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Enigma108 -> RE: Pope Says God is Behind the Big Bang (1/23/2011 11:24:56 AM)
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Is it possible that this state, which one person referred to as 'transcendence' is open to multiple interpretations? Evangelicals often speak of being 'touched' by the Holy Ghost at their services. My suspicion is that they misinterpret the state of heightened perception and sensation that is the natural reaction of a human body exposed to intense sensory stimulation during their services as that 'touching'.
This question, is "transcendence" open to multiple interpretations, is a great question. As students in the philosophy of science, we held long examination of this question. I'm afraid I will do a poor job of explaining such a big concept, but consider this, that the word transcendence means "to go beyond." Therefore, any time one goes beyond where one has been, any new learning, any aha! or heretofore not experienced sensation, etc, can be called transcendent (small t) and is open to interpretation. But Transcendence (note the capital T) is Absolute and meets the scientific criteria that it is the same for all observers because if it is experienced in it's pure state, it is pure nothingness. Even though it has the qualities of bliss, etc., the qualities will be experienced in memory, and each individual will describe it differently--even though they were having the same exact experience.
It is useful to understand that there are different states of consciousness, and that there are also altered states, which is different. As near as I can tell from my limited experience with bdsm, I think that it can stimulate Transcendence. Anything taken far enough must finally arrive at pure Transcendence because that is the Unified Field, the underlying Oneness. I have transcended on pain so I know that it's possible, although it certainly isn't my first choice of methods. For the rest, my observations are that the various bdsm activities trigger autonomic reactions, the release of endorphins for pain, etc., and other innate potentials that are hard-wired into the brain and mind-body system.
The experiences of "flying" and other highs can probably rightly be called altered states of consciousness, which means that normal consciousness, baseline consciousness, is stretched to some alternative dimension, but once the stimulus is removed, then conscious must revert back to the baseline. I suspect that bdsm activities are like drugs in that respect, especially considering that there is what is called "dom drop" (and maybe "sub drop"?) after sessions. When there is pure Transcendence, the effect would be positive and lasting and would possibly account for why there is rapid healing; but when the experience has been tricked into happening, it is logical to think there would have to be some equal and opposite down.
I doubt that I did a good job of explaining what I was trying to say, and I still haven't got the entire thing sorted out. The biggest question for me is, is bdsm simply a way of experiencing pleasure, or can it be a disciplined lifestyle that awakens honest progress towards enlightenment, like tantra. In the modern world, tantra is mostly seen as a means of enhancing pleasure, but real tantra understands that pleasure must be Transcended. Pleasure creates attachment, and attachment ties us to illusion, which is why it is called the left hand path. BDSM is certainly a left-hand path, but unlike Tantra, there isn't much ancient wisdom for guidance.
Satara
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