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Consider too that the Brits are inherently obedient to the Crown.

You seem more fixated with the Crown than any of the Brits on here.

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But the problem is (or rather was) that, having relatively recently (from their point of view) emerged from a colonial war, they saw good reasons to enshrine the “right” of an individual to bear arms; in and of its time this wasn’t an especially bad thing, but unfortunately it’s one of the few areas of the Constitution that suffers through historical context; in a modern society there is simply no reason whatsoever why a person needs, or indeed should be allowed, to carry a firearm for personal “protection”. None. Now of course you've ended up in a situation, courtesy of that Constitutional “right”, where the argument for the private ownership of firearms becomes a product of, and is enabled by, the fact that there are now so many of them in the “wrong” hands that citizens feel insecure enough to want and need to carry them in return, but that’s a fallacy of incorrect logic – one needs to start with the premise that people should not be permitted guns in a modern age and work back from that.

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However, the fact that I don't think America is going to wake up to the problem doesn't mean that I can’t see what the problem is; all the other policies and methods for containment and improvement start with the erroneous assertion that it’s ok for private citizens to own and carry firearms, and therefore, being based on an incorrect logic, they (the policies and “solutions”) are doomed to failure.

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Again, that cuts both ways.

Spell that out for me, please. I'm all ears.

K.

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And there's the problem - you're starting from a flawed premise, borne of your own personal bias. Your premise is not a fact, but an opinion. No matter which direction you work from that flawed premise, it will inevitably lead to a flawed conclusion.

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Yes, sadly tourists are victims of the scum in our country, but that because of the fact that they are likely to be clueless and carrying expensive items as well as cash and the means to get it, the same here as tourists anywhere in the world, but here, the plod act when a tourist is attacked, as tourist protection is a number one priority due to the fact that tourists we depend on and need not frighten away. But the plod can't be everywhere all of the time, as the citizens of the country know full well so crime sadly is a fact of life, the trick here as anywhere in the world, is not make yourself attractive to the scum in society, have responsibility for your own actions.

I was in Amsterdam a good few years ago, sitting outside a "coffee" shop one mid-morning and relaxing in the spring sunshine. In Amsterdam, most of these “coffee” shops were in or near the red light area, giving it what used to be a pleasantly bohemian atmosphere, although it was also clearly the sort of area where you wouldn’t parade your wealth. I used to just wear my black leather biking jacket and jeans, not shave for a day or two, and people left me pretty much alone.

The bar chap returned with my coffee just as a bloke walked past. Now I try not to stereotype, but this bloke could have been lifted from the pages of "Stereotypical American Tourist Monthly"; dreadful plaid trousers, fat as butter, booming voice, small, shrill wife ... and four (count em, four!) cameras round his neck, and all of them Canon. I'm a pretty keen photographer, so I recognised not one, but two Canon A1 bodies, one with a stock 50mm and one with a medium tele lens fitted, an AE-1 with what looked like a wide angle, and something else Canon flavoured I couldn’t quite see well enough to tell what it was ... bear in mind that, at the time, the A1 was about as pricey as amateur photography got, and the AE-1 wasn’t exactly cheap either. He had a gold Rolex on, and she was absolutely dripping with gold jewellery too.

They waddled past the “coffee” shop, nodding politely to the bartender and myself as we gazed in amazement, we waved in return, and they toddled on their merry way.

The barman looked at me, I looked at the barman, we both laughed, and he said “I bet any money you like they won’t have a good day”. I didn't take that bet.

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Yes, sadly tourists are victims of the scum in our country, but that because of the fact that they are likely to be clueless and carrying expensive items as well as cash and the means to get it, the same here as tourists anywhere in the world, but here, the plod act when a tourist is attacked, as tourist protection is a number one priority due to the fact that tourists we depend on and need not frighten away. But the plod can't be everywhere all of the time, as the citizens of the country know full well so crime sadly is a fact of life, the trick here as anywhere in the world, is not make yourself attractive to the scum in society, have responsibility for your own actions.

