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Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/11/2011 8:32:50 AM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/11779_joescarboroughwantstherepublicanpartyback

I'd support him.

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/11/2011 8:37:28 AM

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...seems like a pretty sane guy. Just goes to show that sanity or the lack of it are not the exclusive domains of any political ideology.

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/11/2011 2:29:19 PM

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Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity?

Like, say, moderate Republicans, before the right decided they were rinos?

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/11/2011 9:28:33 PM

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Lets see,a Conservative Republican from the South has been able to firgure out that his party has gone so far to the right,they have fallen off the edge.Of course,Sarah Palin,Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity and those who follow them,will just call him a traitor,a sell out and a RINO.For all the talk about left wingers,the Democrats have been far more tolerant of their more Moderate to Conservative members,than the Republicans have been of their Moderate members.I hope that Joes party will listen to him,but I am not holding my breath on that one.

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/11/2011 9:41:09 PM

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There use to be a time when Republicans actually stood for something that matter.Lincoln ended slavery.The Republicans actually had real MORALS to cling to.In fact,the Democrats of the South,we the racist piece of trash of their time.These were known as "Dixiecrats"However,after the Civil Rights movement,the South slowly started rejecting Democrats because many Democrats helped to pass the Civil Rights.LBJ even said that the Democrats were finished for 100 years in the South after the passage of the Civil Rights bill.He has been right so far.Richard Nixon took advantage of this with his new "Southern" plan.Basically,it was having Republicans take advantage of the Souths anger towards the Democrats for passing the Cilvil Rights bill.So basically the racist Southern Whites would start voting for Republicans.The Republicans paln worked.Like I said though,Northern Republicans at least,helped end slavery and also wanted to help end the Jim Crow laws as well.The Republican party was started in New York state.The Northeast use to vote alot for Republicans.

My,how times do change.Now the Democrats are the party of progress,while most Republicans are the party of hate.Theres still a few Moderate Republicans in the Northeast.The Republicans Ive seen down here in Flordia and the South,for the most part,seem to be fairly intolerant people.The racial issue has improved yes.However,now its about bashing gays and anyone who isnt a Southern Baptist.Some parts of Flordia may be somewhat liberal to moderate.That mainly because alot of Northerns and Canadians have called Flordia home.However,in North Flordia,more rural area,the Panhandle area in particular,are still mostly fairly "Southern" parts that may be more intolerant.

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/12/2011 4:10:51 AM

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The republican party did just fine last November. Maybe the democrats are the ones that need to change ? The voters have spoken.

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/12/2011 4:14:04 AM

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demos... you just can't fix stupid. They should stay on msnbc and have the 24 hour rant. That seems to be working out well for them, don't you think? By the way, anybody... 500 bonus points. Name ONE sane demo. ONE. Bernie Sanders. Oh wait, he's a socialist. yeah yeah, same thing, I know. Hmmmm. Ok, governor moon beam. Ooops, another nut. Obama? Nut. Biden? DOUBLE nut. All the czars? Nut nut nut x 100. Never mind.

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/12/2011 4:33:06 AM

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demos... you just can't fix stupid. They should stay on msnbc and have the 24 hour rant. That seems to be working out well for them, don't you think? By the way, anybody... 500 bonus points. Name ONE sane demo. ONE. Bernie Sanders. Oh wait, he's a socialist. yeah yeah, same thing, I know. Hmmmm. Ok, governor moon beam. Ooops, another nut. Obama? Nut. Biden? DOUBLE nut. All the czars? Nut nut nut x 100. Never mind.

Now let's put those two together.

Never mind, you just can't fix stupid.

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/12/2011 6:42:39 AM

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Ain't gonna happen.

The GOP's core beliefs are insane.

1. Tax cuts are good. Always.
2. There are certain programs that cannot be cut. Deficits are not that important.
3. Bush was justified in invading Iraq.
4. Regulations that hamper businesses are bad. Always. Despite that, individuals should be strictly regulated.
5, Handouts to companies are good. Handouts to individuals are bad.

The Dems' core beliefs aren't much better:
1. There are certain programs that cannot be cut. Deficits are not that important.
2. Regulations that hamper individuals are bad. Despite that, corporations should be strictly regulated.
3. The incentive to work should not be financial. Handouts to individuals are good. Handouts to companies are bad.

I prefer the Dems', but that's not saying much.

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/12/2011 7:12:21 AM

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Lets see,a Conservative Republican from the South has been able to firgure out that his party has gone so far to the right,they have fallen off the edge.Of course,Sarah Palin,Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity and those who follow them,will just call him a traitor,a sell out and a RINO.For all the talk about left wingers,the Democrats have been far more tolerant of their more Moderate to Conservative members,than the Republicans have been of their Moderate members.I hope that Joes party will listen to him,but I am not holding my breath on that one.

