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"Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/1/2006 8:50:53 PM   
Vendaval


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Greetings A/all,

From Wikipedia, a short history of our National Anthem; including
adaptations, translations, and the tradition of it being sung in public
at college and sporting events.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner

And here is the current Spanish version with the English translation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuestro_Himno


Please note that our National Anthem has been previously translated into
German, Latin, Spanish, French, Samoan and Yiddish.

(And yes, "The Star Spangled Banner" is a very difficult piece to sing,
as it requires an octave and a half vocal range.  Whitney Houston gave
one of the best recent performances in 19991 and that recording is widely
available.)

And as a side note, Canada has both an English and a French version of
their National Anthem.


Regards,
 

Vendaval
 



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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/1/2006 9:16:20 PM   
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(And yes, "The Star Spangled Banner" is a very difficult piece to sing,
as it requires an octave and a half vocal range.  Whitney Houston gave
one of the best recent performances in 19991 and that recording is widely
available.)

 
 
 
Depends on what we mean by 'very difficult'.  It is a little tricky when trying to pick a key that all the people at a sporting event can match, but an octave and a half is not much more of a stretch than some Christmas carols or pop songs.

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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/1/2006 10:55:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Greetings A/all,

From Wikipedia, a short history of our National Anthem; including
adaptations, translations, and the tradition of it being sung in public
at college and sporting events.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner

And here is the current Spanish version with the English translation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuestro_Himno


Please note that our National Anthem has been previously translated into
German, Latin, Spanish, French, Samoan and Yiddish.

(And yes, "The Star Spangled Banner" is a very difficult piece to sing,
as it requires an octave and a half vocal range.  Whitney Houston gave
one of the best recent performances in 19991 and that recording is widely
available.)

And as a side note, Canada has both an English and a French version of
their National Anthem.


Regards,
 

Vendaval
 




It's not a translation. It might be "based on" the United States National Anthem, but it's a far cry from the US anthem. The words (even assuming the flaws of translation) and the message significantly diverge after the first stanza. The very Wikipedia articles you cite clearly show the differance.

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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/1/2006 11:04:41 PM   
Vendaval


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Right, the Spanish version called "Nuestro Himno" is based on the National
Anthem, not an actual translation of it.  The translation cited is of the "Nuestro
Himno" Spanish version into English.
 
Regards,
 
Vendaval


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ORIGINAL: ArtCatDom

It's not a translation. It might be "based on" the United States National Anthem, but it's a far cry from the US anthem. The words (even assuming the flaws of translation) and the message significantly diverge after the first stanza. The very Wikipedia articles you cite clearly show the differance.

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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/1/2006 11:22:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Right, the Spanish version called "Nuestro Himno" is based on the National
Anthem, not an actual translation of it.  The translation cited is of the "Nuestro
Himno" Spanish version into English.
 
Regards,
 
Vendaval


If that's not your assertion, then I'm a bit lost on what your post was meant to indicate. You called it a "Spanish version" of the anthem and followed with observations the anthem had been previously translated into other languages (and then mentioned Canada has their own in multiple languages). Could you please clarify what you intended?

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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/1/2006 11:57:23 PM   
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ArtCatDom,
 
The last thread on the topic, namely the USA National Anthem, flew widely off-topic.
I simply want to share some basic information and ideas for rational debate.
There are definate pros and cons on both sides, and emotions are running high.
 
(The comparison with Canada is interesting because of the long-standing cultural
conflict of French vrs English language use and is connected to the debate about
having Quebec become a separate country.) 
 
I pondered this question for a few days and here is My own opinion. A translation or
different language version of our country's National Anthem is more an expression of admiration rather than defamation.  I view such an act as an attempt by
non-Native English speakers for a better understanding and communication with the dominant Anglo culture.
 
IMO,
 
-Vendaval-
 

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ORIGINAL: ArtCatDom

If that's not your assertion, then I'm a bit lost on what your post was meant to indicate. You called it a "Spanish version" of the anthem and followed with observations the anthem had been previously translated into other languages (and then mentioned Canada has their own in multiple languages). Could you please clarify what you intended?

*meow*


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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/2/2006 12:18:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

ArtCatDom,
 
The last thread on the topic, namely the USA National Anthem, flew widely off-topic.
I simply want to share some basic information and ideas for rational debate.
There are definate pros and cons on both sides, and emotions are running high.
 
(The comparison with Canada is interesting because of the long-standing cultural
conflict of French vrs English language use and is connected to the debate about
having Quebec become a separate country.) 
 
