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Contraband - 12/27/2010 6:36:09 PM   
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/12/bootleg_lightbulbs_coming_to_c.html
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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 6:57:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		But might that reduce the carbon imprint?

Term, and I have to breath you know.   and when they spew carbon isn't this global warming?

Why or why not?

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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 7:03:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now they'll have to remove Thomas Edison from the history books and kill more trees.

See how that works ?

Incidentally IIRC this is to take place nationwide in 2012 isn't it ?

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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 7:04:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		This issue is a non issue.  decorator bulbs will still be able to be bought.  Do you realize how many fixtures are  decorator?

1/2 in some homes.

PS-  the ban I understand will be national - yup.


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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 7:12:25 PM   
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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 7:18:37 PM   
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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 7:19:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

As California goes, so goes the rest of the country. This happens everywhere else in the US next year.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC9sEAqEjxs   this fits this thread!!!

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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 7:28:06 PM   
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Time to stock up on incandescents.


It's interesting how casually the liberals, who at least tacitly support this sort of nanny-statism, plan to just get around the laws that they find inconvenient.

Being a free enterprise minded conservative, I'm thinking the money will be in smuggling.

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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 7:31:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, I'm a liberal, and I think this is just insanely stupid. I'm also for just chipping along the fault line and shoving that entire state into the ocean. Just think of how many lightbulbs that will get rid of! Not to mention all the idiots.

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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 7:31:57 PM   
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Time to stock up on incandescents.


Look what the cat dragged in.  You  YOU YOU!

Welcome back.

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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 7:34:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Term, and I have to breath you know.   and when they spew carbon isn't this global warming?"

If your lightbulbs are spewing carbon there is something wrong with them. I am an electronics expert and can say that for sure.

Kidding aside though, they are either malicious or idiots. Manufacturing CFLs is alot nastier than incandescents, though they do last longer. They produce less heat, wasting less energy. I have just about all CFLs in the house with a few exceptions. One is an IQ bulb, if you can't find info on that lemme know and I'll fill you in. Another was a fixture in the upstairs apt. that was on a light dimmer. It had three 100 W high output incandescents bulbs in it, but the dimmer almost never went higher than halfway, so they lasted a long time despite not being the long life type. A 120 volt bulb fed with only 40 volts does that.

What alot of people don't realize though is that a heavily loaded triac based high efficiency dimmer cheats most electrical meters. Specifically the older mechanical type, of which many are still in use. This is not because of the inertia of the armature, but the bearing load. Half wave rectification not only does that, but results in a small, temporary but constant field which increases bearing load. My Uncle and cousin did some experiments on this. All you need is to connect a 400 amp rectifier to the heating coils of an electric furnace. This makes it run longer due to lower output but results in a stronger magnetic "bias". However they didn't cut math and found that the blower motor running longer offsets the savings.

I don't know what "they" know, or more specifically what "they" don't know. After the DHMO scam, I tend to think that "they" are not as smart as many think. But it does make it difficult to figure out their true motives.

For one I never understood why the electric companies here would sponsor programs to help people save electricity. It is equally puzzling why the gas company would want anyone to insulate their house. But then it's just one of those things that don't seem to make sense. Even money doesn't make it make sense, so the only thing left is stupidity. Stupidity is very hard to predict, therefore backfiguring the motive is also difficult.

There are a few things that may never make much sense, one would need to embrace the same perspective as "they" do. Not easy. For example, oil companies seem to have more lobby money than car manufacturers and have for some time. As such, how would you explain CAFE regulations ?

"They" being so stupid would not be so bad if "they" weren't so productive.

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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 7:36:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since I read this, I've been looking for a paper I read about a year ago about the costs in "carbon footprint" that results in the recycling of the eco friendly lightbulbs. The paper totalled the increased energy use in the production of these bulbs, the recycling costs, damage to the environment when the bulbs are not recycled, transportation costs(made in China), and actual energy use. Any guesses on what the result was?

If I find that paper, I will post the link here.

I just can't see being mandated to use something that contains more toxic materials than I would like in my home. It is recommended that if you break one of those bulbs you evacuate the room for 15 minutes.

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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 7:38:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well- from now on- we should make EVERYTHING illegal- everything.  It is illegal- UNLESS it is specifically legal.




...as silly as this sounds we are on the doorstep of exactly that.

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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 7:44:13 PM   
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I'm also for just chipping along the fault line and shoving that entire state into the ocean.



We'd lose about a quarter of the state (geographically) that way, not the whole thing, but if you can come up with a way to make it happen, I'm in. An ocean view would quickly put my property values high enough to sell out and move someplace much greener.

There are not currently any 100 watt bulbs in use in my house, though I do have a 4-pack of them in the cupboard.

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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 7:56:51 PM   
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I'm also for just chipping along the fault line and shoving that entire state into the ocean.



We'd lose about a quarter of the state (geographically) that way, not the whole thing, but if you can come up with a way to make it happen, I'm in. An ocean view would quickly put my property values high enough to sell out and move someplace much greener.

There are not currently any 100 watt bulbs in use in my house, though I do have a 4-pack of them in the cupboard.


Said cupboard- is near a fault line.

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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 8:05:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		"though I do have a 4-pack of them in the cupboard. "

AHA ! That makes the cupboard a criminal tool and subject to confiscation.

Now it's all clear, the measure was sponsored by remodelers and cabinet makers.

LOL

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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 8:05:40 PM   
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Said cupboard- is near a fault line.




To be accurate, Pahunk, it is sandwiched between two great big fault lines, and the light bulb supply in the cupboard is the least of my worries if either of them pops a 7+.



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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 8:30:56 PM   
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Time to stock up on incandescents.


It's interesting how casually the liberals, who at least tacitly support this sort of nanny-statism, plan to just get around the laws that they find inconvenient.

Being a free enterprise minded conservative, I'm thinking the money will be in smuggling.



You can search far and wide for any post I ever made supporting a nanny-state. You won't find one.

Dude, that was rather below you.

I agree the money will be in smuggling. I also think it is a rather silly answer to energy conservation.



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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 9:44:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did say "tacitly," Jeff. My reply was intended more to the sentiment you expressed, than to you personally. It isn't the first time I've seen it.



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RE: Contraband - 12/27/2010 9:58:57 PM   
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But enough of that. Let me know if you want to but a few light bulbs.

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