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RE: Legal Marijuana? - 12/30/2010 9:31:26 AM   
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Remember when cigarettes had NO chemicals? IF K2 had remained a pure, earth grown product Im certain it would still be legal.



If K2 had remained a pure, earth grown product it wouldn't of been called K2, it would of been called natural canabis and natural canabis is ilegal.


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RE: Legal Marijuana? - 12/30/2010 10:09:26 AM   
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To OP Chas.....

Did you ever wonder why pot is illegal in the first place ? Really, if a bunch of guys sit down with the dictator of a country and they talk about what the herd should be allowed, why ever would pot be banned ? Like locoweed for horses or catnip for cats.

Well there are two reasons. The first is that paper, oil and drug companies had to shut it down. Hemp has many uses. Canibas Sativa has almost a myriad of drugs in it that can cure some diseases, and treat many others. In fact it is legalized for the few, for glaucoma and cancer patients, but only because to do otherwise would be seen as abuse by the majority, and even that took decades. People were born into it, they have no fucking right to tell you what to grow, smoke or drink or eat for that matter.

Pot calms you down. After a nice fattie you are no longer thinking about getting ahead of the Jones', having a bigger car, a louder stereo (exceptions exist) or a more powerful lawnmower, sawzall or a higher chain link fence. This hurts the ECONOMY. You see it is their economy not our's. They treat it with respect and we are nothing but cogs in the machine.

Hemp is also very useful in industry, and would significantly cut into the hegenomy of the King petroleum. Hemp can produce the aromatic components, the fibrous content and the vehicle (look up paint) for the production of plastics that are cheaper (it's a weed), and more durable (they love it when you break things, buy another) and longevity (it breaks itself). Petroleum based plastics are a waste, truly. And Ken is going to be here telling me I am full of shit, but that's CM. I'd get the fuck rid of him if he wasn't so much fun. But these are facts.

Oh, I mentioned the paper industry did I ? Well I guess I am compelled to expound on that. Ummm, the Constitution is written on hemp paper.

Bookum Danno, send those 535 assholes where they belong, and I don't mean jail,  TO THE GALLOWS.

One day you may know for sure that I am not kidding, not even in the least. Not one iota of kidding in this statement. Line them up and shoot them. Fuck them. They have no right to deprive us of a WEED. A WEED. Not weed, A WEED. It used to grow all over the place. Nature put it there and they took it away so we would have no alternative but to BUY their PRODUCTS.

Same with Hearst, remember Patty ? That's what her Daddy did. Big money. Money that helped to keep pot illegal no matter what the People think. And they are not the problem, the bribe givers (lobbyists) are not the problem. It is the bribe takers who are the problem (your elected officials).

Want more ? Just ask.

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RE: Legal Marijuana? - 12/30/2010 11:50:56 AM   
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I never said this stuff should be unregulated.It should be regulated in a proper way.If the FDA actually finds something dangerous about this product,then I agree it should be pulled from the shelves.However,that is not what has happened.What has happened is that the DEA now realizes people have found another way to get a legal buzz and they don't like that.I dont really care for this incense anyways.Its not my kind of high.

Personally,I agree with the crowd that says REAL MARIJUANA SHOULD BE LEGAL.I think there have been more than enough studies on real cannabis.Holland has had the right idea for decades,as mentioned earlier.However,theres just too many special interests who have a claim in keeping real marijana illegal.The alcohol industry,the rehab industry,law enforcement officers who like to meddle in peoples personal lives.The good news is that more and more people are starting to realize the truth about marijuana.Hell,even Pat Robertson has finally figured it out.If even he can figure it out,then I assume almost anyone can figure this out.I agree with alot of what you have said Termy.Perhaps your more vocal about it than I am but I do agree with general ideas you have mentioned.

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RE: Legal Marijuana? - 12/31/2010 7:06:18 PM   
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This K2 sounds like Indiana ditch weed. It looks, smells and tastes great. They just let it grow in the ditches because it simply doesn't get you high. People buy dirt weed and mix it with this stuff for salability. Doesn't matter much if you put it in blunts, but conoseisseurs don't want it. It's a waste of time.

Legal or illegal I don't care. If it becomes legal then it's taxed. So instead of paying the people who do a job by bringing it in we would pay some beaurocracy to fuck with us more, to make sure everything is properly regulated - in their eyes. You want to be regulated that's fine, but I might still go into the dark alley to get the good stuff, no warning labels, on ID, no registry, no nothing. And while I'm there I can pick up some 100W lightbulbs.

