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PyrotheClown -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 12:31:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

I think it should be legal to grow poppies, too. Poppy tea is an old folk remedy in many parts of the world, particularly Eastern Europe.


Poppies are not illegal.  Here you can get 100 of them for $2.  Organic, yet.  http://www.amazon.com/Organic-White-Poppy-Papaver-Somniferum/dp/B000SONX0W/ref=pd_sim_ol_4


Are you being ironic, or just picky that he didnt specify opium poppies?

even the wild California yellow poppy got some potent chemical in them, just not enough to be worth the fuss




Moonhead -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 5:21:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I think we should declare San Francisco the drug capital and send all the druggies there for counseling.   Might work.   

Didn't you try that back in '67 and '68? I don't think it worked very well from most accounts...


We got some great music out of it....


True dat.




flcouple2009 -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 5:38:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

So if it worked but cost more that wouldn't be OK?  It would be better to keep pissing money down a failed hole?




I don't know what the hell you are talking about, Flco. I doubt it would be possible for a treatment based system to cost more than we wasting on a policy that isn't only a failure, but makes the condition worse.


Geez forget what you typed already?

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
It would have to work better, and cost less, than the failed policies we have been following here for the last 40 years, Tazzy.


So once again,  it wouldn't be ok to pay more for something that actually worked?




TheHeretic -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 6:43:09 AM)

Are you stoned, stupid, or just so locked into a partisan identity that the stroke warnings start going off in your head at the thought of agreeing with me, Flco? I'm pointing out two positives of such a change. There are more benefits besides those two. It isn't going to cost more, so why even go there?




tazzygirl -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 6:47:27 AM)

So, back to the OP.

The premise, as i understand it, is that drug possession is still a crime. But that, upon admitting you are addicted, you are taken to rehab and not jail.

I can see the potential for cost savings. I can also see the potential for abuse.




DarkSteven -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 6:54:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Are you stoned, stupid, or just so locked into a partisan identity that the stroke warnings start going off in your head at the thought of agreeing with me, Flco? I'm pointing out two positives of such a change. There are more benefits besides those two. It isn't going to cost more, so why even go there?


Unfortunately, drugs are almost as charged a topic as abortion.  Even if something is wildly beneficial, if it enrages too many people with political clout, it ain't gonna happen.

In other words, legalization needs a good sales job.  Even with the obvious

1. It reduces the demands on cops and courts' time and lets them focus on other things.
2. It kills a major revenue source for organized crime.
3. It lowers the cost of drugs and thus removes a driver for ID theft, burglary, and other crimes.
4. It's an easy revenue source when taxes are added,

politicians are still terrified to be labeled "soft on crime". That'd be as unfashionable as claiming that the whole TSA needs to be cut back as it's hassling travelers and not really enhancing security - any pol suggesting that would be out next election.




DarkSteven -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 6:57:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

I think it should be legal to grow poppies, too. Poppy tea is an old folk remedy in many parts of the world, particularly Eastern Europe.


Poppies are not illegal.  Here you can get 100 of them for $2.  Organic, yet.  http://www.amazon.com/Organic-White-Poppy-Papaver-Somniferum/dp/B000SONX0W/ref=pd_sim_ol_4


Are you being ironic, or just picky that he didnt specify opium poppies?


They ARE opium poppies.  They are papaver somniferum, and the description is "Afghan poppies". 





flcouple2009 -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 9:39:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Are you stoned, stupid, or just so locked into a partisan identity that the stroke warnings start going off in your head at the thought of agreeing with me, Flco? I'm pointing out two positives of such a change. There are more benefits besides those two. It isn't going to cost more, so why even go there?


Don't get angry baby, you said it.

Would it not be ok if it cost more but worked?

I would settle for costing the same and not working any better.  I don't actually see how anything could possibly work worse.




EternalHoH -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 9:45:26 AM)

The corporate "colonels" in our drug war won't allow that. Who will give them the next trillion for their 'weapons systems' (private prisons)?




LVnewDom -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 10:07:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Are you being stupid in not realizing that Papaver somniferum are opium poppy seeds?

http://www.ethnobotanicals.com/opium-poppy-seeds.html


I was commenting on DS's error, since opium poppies are illegal to grow under Schedule II.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 1:57:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

I think it should be legal to grow poppies, too. Poppy tea is an old folk remedy in many parts of the world, particularly Eastern Europe.


Poppies are not illegal.  Here you can get 100 of them for $2.  Organic, yet.  http://www.amazon.com/Organic-White-Poppy-Papaver-Somniferum/dp/B000SONX0W/ref=pd_sim_ol_4


Are you being ironic, or just picky that he didnt specify opium poppies?


They ARE opium poppies.  They are papaver somniferum, and the description is "Afghan poppies". 


Those are SEEDS. Seeds are legal to possess. P. somniferum poppies are not.




tazzygirl -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 2:14:48 PM)

100 Organic White Afgan Poppy Seeds Papaver Somniferum

And if you had clicked on the link, you would have seen that the site was selling SEEDS




tazzygirl -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 2:16:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LVnewDom


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Are you being stupid in not realizing that Papaver somniferum are opium poppy seeds?

http://www.ethnobotanicals.com/opium-poppy-seeds.html


I was commenting on DS's error, since opium poppies are illegal to grow under Schedule II.


A new nic, huh willbe?

Doesnt surprise me in the least.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 3:57:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

I think it should be legal to grow poppies, too. Poppy tea is an old folk remedy in many parts of the world, particularly Eastern Europe.


Poppies are not illegal.  Here you can get 100 of them for $2.  Organic, yet.  http://www.amazon.com/Organic-White-Poppy-Papaver-Somniferum/dp/B000SONX0W/ref=pd_sim_ol_4


Are you being ironic, or just picky that he didnt specify opium poppies?


They ARE opium poppies.  They are papaver somniferum, and the description is "Afghan poppies". 




Post 38:

"Poppies are not illegal".

WRONG Opium poppies are illegal.

You usually dont have this much trouble with 2 statements.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 3:59:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: LVnewDom


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Are you being stupid in not realizing that Papaver somniferum are opium poppy seeds?

http://www.ethnobotanicals.com/opium-poppy-seeds.html


I was commenting on DS's error, since opium poppies are illegal to grow under Schedule II.


A new nic, huh willbe?

Doesnt surprise me in the least.


Doesnt surprise you that Im moving to Vegas and getting out of this state before Brown totally sinks it? Ive said it before, so it shouldnt be a surprise.




tazzygirl -> RE: Portugal, the answer to the war on drugs? (12/30/2010 4:01:03 PM)

DS's post was about poppy seeds.

Nice backstroke there, willbe.




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