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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 1/3/2011 2:28:09 AM

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i didn't read anything wrong with the OP -- there are certainly men who DO have fantasies like that when they go to a bar. there's nothing wrong with a fantasy, only what you do in reality.
he channels his fantasies into consensual play with a willing partner. makes sense to me.

the scenario he describes sounds pretty awesome to me. =p

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 1/3/2011 2:34:59 AM

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FORCED PLAY (emphasized for good reason) is just another consensual kink between two or more consenting adults.
A nice evening out with good company and good food, a rush through the rainy night back to the car. A dark alley, a derelict office block.
My partner is going to play it rough. Tonight there will be no mercy. He pounces without warning knowing its not going to be easy. I'm a real fighter and I'm going to give it my all, but he doesn't hold back.
Afterward we drive home, both smiling, both talking about what just took place. He gently bathes me and washes my mascara streaked cheeks, kisses my bruises and tells me how much he loves me.

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 1/3/2011 2:46:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

some women don't fight back, don't physically struggle. it's just not their nature. they can still be raped. but i suppose if one is interested in making it a game, that could make the "game" less thrilling.

Different strokes for different folks. :)

From a submissive perspective, I find the two modes of response equally interesting. The struggle, which I know I can't win and in which I may take a few "hard knocks," makes my helplessness more apparent to myself--and to my partner I would presume. Complete passivity, which I think is more natural to me than struggling, is also arousing to expereince: it makes me feel like a manipulated doll or toy.

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 1/3/2011 2:50:14 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

i didn't read anything wrong with the OP -- there are certainly men who DO have fantasies like that when they go to a bar. there's nothing wrong with a fantasy, only what you do in reality.
he channels his fantasies into consensual play with a willing partner. makes sense to me.

the scenario he describes sounds pretty awesome to me. =p

Full agreement. Good way of putting it.

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 1/3/2011 4:31:20 AM

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you forgot the pleas! master likes it so much when I beg and cry at the same time.

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 1/3/2011 4:35:21 AM

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The op has to learn that in a text based medium the text must be clearly understandable. Pity he didn't pay attention in English classes.

But I'm not sure about the opening paragraph except that he seems to say that he's better because he doesn't sneak unknowingly into her house. He's there, he tells her what he's going to do, that's role play. Especially when she dresses in the clothes he picks right then and there.

For him it's nice and fun. Which is great. But there was no need to denigrate those who do play harder.
And yes, some people fight in adrenaline filled situations. Some flee and some freeze. I freeze. He's never going to have that wrestling scene he would like because I don't fight.

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 1/3/2011 4:40:36 AM

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I disagree. He mentioned "play" several times, the use of a safe word before he got to the point about the chick in the bar and then he tossed the phrase "take it" into quotes to indicate he was borrowing the phrase, not meaning it literally. Where I come from, that's pretty much enough to indicate his intent. I expect grown adults to consider context when they're interpreting the words of others. I'd also point out that neither of you sought clarification, you merely presumed the worst and went after the guy. I expect as much from LP - I'm aware of her issues with male sexual aggression - but you've demonstrated a more developed sense of self and so I expect a significantly more adult approach from you.

It's not like the guy burst into a vanilla conversation and dropped this. This is the kind of forum in which such things are liable to be discussed and everyone here should know that the difference between role-playing rape and the actual crime is as stark as you can get.

To my mind, interpreting an ambiguity in this way says more about the reader than it does the individual making the statement. Consider then that if you have baggage which causes a reaction in this way, that it's not always appropriate to expect everyone in the forum to step around it, especially when they're new and don't know you, or your history.

Are you quite sure that you don't have Me confused with someone else? Your screen name isn't suiting you at the moment, Awareness. I think you are off target.

Believe it or not, I don't have issues with male sexual aggression in My Dominant brothers. I expect them to have very similar urges in conquering prey in just the same way that I do. Gender isn't a factor here.

Perhaps, had you read a bit more, you would know that this does happen to be one of My kinks. However, even the hint of lack of consent is where I get twitchy. I see this as totally different. Any time that I have ever enjoyed these situations, it has always been with underlying consent. That doesn't fit the 'random chic in slutty clothes' scenario.

If you are seriously interested, why don't you ask Me about taking My own?

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 1/3/2011 4:53:56 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CaringandReal

From a submissive perspective, I find the two modes of response equally interesting. The struggle, which I know I can't win and in which I may take a few "hard knocks," makes my helplessness more apparent to myself--and to my partner I would presume. Complete passivity, which I think is more natural to me than struggling, is also arousing to expereince: it makes me feel like a manipulated doll or toy.

such intriguing perspectives-- i've always fantasized about the former, but i can definitely understand (and imagine....

) the latter. i think passivity comes to me naturally, as that is what i presume my Dom would prefer, but oh how i love to be allowed to struggle and be shown how helpless i really am....

i mean..... er.... how about that local sporting team, eh?

