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Body Modification - 5/1/2006 2:15:47 PM   
genvieve


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Status: offline 		At what point durring the relationship, is it viable for the Dominant to demand body modification?
 
i'm not talking drastic changes.  i'm talking about things like shaving the pubis, hair cuts, asking the submissive to lose weight?

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 2:24:33 PM   
masterdeltafire


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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 2:28:14 PM   
Reasonable


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Status: offline 		It depends on the depth of the relationship.

If you are in a casual relationship for play, probably not.

If you are going into M/s......and intend to keep a girl for a long time-it would not be too extreme to run the blubber off of her-and have any body hair you found objectionable to be permanently removed.

It's all a matter of degree.

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 2:30:03 PM   
Reasonable


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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 2:44:41 PM   
BitaTruble


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Status: offline 		After a collar is begged or offered and mutually accepted as part of the relationship. Before that, it's everyones personal choice. Such things should be discussed prior to a collar being offered anyway, but not expected from someone who's power you do not yet control.

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edited to add: One can certainly make getting a collar conditional if they so choose. For a dominant to say.. 'you'll not be offered a collar unless you do XYZ' is certainly acceptable but it's still up to the submissive partner whether or not they will comply.

< Message edited by BitaTruble -- 5/1/2006 2:48:28 PM >

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 3:07:52 PM   
Melkor7


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quote:

ORIGINAL: genvieve

At what point durring the relationship, is it viable for the Dominant to demand body modification?

i'm not talking drastic changes. i'm talking about things like shaving the pubis, hair cuts, asking the submissive to lose weight?


The simple answer is "When the submissive is willing to obey the order." These kind of things need to be discussed at some point before the relationship is considered "permanent". While most people won't have an issue with these mild changes, I can imagine some things could be a limit for some people, hitting upon their sense of identity. I can understand how this might avoid the inital discussions of limits, as they are generally not something that would happen during the scene. Particularly weight loss ... if someone comes up with a safe method to loose significant weight in just one scene, they could make millions.

I see this is much the same as vanilla relationships, at some point most people are willing to make small changes to please their partner. The only tricky part is the demand rather than request. Which brings me back to being willing to obey the order. I just see it as being too much of an individual thing to say "this is when it should happen". Some people may be willing to make the changes for a first date, as the change means little to them. For other the change may be a very personal issue ... and be the last area they are willing to surrender control to their dominant.

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 3:08:54 PM   
perverseangelic


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Status: offline 		IMHO, as soon as the s-type has aggreed to belong to the d-type. Once s/he's given that over, its the Owner's right to require changes.

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 3:16:21 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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ORIGINAL: genvieve
At what point durring the relationship, is it viable for the Dominant to demand body modification?

After you've said "Yes you have the authority to demand that from me."
 

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 3:22:53 PM   
Wildfleurs


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quote:

ORIGINAL: genvieve

At what point durring the relationship, is it viable for the Dominant to demand body modification?
 
i'm not talking drastic changes.  i'm talking about things like shaving the pubis, hair cuts, asking the submissive to lose weight?


Once authority and control has been established and its clear to both parties that the submissive/slave belongs to the dominant/owner.

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 3:58:12 PM   
missturbation


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Status: offline 		I have a response for 'reasonable' and it is this if you told me to run my blubber off i would have no inclination to do so. Just because i am submissive does not mean i would respond to being spoken to like that.

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 4:14:34 PM   
Dustyn


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Status: offline 		OP, that is a hollow question.  The other person has only as much power as is given to them.  You can demand anything you want whenever it strikes your fancy.  It's up to the one being issued the demand to decide if they will go along with it or not.

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 5:30:26 PM   
ladylexington


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Status: offline 		Wow, looks like I am in the minority on this one. I express certian preferences before the first play date. With men, I want clean shaven faces and well-trimmed balls. With women, I want shaved legs, trimmed pubis, and at least a smidge of make up.

A submissive who either doesn't notice my expressed preferences or chooses not to comply with them will have a lot of work to do before s/he gets another play date.

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 5:33:53 PM   
Reasonable


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Status: offline 		That would depend on if I owned her or not-I have a bit of my own to run off too-I'd do it alongside of her.