I pondered this question for a few days and here is My own opinion. A translation or
different language version of our country's National Anthem is more an expression of admiration rather than defamation.  I view such an act as an attempt by
non-Native English speakers for a better understanding and communication with the dominant Anglo culture.
 
IMO,
 
-Vendaval-
 


Thank you. I appreciate the clarification. I can appreciate setting a fresh slate for the debate.

I agree that translations of the anthem by various immigrants is a sign of pride and not a defamation in any way. I do not agree with the commentators who take issue with the foreign language being used. The United States does not have an official language and as part of that pluralistic policy grants translation services for those who need them for government services, law enforcement situations, emergency medical care, etc.

I just do not think that Nuestro Himno qualifies as proud immigrants translating the anthem. It's at best a "reimagining" (in my view) and has been made clearly with a political purpose and message. Nuestro Himno is insulting to the anthem. It is not insulting because it's a foreign language version of the anthem. It is not offensive because it is being used by illegal aliens. It is repulsive because it is a blatant political message that tries to conceal itself in the wrapper of the anthem. It's just as vile as people who want to take away our constitutionally protected rights while metaphorically wrapping themselves in a flag.

Just my own view of the matter.

*meow*

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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/2/2006 5:32:04 AM   
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Just to put the Canadian anthem into perspective...It was originally in French, and then translated (quite well) into English...but it has been modified and remodified so often that in any group of 10 people you will have at least 4 different versions....what good is that as a unifying song?
However, that being said, I really don't think it is all that important...its just a damned song people sing badly.

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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/2/2006 5:43:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

Just to put the Canadian anthem into perspective...It was originally in French, and then translated (quite well) into English...but it has been modified and remodified so often that in any group of 10 people you will have at least 4 different versions....what good is that as a unifying song?
However, that being said, I really don't think it is all that important...its just a damned song people sing badly.


Watch your tongue! The Canadian anthem is holy and sacred. Why? They sing it at the hockey games!

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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/2/2006 6:07:39 AM   
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If we must hear a spanish version I insist that only be played on classical guitar and sang by Jose Feliciano!
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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/2/2006 9:28:21 AM   
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Sabres?...why waste your time cheering for them, we all know the Senators own the cup this year.

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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/2/2006 10:38:20 AM   
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quote:

ArtCatDom: P.S. Go Sabres! Spank those Flyers!

quote:

Arpig: Sabres?...why waste your time cheering for them, we all know the Senators own the cup this year.


QUICK - Call missing persons.We found the two people who are interested in Hockey!

I'd offer the script idea to "Without a Trace" but since one of these guys is from the US, it's not a plausible plot.

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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/2/2006 3:05:47 PM   
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quote:

what good is that as a unifying song?

What good.

I thought it was a song that provided people a chance to show their patrionizm be it in a public setting or in the privacy of their own showers. To show American Pride if nothing else. Everything *AMERICAN* is copied and redistributed around the world. Even if its not copied to a * T* and correct its still concidered American and usually a desired object.  Id call it a compliment that anyone would sing it no matter the language its in or its errors. The people could of been singing the national anthem of any other land but choose the greatest one instead. Cudos to them....... ( Of course Im the person who is always blasted at by other Americans for not using the correct words spelled correctly in My sentance instead of them reading the sentance itself and understand its value, who am I to have an opinion on such a subject.....LOL)

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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/2/2006 3:12:27 PM   
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Well Kevin, I must say that you answer is surprising.  I figured you would prefer
a private singing session with Shakira.
 
 -Vendaval-

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If we must hear a spanish version I insist that only be played on classical guitar and sang by Jose Feliciano!
Si, Kevin


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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/3/2006 7:40:38 AM   
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Sabres?...why waste your time cheering for them, we all know the Senators own the cup this year.


Until we spank 'em like a painslut next round! :-D

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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/3/2006 7:42:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

ArtCatDom: P.S. Go Sabres! Spank those Flyers!

quote:

Arpig: Sabres?...why waste your time cheering for them, we all know the Senators own the cup this year.


QUICK - Call missing persons.We found the two people who are interested in Hockey!

I'd offer the script idea to "Without a Trace" but since one of these guys is from the US, it's not a plausible plot.


:-D Hockey is a great sport.

I also love rugby, lacrosse and FIFA football.

Give me sports that move with quick pace.

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RE: "Star Spangled Banner", history & lyrics - 5/3/2006 8:14:23 AM   
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Whitney Houston gave
one of the best recent performances in 19991 and that recording is widely
available.)


So much for party like its 1999.......now I have to do a whole new millenium.

Ron 

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