a monotheistic, male dominated religion.  They were polythiestic, in fact pantheistic, themselves.  At the time of Claudius' conquest of England, and for a couple of hundred years thereafter, Rome contained temples to and worshippers of just about every god and goddess that had been invented in Western Eurasia and Northern Africa up until that time.  They were quite tolerant of the religeous practices of their subject peoples with two notable exceptions: the monotheistic Jews because of their practice of revolting against the Empire, and the Druids because of their practice of human sacrifice.

Monotheistic Christianity didn't become the official religion of the Empire until well after the suppression of the Druids.

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RE: Why is female supremacy accepted but not male supre... - 4/30/2006 11:03:31 PM   
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