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AnnaOfAramis -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:07:36 AM)
FR It seems funny to me that society here (U.S.) is so hung up about nudity. When I lived in Germany one would see whole families naked- mom, dad, kids, grandma walking across the street carrying beach stuff to go to the lake. If you go and stay in a hotel in Munich and go to use the swimming pool, the changing room is co-ed and you may well pass (as my mother did the first time we arrived, lol) a man in the shower (a large multi person shower with no curtain) washing his hair and giving you a full frontal look at him. Kids there are used to seeing this and so it's no big deal (or at least it was like that 20 years ago- I haven't been there since reunification and all, so maybe things have changed).

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:10:11 AM)
It also seems funny to me that so many people seem to want to state what parents "should" allow their children to see or not. Last i heard, parents still had the say over such things. We arent discussing other countries, we are discussing the US. And if you had viewed the last link i provided, you would have seen this is a community standard more than a state or national one.

AnnaOfAramis -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:16:07 AM)
I don't think I said anywhere what parents should or should not do. I just commented that I think it's odd that humans are so weird about naked bodies. What exactly is wrong about a naked body? I get that different communities have different standards. I'm just wondering on a deeper level what the hell is wrong with nature? anna ps also, whether or not "we" are discussing the US, a part of discussion includes compare and contrast

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:17:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AnnaOfAramis I don't think I said anywhere what parents should or should not do. I just commented that I think it's odd that humans are so weird about naked bodies. What exactly is wrong about a naked body? I get that different communities have different standards. I'm just wondering on a deeper level what the hell is wrong with nature? anna And i am wondering what the hell is wrong with a man who feels a need to expose himself to children in a society that frowns upon such behavior.

RapierFugue -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:19:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AnnaOfAramis I don't think I said anywhere what parents should or should not do. I just commented that I think it's odd that humans are so weird about naked bodies. What exactly is wrong about a naked body? I get that different communities have different standards. I'm just wondering on a deeper level what the hell is wrong with nature? I agree, oddly enough. Although I do like my privacy - I wouldn't want to get changed in a unisex changing rooms, for example. Mind you I'm British, and we're apparently repressed, so WTF :) But the law is the law, if you follow me.

RapierFugue -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:23:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl And i am wondering what the hell is wrong with a man who feels a need to expose himself to children in a society that frowns upon such behavior. Well yes, but by the same token I do think she's raised an interesting point; in other words, if nudity and the body were not in some ways taboos then it would be impossible to upset a child using nudity, even if it was a scumbag exposing themselves. I’m presuming the “shocking others” and “wrongness” of it are part of what that sort of perv get of off on? If there’s no response coz it’s everyday then the child isn't upset anyway and the “bad” nature of it isn't present so it’s less appealing for the perv to do? Dunno. Discuss. Or not.

AnnaOfAramis -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:24:43 AM)
Agreed. I am not talking about people exposing themselves to children in a society that has brought them up in such a context that it has become a sexually explicit act. I am asking why society has developed so that that is the case. I am not talking about this specific case in this specific place in this specific time... I am asking on a broader sociological sense why is this. We all have bodies and we were created without clothes just like any other animal on the planet. I just think we're weird.

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:26:32 AM)
If children are raised in that surrounding, then it would be no big deal. Kids here are not, for the most part, adsent those who live in nudist communities. Until that changes, its against the law. And no one should demand their constitutional right to "privacy" while imposing that right upon others, especially minors, in direct violation of the law.

AnnaOfAramis -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:28:13 AM)
quote: Although I do like my privacy - I wouldn't want to get changed in a unisex changing rooms, for example. Mind you I'm British, and we're apparently repressed, so WTF :) lol Sir, I'm British too, and neither would I! (You should have seen my mother's face when she came running out of the changing room, lol). On the other hand, part of me would like to be able to walk around in the woods without a stitch on and be a part of nature rather than separate from it, if that makes any sense at all.

RapierFugue -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:33:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AnnaOfAramis quote: Although I do like my privacy - I wouldn't want to get changed in a unisex changing rooms, for example. Mind you I'm British, and we're apparently repressed, so WTF :) lol Sir, I'm British too, and neither would I! (You should have seen my mother's face when she came running out of the changing room, lol). On the other hand, part of me would like to be able to walk around in the woods without a stitch on and be a part of nature rather than separate from it, if that makes any sense at all. It makes perfect sense to me, yes :) It's like, if I choose to be naked on my own, or with those I choose to be naked with, then fine. Plus being naked in woods is fun :)

RapierFugue -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:35:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl If children are raised in that surrounding, then it would be no big deal. Kids here are not, for the most part, adsent those who live in nudist communities. Until that changes, its against the law. And no one should demand their constitutional right to "privacy" while imposing that right upon others, especially minors, in direct violation of the law. Yes, yes, we get that, you don't have to keep going on about it. I agree with you, as I’ve stated several times in this thread. It was merely a musing. A "what if". that's 2 words, not one, IYSWIM.