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 5:38:19 PM   
Rayne58


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Status: offline 		Master prefers hairless pubes so that was the first thing I did for Him, even before we met in r/t

He has never asked me to change my haircut or colour or lose weight or anything else for that matter. I want to get more tattoos in future and He has made suggestions for them but nothing specific. Same with clothing. Micro managing is not His thing

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 5:40:34 PM   
genvieve


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Status: offline 		So, am i correct in saying that You will not play with a submissive until he or she as followed those orders?
 
If this is the case...go for it...then it is the submissive's decision whether these minor chances is worth continuing the relationship.
 
But what of those submissive who say:  "You demanding that do any of these things, is claiming right over my body that You have yet to earn."
 
Is the submissive out of line?

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 5:51:10 PM   
perverseangelic


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quote:

ORIGINAL: genvieve

So, am i correct in saying that You will not play with a submissive until he or she as followed those orders?
 
If this is the case...go for it...then it is the submissive's decision whether these minor chances is worth continuing the relationship.
 
But what of those submissive who say:  "You demanding that do any of these things, is claiming right over my body that You have yet to earn."
 
Is the submissive out of line?


I would say that it's clearly out of line for Ladylexington. That is, that the s-type is not behaving as Ladylexington asked, and as such isn't someone she wants to consider. (IMHO, from my reading of course.)

While I myself am not a fan of demands before authority has been surrendered, from her post she makes it clear that she says this at the outset, as such, it's up to the s-type to say if they're willing to go along with it. If they're ok with it, then they do what she says and meet. If they're not, they move on.

Seems reasonable and straightforward.


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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 5:52:42 PM   
cariad


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quote:

But what of those submissive who say: "You demanding that do any of these things, is claiming right over my body that You have yet to earn."

Is the submissive out of line?


in girls opinion and this is just her opinion...........if she were told to do something and was not yet owned, and it makes her uncomfortable she would politely tell the Dom/Domme, "with all due respect, until such time as You own this body, please do not ask her to do things she is not comfortable in doing," and leave it at that.

girl has told many Dominants that she is not willing to do what they ask of her and some have respected her for it, while others say she is not a "real slave," to which her reply is: " ask DomX if girl is real or not and then You may accuse her all You wish."

also those who say girl is not real, well it's their loss not hers.

hehe girl is a bit of a s.a.m at times and not to be mistaken for a brat...

that having been said girl would say no the submissive is not out of line.

hopefully this helps you a bit.

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 5:57:20 PM   
genvieve


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quote:

ORIGINAL: perverseangelic



quote:

ORIGINAL: genvieve

So, am i correct in saying that You will not play with a submissive until he or she as followed those orders?
 
If this is the case...go for it...then it is the submissive's decision whether these minor chances is worth continuing the relationship.
 
But what of those submissive who say:  "You demanding that do any of these things, is claiming right over my body that You have yet to earn."
 
Is the submissive out of line?


I would say that it's clearly out of line for Ladylexington. That is, that the s-type is not behaving as Ladylexington asked, and as such isn't someone she wants to consider. (IMHO, from my reading of course.)

While I myself am not a fan of demands before authority has been surrendered, from her post she makes it clear that she says this at the outset, as such, it's up to the s-type to say if they're willing to go along with it. If they're ok with it, then they do what she says and meet. If they're not, they move on.

Seems reasonable and straightforward.




See, i can see your point.  She allows the submissive the ability to say "Ok, i can do that"  or "No thank You, have a nice day"  and i'm fine with that...
 
But i was concerned about what cariad said.  Will this Dominant try and call that submissive "Not real"  or "Not willing to submit when the task is difficult." 

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 6:21:55 PM   
twicehappy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: genvieve

At what point durring the relationship, is it viable for the Dominant to demand body modification?


Speaking strictly from an M/s point of view once the collar is accepted that is up to the individual owner. Until that point any modification is up for negotation.

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RE: Body Modification - 5/1/2006 8:35:00 PM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		My Master made it clear that until he owned me, he could only request and it was up to me if I wanted to or not.  Once he owned me, however, an order is an order and expected to be followed.  Because of the immediate pull he had on me, however, even "requests" prior to ownership were met.

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