I went to the library the other day to get a book on great moderates in American history. I couldn't find one.

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/12/2011 7:15:58 AM

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I thought the Republican party already had the voice of Sanity. Please don't tell me you believe that "independent" story of his...

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/12/2011 7:46:32 AM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/11779_joescarboroughwantstherepublicanpartyback

I'd support him.

Scarborough has been inching towards the left for a long time now. The fact that a progressive such as yourself...for your posts certainly do not reveal you as a moderate Democrat... would "support" him shows just which side he is closest to.

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/12/2011 9:32:42 AM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/11779_joescarboroughwantstherepublicanpartyback

I'd support him.

Scarborough has been inching towards the left for a long time now. The fact that a progressive such as yourself...for your posts certainly do not reveal you as a moderate Democrat... would "support" him shows just which side he is closest to.

...ok CD.......what is there in the quoted article that this guy has said that you find left wing? Or is he seen as inching towards communism purely because he apparently eschews the confrontational tone?

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/12/2011 12:21:50 PM

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I thought the Republican party already had the voice of Sanity. Please don't tell me you believe that "independent" story of his...

I had the identical thought!!!
altho mine was less kind, Ill admit
However, Ive noticed that the right is moving more and more to the right
just since 2008.
strange that

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/12/2011 12:53:10 PM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/11779_joescarboroughwantstherepublicanpartyback

I'd support him.

Scarborough has been inching towards the left for a long time now. The fact that a progressive such as yourself...for your posts certainly do not reveal you as a moderate Democrat... would "support" him shows just which side he is closest to.

...ok CD.......what is there in the quoted article that this guy has said that you find left wing? Or is he seen as inching towards communism purely because he apparently eschews the confrontational tone?

I did not say that there was anything in the article. What I noted was that he has been moving that way for awhile. That includes time before the article.

As for not wanting confrontational measures...he is living in a dreamland. The confrontations occur on both sides...rhetoric from the right...and rhetoric from the left. Look at Raum Emmanuel and his sending of a dead fish to a pollster that he took a dislike to. I would say that is pretty confrontational and that comes from the left.

It is the nature of the political beast in this country. People from the left are going to come across in an "attack" mode and people from the right are going to do the same.

But as I have noted before...acceptance by a person from one political leaning (especially someone like HillWilliam)of someone from the other side tends to indicate that the person being accepted has embraced views which may be palatable to the "opposition" but...usually...are no longer in sync with their own party.

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/12/2011 12:56:26 PM

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But as I have noted before...acceptance by a person from one political leaning (especially someone like HillWilliam)of someone from the other side tends to indicate that the person being accepted has embraced views which may be palatable to the "opposition" but...usually...are no longer in sync with their own party.

...but is it not possible to seperate the views from the tone? In other words, can't someone hold Republican views that you'd accept and yet still reject the tonality of confrontation?
i guess, what i'm asking is, in your view have confrontation and disrepspect for ones political opponent become not just the norm is US political discourse, but essential to it?

eta.....should be noted that there are examples from both sides of the aisle of the type of confrontational discourse i've decried above. It absolutely is not the preserve of any one political party.

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/12/2011 1:30:50 PM

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If I were a betting man I'd say HE will be the Republicans new Presidential or VP candidate and the voice of the party.

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/12/2011 1:41:42 PM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/11779_joescarboroughwantstherepublicanpartyback

I'd support him.

Scarborough has been inching towards the left for a long time now. The fact that a progressive such as yourself...for your posts certainly do not reveal you as a moderate Democrat... would "support" him shows just which side he is closest to.

...ok CD.......what is there in the quoted article that this guy has said that you find left wing? Or is he seen as inching towards communism purely because he apparently eschews the confrontational tone?

I did not say that there was anything in the article. What I noted was that he has been moving that way for awhile. That includes time before the article.

As for not wanting confrontational measures...he is living in a dreamland. The confrontations occur on both sides...rhetoric from the right...and rhetoric from the left. Look at Raum Emmanuel and his sending of a dead fish to a pollster that he took a dislike to. I would say that is pretty confrontational and that comes from the left.

It is the nature of the political beast in this country. People from the left are going to come across in an "attack" mode and people from the right are going to do the same.

But as I have noted before...acceptance by a person from one political leaning (especially someone like HillWilliam)of someone from the other side tends to indicate that the person being accepted has embraced views which may be palatable to the "opposition" but...usually...are no longer in sync with their own party.

Um CD, just because sanity and wilbur call Me a 'lefty' doesnt mean that 75 to 90% of My votes dont go to the Republican party.

Just sayin

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/12/2011 1:43:49 PM

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I was gonna say I didnt think you were on OUR side*snicker*
you are just mostly sensible
you big bad cock you

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RE: Maybe the Republican party needs a voice of sanity? - 1/12/2011 1:47:33 PM

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They ALL hate Me *sniffle*

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