calamitysandra -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:35:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AnnaOfAramis FR It seems funny to me that society here (U.S.) is so hung up about nudity. When I lived in Germany one would see whole families naked- mom, dad, kids, grandma walking across the street carrying beach stuff to go to the lake. If you go and stay in a hotel in Munich and go to use the swimming pool, the changing room is co-ed and you may well pass (as my mother did the first time we arrived, lol) a man in the shower (a large multi person shower with no curtain) washing his hair and giving you a full frontal look at him. Kids there are used to seeing this and so it's no big deal (or at least it was like that 20 years ago- I haven't been there since reunification and all, so maybe things have changed). Not changed much at all. We are still naked in co-ed saunas (never understood the UK/US custom of wearing a bathing suit in a sauna), the family changing rooms are still there, and when the first really warm day in spring comes, you can find naked people soaking in the rays in many parks. However, those are all settings in which we know that we will, and are comfortable with, encountering naked people. Somebody exposing themselves for shock value in front of non-consenting onlookers would lead to a run in with the law enforcement here, too. I am really torn on this case. If I do remember the old thread correctly, there were a lot of differing descriptions. Especially the point of him moving from window to window to make sure he was seen, versus the need to trespass upon his ground to be even able to see was never really cleared up. I think I would need a live look at the property to come to an informed conclusion.

RapierFugue -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:38:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: calamitysandra Especially the point of him moving from window to window to make sure he was seen Agreed. Doesn't sit well with me either. quote: ORIGINAL: calamitysandra I think I would need a live look at the property to come to an informed conclusion. Am I the only one that finds it slightly ironic that, if we're to judge on whether this bloke's a perv or not, we have to pop round for a perv at his house ;)

rulemylife -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:43:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife I'm not sure what you mean by that. I have a reasonable expectation of privacy in my own home. I have no duty to ensure that someone who is looking into my home does not see something they find offensive. Being that the facts involved here have been pretty limited, we really don't know exactly what took place. If he did it intentionally for some type of sexual exhibitionism then yes, that would change things. But I'm assuming that someone who was doing it for that purpose and received lenient treatment by the court would not be appealing the ruling. This seems to be more a matter of someone who believes he did nothing wrong and is appealing based on principle. Your assumption that he wasn't doing this for the purpose of exposing himself is what's incorrect here. You would think he would be grateful to get a one year suspended sentence. Obviously he's hoping to get the sentence overturned so he can return to flashing from his own home legally. I don't have a link to the original articles printed at the time of the arrest, but I have a clear recollection that he followed them from window to window to make sure they couldn't possibly miss the sight of him waving his willie at them. With that, and the fact that there's a school bus stop directly opposite where children looking up would see him pressing himself to the window, it is no longer him sitting peacefully in front of the tv pantless. He wasn't just walking around the house naked, he was up against the windows in different rooms in order to expose himself and making noise to attract attention when he wasn't noticed. Then let me provide you with the links. His side of the story is that he was making coffee and those windows that he supposedly followed her around to expose himself were on different sides of a small kitchen. *Man Convicted of Indecent Exposure* Man Arrested for Being Naked in His Own Kitchen Man Arrested for Being Naked Speaks Out

calamitysandra -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:44:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: calamitysandra I think I would need a live look at the property to come to an informed conclusion. Am I the only one that finds it slightly ironic that, if we're to judge on whether this bloke's a perv or not, we have to pop round for a perv at his house ;) But are we not all self-professed pervs around here? [;)]

RapierFugue -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:45:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: calamitysandra quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: calamitysandra I think I would need a live look at the property to come to an informed conclusion. Am I the only one that finds it slightly ironic that, if we're to judge on whether this bloke's a perv or not, we have to pop round for a perv at his house ;) But are we not all self-professed pervs around here? [;)] Yeah but I become bored really easily :)

rulemylife -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:46:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mystickoolaid In Indiana, the laws state that anything like that going on in your house, that can be seen from the sidewalk in front of your house (or farther) is indecent. Cite those laws.

MstrBD -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:53:18 AM)
It is surprising to me that in the US you are not allowed to walk around naked in the confines of your own house. What was the line again? It is the land of the free?? Anyway, you are free to carry a gun and shoot on trespassers. Maybe he should buy a 9mm and put a sign out, "Do not watch this way, you may be fired upon when I find you disturbing my privacy" Lighten up people. Seems to me he did little wrong and the judge was smart enough to see that. Next thing you know we all need to go around all covered up in a burquah. Or was that a rule in an other free country?? Pepijn

RapierFugue -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 8:57:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MstrBD It is surprising to me that in the US you are not allowed to walk around naked in the confines of your own house. What was the line again? It is the land of the free?? You've managed to not understand the situation. I could explain it to you, but easier (for me, and that's all I'm interested in) would be if you bothered to read the rest of this thread. PS: Congrats on making your first post.

rulemylife -> RE: Update on the man arrested for being naked in his own home (1/8/2011 9:10:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: AnnaOfAramis I don't think I said anywhere what parents should or should not do. I just commented that I think it's odd that humans are so weird about naked bodies. What exactly is wrong about a naked body? I get that different communities have different standards. I'm just wondering on a deeper level what the hell is wrong with nature? anna And i am wondering what the hell is wrong with a man who feels a need to expose himself to children in a society that frowns upon such behavior. And I'm still wondering where the evidence is to support the contention that he was intentionally exposing himself to anyone.

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