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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

I said they could. Hitler certainly would have done it, if we hadn't of saved your asses. And Muslims may do it in the future if you don't profess your faith to Islam.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

THe Beck has spoken
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201101100011

is there one word of the whole thing that rings as true?
after all his diatribes? her "dont retreat, reload?"
Can you imagine the field day that would have been had  if the shooter had been an *eeebil moooslem*

I just read this page too so that could be something to do with it
http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaigns/guns-democracy-and-freedom/insurrection-timeline.

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

Free men own guns, slaves don't. In England they could line you people up and execute you one by one, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

how about you mosey on over to the parents of the kid that was killed, you know the kid that was born on 9/11. Then you look them in the eye and tell them that their daughters murder is a price for freedom that you're apparently happy to pay.

Let me know how that goes.

Let me know when you get over your mind-reading fantasy.

"We don't need any more restrictions in our society... If maybe the gunman had some friends and family around him prior to this, this wouldn't have happened... I think there's always going to be random acts... but our family believes there is a lot of good people out there... If we live in a country like the United States where we're freer than anyone else, we're subject to things like this happening... and that's the price we have to pay."

K.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


It seems your definition of inflammatory rhetoric is speech coming from those on the right who appose big government, astronomical deficit spending, inflation, government waste and all the rest of it. I sure would like to know when any of the talk show hosts have advocated violence. Can you provide any quotes ?  Others would say inflammatory rhetoric comes from Obama Pelosi, and Reid advocating their brand of socialism. I guess its ok to advocate for the left but if you advocate for the right then its inflammatory rhetoric. 

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Yes, facts are facts.  This is just a small sample of those facts.  I can spend all day posting these types of quotes from conservative talk shows.

Conservative talk show host arrested

Prosecutors say Hal Turner allegedly posted the threatening Internet messages on June 2. They say the 47-year-old declared his “outrage” over a decision by the three judges in upholding bans on handguns in Chicago and suburban Oak Park.

They quoted Turner’s posting as saying: “Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed.”


Hate fills the airwaves | USA Today

Clinton consistently refused to defend the right to air "some of the things some of these more extreme talk show hosts have said."

Specifically, he objected to a number of G. Gordon Liddy's remarks.

Liddy, who broadcasts over WJFK-FM in Fairfax, Va., admitted he used handmade drawings of the President and his wife for target practice and discussed shooting Federal agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms in the head and groin "in legally justified self-defense."

Michael Savage (commentator)

On April 17, 2006, he said of Muslims "They say, 'Oh, there's a billion of them.' I said, 'So, kill 100 million of them, then there'll be 900 million of them.' I mean, would you rather die—would you rather us die than them?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
When all the people have made their choice, that IS the country as a whole's decision.

We call it democracy.

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

This whole sorry episode is nothing to do with gun control. It's to do with the ramping up of the political rhetoric. Political opponents, from both sides of the spectrum, use the language and imagery of violence to make their point.

Thus the political process becomes one in which violence is seen as a sad but inevitable consequence....which is unacceptable.

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Tazzy's post above bother me A LOT.  All five charges relate to Loughner shooting fed employees.  Nothing about him shooting the others, including the nine year old girl.  Anyone know why this is the case?  Is it because these are federal charges, and charges relating to the others are filed at another level?

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Actually, I would say you are right only in Panda's use of the general "we".  A majority of voters are content with the decision to allow a culture in which the citizens have the right to keep and bear arms.  That results in some occasions like this nutcase over the weekend.  The price of freedom...

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As for your earlier assertion re:  this being due to the inflammatory rhetoric of right-wing conservatives?  See my post regarding that...and listen to anyone with sense.  Free speech is just that...free speech.  While I may not like what Hillary or Obama or Olbermann or Michael Moore have to say, as long as they are not inciting left-wing riots they have a right to say it.  Ward Churchill, with his call to take to the streets, may be a different case.  I don't agree with all that Beck or Limbaugh or G. Will have to say either, but as long as they are not encouraging violence...and don't run through that tired bullshit about Palin's crosshairs, please...they have a right to say it.  This nut was responsible for his own actions...and given that his favorite reading material, as reported by various folks in the mass media, seemed to be centered around the Communist Manifesto and one of his favorite activities appeared to be smoking pot, the argument could be made that he is more left than right.  From there, it would be just as easy to cite "leftist" sources for his dissatisfaction with a "progressive" who did not stand far enough to the left...and it would be a wrong citation. 

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


It seems your definition of inflammatory rhetoric is speech coming from those on the right who appose big government, astronomical deficit spending, inflation, government waste and all the rest of it. I sure would like to know when any of the talk show hosts have advocated violence. Can you provide any quotes ?  Others would say inflammatory rhetoric comes from Obama Pelosi, and Reid advocating their brand of socialism. I guess its ok to advocate for the left but if you advocate for the right then its inflammatory rhetoric. 

Reading the entire thread would help.

I understand that may be too challenging for you so let me re-post what I quoted earlier.

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Yes, facts are facts.  This is just a small sample of those facts.  I can spend all day posting these types of quotes from conservative talk shows.

Conservative talk show host arrested

Prosecutors say Hal Turner allegedly posted the threatening Internet messages on June 2. They say the 47-year-old declared his “outrage” over a decision by the three judges in upholding bans on handguns in Chicago and suburban Oak Park.

They quoted Turner’s posting as saying: “Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed.”


Hate fills the airwaves | USA Today

Clinton consistently refused to defend the right to air "some of the things some of these more extreme talk show hosts have said."

Specifically, he objected to a number of G. Gordon Liddy's remarks.

Liddy, who broadcasts over WJFK-FM in Fairfax, Va., admitted he used handmade drawings of the President and his wife for target practice and discussed shooting Federal agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms in the head and groin "in legally justified self-defense."

Michael Savage (commentator)

On April 17, 2006, he said of Muslims "They say, 'Oh, there's a billion of them.' I said, 'So, kill 100 million of them, then there'll be 900 million of them.' I mean, would you rather die—would you rather us die than them?

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Liberal Smear Machine Backfires After Gunman Found To Be Occultist, Pot-Smoking Left Winger A full scale demonization campaign against conservatives, free speech and the Second Amendment on behalf of Democrats and the establishment media in the wake of Saturday’s shootings has sensationally backfired after it emerged that gunman Jared Lee Loughner was a left-wing, pot-smoking liberal who was into dressing like the grim reaper and dabbling in the occult.