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RE: Legal Marijuana? - 12/31/2010 7:48:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

The problem with K2 is its partly made up of synthetic cannabinoids and because our natural cannabinoids receptors (yes most of us have them) are particularly complex, they don’t team up well with synthetic cannabis. This can lead to complications like heart palpitations and shortness of breath instead of  that chilled out feeling that natural cannabis brings. Fortunately K2 has now been banned in the UK and I personally think it should be banned world wide.
I do however, think that natural cannabis should be legalised. We often go to Holland, where cannabis is legal. Its strange walking into those little shops where a cannabis expert is mixing blends and a well dressed gentleman is advising people about a drug that is illegal in most other countries in the western world. They have cafes (brown cafes) where people sit openly smoking a joint with their coffee. Interestingly Holland doesn’t have the drug problem that we have here in the UK. The crime rate is so low that they are closing prisons down! Personally I don’t smoke but I would far rather sit with a bunch  of dope smoking people than a bunch  of people getting high, loud and aggressive on alcohol.




Ohhhh god, I wanna go to Holland just one day for sooo many reasons

no idiotic drug laws, beautiful cities, and the one of the most bicycle friendly country on earth

if I ever do go there, I'm not too sure that I'll ever leave

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RE: Legal Marijuana? - 12/31/2010 10:43:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

quote:

ORIGINAL: vixenkneels

Remember when cigarettes had NO chemicals? IF K2 had remained a pure, earth grown product Im certain it would still be legal.



If K2 had remained a pure, earth grown product it wouldn't of been called K2, it would of been called natural canabis and natural canabis is ilegal.

Would HAVE. Would HAVE. "Of" is not a verb.


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RE: Legal Marijuana? - 12/31/2010 10:46:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PyrotheClown


quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

The problem with K2 is its partly made up of synthetic cannabinoids and because our natural cannabinoids receptors (yes most of us have them) are particularly complex, they don’t team up well with synthetic cannabis. This can lead to complications like heart palpitations and shortness of breath instead of  that chilled out feeling that natural cannabis brings. Fortunately K2 has now been banned in the UK and I personally think it should be banned world wide.
I do however, think that natural cannabis should be legalised. We often go to Holland, where cannabis is legal. Its strange walking into those little shops where a cannabis expert is mixing blends and a well dressed gentleman is advising people about a drug that is illegal in most other countries in the western world. They have cafes (brown cafes) where people sit openly smoking a joint with their coffee. Interestingly Holland doesn’t have the drug problem that we have here in the UK. The crime rate is so low that they are closing prisons down! Personally I don’t smoke but I would far rather sit with a bunch  of dope smoking people than a bunch  of people getting high, loud and aggressive on alcohol.




Ohhhh god, I wanna go to Holland just one day for sooo many reasons

no idiotic drug laws, beautiful cities, and the one of the most bicycle friendly country on earth

if I ever do go there, I'm not too sure that I'll ever leave
Holland is just one of several "states" in the Netherlands. Drugs are not legal there. Many of the cities are trashed out with graffiti and garbage in the canals.


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RE: Legal Marijuana? - 1/1/2011 5:43:07 AM   
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"[cue up Twilight Zone theme]"

I always wanted to learn how to play that.

Perhaps this is the point of confusion :

"Hemp is also very useful in industry, and would significantly cut into the hegenomy of the King petroleum. Hemp can produce the aromatic components, the fibrous content and the vehicle (look up paint) for the production of plastics that are cheaper (it's a weed), and more durable (they love it when you break things, buy another) and longevity (it breaks itself)."

Fingers flew. The word plastic has nothing to do with the substance used in practically everything. Plastic's meaning is actually a state of matter which is pliable, shapeable, changable. What we call plastic was dubbed that because of those properties. It is now made cheaply from petroleum, although there are certain other ingredients. It depends on the type of plastic, and there are many types.

Most of the strongest plastics are in the thermoset category, in that they are more durable, but they are more difficult to recycle. But being thermoset they are alot more stable and therefore last alot longer, and one of the main reasons is because when formed they are pretty much done outgassing. Over time all plastics outgass, and most of the cheaper types become very brittle. They, in effect, dry out like a twig.

Constant pressure will bend plastics, even the thermosets, and the cheaper plastics bend more easily. Some are quite elastic and return to their shape, others do not. It's all in the formula. But harder, stronger, more long lasting plastics are more expensive. In mass production they use the cheapest plastic that will do the job.

A good type of plastic could be made purely from hemp. Actually the best would be a melding of the fibrous part of the hemp with petroleum based solvents, or vehicles, or whatever you want to call it.

Hemp, and it's different forms can replace many things derived from more expensive, monopolized sources. Highly monpolized sources.

They really never gave much of a shit if we got high in the beginning. It just turned into a way for governments to make money, to get it on the action.

T

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