I was in Amsterdam a good few years ago, sitting outside a "coffee" shop one mid-morning and relaxing in the spring sunshine. In Amsterdam, most of these “coffee” shops were in or near the red light area, giving it what used to be a pleasantly bohemian atmosphere, although it was also clearly the sort of area where you wouldn’t parade your wealth. I used to just wear my black leather biking jacket and jeans, not shave for a day or two, and people left me pretty much alone.

The bar chap returned with my coffee just as a bloke walked past. Now I try not to stereotype, but this bloke could have been lifted from the pages of "Stereotypical American Tourist Monthly"; dreadful plaid trousers, fat as butter, booming voice, small, shrill wife ... and four (count em, four!) cameras round his neck, and all of them Canon. I'm a pretty keen photographer, so I recognised not one, but two Canon A1 bodies, one with a stock 50mm and one with a medium tele lens fitted, an AE-1 with what looked like a wide angle, and something else Canon flavoured I couldn’t quite see well enough to tell what it was ... bear in mind that, at the time, the A1 was about as pricey as amateur photography got, and the AE-1 wasn’t exactly cheap either. He had a gold Rolex on, and she was absolutely dripping with gold jewellery too.

They waddled past the “coffee” shop, nodding politely to the bartender and myself as we gazed in amazement, we waved in return, and they toddled on their merry way.

The barman looked at me, I looked at the barman, we both laughed, and he said “I bet any money you like they won’t have a good day”. I didn't take that bet.

RF, travelled to the US much? We do the same thing where I live. It's quite a snotty posh WASPY area here, lots of sailboats, old money, blue blood veins that run back to the Mayflower and 8,000 plus s.f. summer homes, whose owners have surnames like Stewart ( as in Martha) the DuPonts, Rockefellers, Kennedy's, etc. When the cheap, and slovenly attired "eurotrash" roll into town in the summer, the seer sucker brigade has to bite their tongue as well, while looking askance at their inappropriate attire and boorish behavior.

You really musn't get all of your ideas about American tourists from Chevy Chase movies, and my neighbors here on the coast might stop referring to those unfortunate misbehaving eurotrash, it really serves neither side does it?

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I am inclined to agree it just so happens that I was born here soo...my point was that  there are just as many snotty little hedge fund pricks and elitists and bourgie and yuppy monied types right here that mock the Europeans that flock to my little corner of the world from June til September ad by labor day we are quite fucking happy to see some of them go. Especially the ones that still haven't figured out American driving or our system of gratuities. The anti-americaism on some of these thread would be better tolderated if it were at least originak, I find it hard to believe every American tourist that the Briuts ecounter is overweight and has dreadful shoes amd 5 cameras any more than every Brit tourist we get has gnarly teeth, pasty complexions and a penchant for abysmal cuisine.  It is stuff such as that that only perpetuates one- upmanship and trust me, the Mayflower New Englanders are the champions of that game. They do it amongst  themselves so often they can defeat the foreign ones without trying. .

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The Brit men are a docile and domesticated bunch.

FYP

Will you stop doing that !!!!
thats the second time since the new year you have made me laugh out loud.
it was funny, not true by any stretch of the imagination,  and being polite, I'm not gonna point out the obvious, but you caught my funny bone.

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RF, travelled to the US much?

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We do the same thing where I live. It's quite a snotty posh WASPY area here, lots of sailboats, old money, blue blood veins that run back to the Mayflower and 8,000 plus s.f. summer homes, whose owners have surnames like Stewart ( as in Martha) the DuPonts, Rockefellers, Kennedy's, etc. When the cheap, and slovenly attired "eurotrash" roll into town in the summer, the seer sucker brigade has to bite their tongue as well, while looking askance at their inappropriate attire and boorish behavior.

You really musn't get all of your ideas about American tourists from Chevy Chase movies, and my neighbors here on the coast might stop referring to those unfortunate misbehaving eurotrash, it really serves neither side does it?

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Aynne. I still have Rap blocked

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They also lack basics like the good kind of toilet paper- like we have here in the US.   The white soft kind- double ply.