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 1/3/2011 8:18:50 AM

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I have also fantasized about this and find the thought of it hot. I am not sure I could sustain the play as I am a fighter and in this situation I would not be able to sustain the wrestling part of it, I would get downright mean. Not sure there is a balance for me. I guess as long as it is agreed upon and consensual between the two participants with limits set down beforehand I find nothing wrong with it. He may not have stated it clearly in the original post but clarified it.

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 1/3/2011 12:08:58 PM

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KDSUSA 7894, so your a fighter? i have done this with a petit red head about 25 years ago. she was only about 5'3" and around 115lbs or so. but she was also a fighter. one of her fav things to do on the weekend is get drunk and get into a fight. she would not fight with guys but she sure as hell would tear into another girl in a heart beat.

she told me that the one thing that will make her fight was to be called a whore. so the mutial agreement was, that is just what i would do. and when i did she would stop wrestling and start fighting. i had her pined to the floor and she could not do anything, but she DID fight like hell. (and she was not drunk).

it turned out to be the best sex she ever had. after that, she was done with vanilla sex. she later told me that she was like this because i corrupted her. it's so nice to appreaciated for the hard work, aint it. LOL damn it, my spell check is still acting up.

remember, it's all about consent. mutial consent.

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 1/3/2011 12:17:36 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

i didn't read anything wrong with the OP -- there are certainly men who DO have fantasies like that when they go to a bar. there's nothing wrong with a fantasy, only what you do in reality.
he channels his fantasies into consensual play with a willing partner. makes sense to me.

the scenario he describes sounds pretty awesome to me. =p

Agreed. I have always said it does not matter what you think about, as long as you do not act upon it in a non consensual way. The word rape is very highly charged and I think that is what some people were responding to.

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 1/5/2011 11:29:49 AM

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Fuck dude... Yes, I am frowning for a couple of reasons. Rape play with someone you know and consents is fine. What's this shit about being at a bar where a woman has on sexy clothes and people wanting to do her and you taking it? I am hoping you worded that wrong.

Even worded wrong... I don't think much of your silly ass. Oh and it doesn't mean much when a man of your size can simply lay on a chick and pin her. You are just the type this lil bitch loved taking down... but not on your life would I.

Shudder...males me wonder how many repressed rapists there are walking about

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 1/5/2011 12:48:13 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

Fuck dude... Yes, I am frowning for a couple of reasons. Rape play with someone you know and consents is fine. What's this shit about being at a bar where a woman has on sexy clothes and people wanting to do her and you taking it? I am hoping you worded that wrong.

Even worded wrong... I don't think much of your silly ass. Oh and it doesn't mean much when a man of your size can simply lay on a chick and pin her. You are just the type this lil bitch loved taking down... but not on your life would I.

Shudder...males me wonder how many repressed rapists there are walking about

I can't see for the life of me why he's *silly*. It was clear to me what he meant as he'd gone into quite a lot of detail regarding consent.

The whole POINT is that he's big enough to pin her down, surely. I don't exactly want to be able to throw M off. If he's got me face down on a mattress it's not forced if I can flip him off, roll him over and smack him in the chops.

Prin, a man fancying the idea of forcing himself on a girl isn't any more a *repressed rapist* than a girl that fancies being forced is *repressed rape-victim*.

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 1/5/2011 1:55:01 PM

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Now that's something that never interested me, "play rape."
I'd much rather have a woman tied down to my bed inescapably and see her struggle as I torment her sexually.

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 2/1/2011 2:29:17 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

i didn't read anything wrong with the OP -- there are certainly men who DO have fantasies like that when they go to a bar. there's nothing wrong with a fantasy, only what you do in reality.
he channels his fantasies into consensual play with a willing partner. makes sense to me.

the scenario he describes sounds pretty awesome to me. =p

Very nice, that pretty much sums up the topic for me as well :)

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 2/1/2011 7:53:50 PM

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Try this on for size; http://www.collarchat.com/m_356418/mpage_1/tm.htm

Tis an old thread so I wouldn't post on it less a Mod eat you.

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 2/2/2011 3:12:00 PM

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Sometimes you want to be tripped and jumped on. Sometimes you want to rip the clothes off with the teeth.

It is a cool scenario that takes a little prior planning to weaken the seams on an outfit so you can actually rip the clothes off with the teeth and not do terminal damage to the outfit.

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 2/2/2011 3:23:02 PM

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I'm a fighter, too, so I perfectly understand. Sometimes my Dom and I fight as foreplay, sometimes we just fight for the hell of it, but the fight is almost better than sex anyway. Teeth, fists, claws, blood... yummy! He loved when we could afford for me to take JuJitstu classes, because he liked that the fights were becoming a better match. If it were too easy, neither of us would like it as much. Too much Tyler Durden in our romance, I guess.

Though I do wonder whether the neighbors are going to call the police soon...

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RE: rough sex (play rape) i know, old subject - 2/2/2011 5:02:52 PM

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Did this on Saturday night with maisyjayne. She put up a good fight but ultimately she lost.

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