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No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta tell ya? - 1/16/2011 3:36:59 AM   
Real0ne


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This is a take off from stevens thread

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

The Giffords shooting has caused a lot of soul searching, and a lot of hysteria.  My take:

7. Maybe I'm out of line here, but I'm pissed off that the Congresspeople and Senators are starting to introduce legislation aimed at protecting themselves from attacks like this.  What about the rest of us who also have to worry about random violence?  If they want to introduce legislation to make themselves safer, I want it to apply to me as well.


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1.01 State sovereignty and jurisdiction.

The sovereignty and jurisdiction of this state extend to all places within the boundaries (unless your name is United States that means OVER YOU lol) declared in article II of the constitution, subject only to such rights of jurisdiction as have been or shall be acquired by the United States over any places therein; and the governor, and all subordinate officers of the state, shall maintain and defend its sovereignty and jurisdiction.


thats for my state, do you think yours is any different?

They sort of forgot about who created them didnt they? 

The state as KING!

They have NO CHARTER TO PROTECT YOU!


Remember?  Men create governments to protect themselves!  To protect their life liberty and the pursuit of happiness!

Just where does anyone get the idea that the state is there to protect you?

Governments are created to protect!

So what the hell do we have here?  Government?  OR????

At least they call themselves government!!!!!

Ask the attorney general of your state to PROTECT and defend your rights and see what answer you get!     Hire a fucking attorney!  LMAO

I am glad people are starting to get it!




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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/16/2011 11:14:31 AM   
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Okay, i'm confused. The first quote criticises politicians who react to the recent shootings by making laws to protect themselves while ignoring the danger to the rest of the public. (i think the general consensus is that the guy was crazy and politics really had nothing to do with the shooting; that the guy would just as easily gone off on a rampage about anything else.) Or, in other words, turning this into an issue of THEIR (the public servants') safety when it's really an issue of ALL OUR SAFETY.

The second is quoted from some state's constitution; establishing the state's right to make and enforce it's own laws, and the fact that anyone in that state is subject to those laws. Right?

How do you connect these two quotes?
What is it that you think that they prove? (Because it looks like you're drawing some pretty far fetched conclusions)
Do you think that the state governments are deliberately trying to give the public the shaft? If that were true, how would they get reelected?
Politicians are stupid- sure. They are selfish- sure. But do you really think they're out to get you?

What the hell are you talking about?

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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/16/2011 11:53:43 AM   
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ok...

there is no difference between a sovereign and a king, they are one and the same.   The states have been set up as kings, not only in reference to the other states but OVER you as well!

Over anything in their boundaries forget that your property is PRIVATE subject only to what you might do that injures another! 

The only thing that is different is their jurisdiction.

you as a Man or Woman are sovereign but your jurisdiction only extends over yourself or at least that is what courts have said while other courts completely ignore it.

What I posted is precisely to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the disconnect not the connect.

People assume that the state and they are the same thing when they are not.

If governments are instituted to protect you and your "stuff" then why doesnt the atty general defend you and your stuff from all comers?

Steven pointed out they are protecting themselves not us and I agree and I followed up by putting up the reasons this is the case.

They are not chartered to protect you.

quote:

1.09 Seat of government. Be it enacted by the council and house of representatives of the territory of Wisconsin, that the seat of government of the territory of Wisconsin, be and the same is located and established at the town of Madison


where is the seat of government for the state?

You want to shut anyone in gov up immediately ask that question!

If the the seat of gov is in the territory what the hell is the state?

It stops them cold in their tracks because they know they are not the same.

The government was created to protect you not the state but all business is done in the state that is not chartered to protect you.

starting to get the picture?




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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/16/2011 4:36:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

ok...

there is no difference between a sovereign and a king, they are one and the same.   The states have been set up as kings, not only in reference to the other states but OVER you as well!



The definition of "Sovereing State" has had different meaning at different times, and to different people. Few would equate the term in its modern usage to the word "King". Indeed not every US State calls itself a  "State" some user other terms. Either way I dont see "Statehood" equating to "King" since the State is "We the people"

You could be correct in the notion that the State protects itself as a whole instead of the individual, but what is the point of having states if not for unity

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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/16/2011 5:16:20 PM   
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Trying to explain facts to realone is like trying to tell a rattlesnake not to strike. It does not work.

His warped perception of the world has been proven time and again, and your best bet is to put him on ignore and leave it alone. Comment only on responses to his lunatic ravings and rampant ignorance.

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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/16/2011 5:18:33 PM   
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Trying to explain facts to realone is like trying to tell a rattlesnake not to strike. It does not work.

His warped perception of the world has been proven time and again, and your best bet is to put him on ignore and leave it alone. Comment only on responses to his lunatic ravings and rampant ignorance.


wow wow wow Jeff.....I never heard you that clear like that ever before I am stunned (in a positive way)

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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/16/2011 6:54:39 PM   
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ah jlf is just pissed off because every time he comes at me with his venom I chop another millimeter off the end of his dick....  not much left though.

So he he still having a bad hair week over that



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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/16/2011 6:56:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

ok...

there is no difference between a sovereign and a king, they are one and the same.   The states have been set up as kings, not only in reference to the other states but OVER you as well!



The definition of "Sovereing State" has had different meaning at different times, and to different people. Few would equate the term in its modern usage to the word "King". Indeed not every US State calls itself a  "State" some user other terms. Either way I dont see "Statehood" equating to "King" since the State is "We the people"

You could be correct in the notion that the State protects itself as a whole instead of the individual, but what is the point of having states if not for unity


whats your first clue?

The use of the word sovereign has specific meaning.

How do you interpret sovereignty and how did it change?, lets start there.

The government was created for the protection of the liberty of the constituency,  the point is that they now have incorporated and are in business against the people and not protecting the people therefore they have no reason to exist.

The state concept has evolved into a complete sham and the use the label government to hide behind to rob the people without due process of law and they even go so far as to claim that by-law (in other words a kangaroo court) or administrative review is due process of law.

People in this country are so ignorant I could gag when the judge violates literally every right they have and they thank the fucker... I wanna slap them silly!

These people are pathetic, when I go in the schedule me for the end of the day when everyone is already done. LOL

They dont want the sheep to know there is remedy and you can kick their ass.







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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/16/2011 10:30:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Trying to explain facts to realone is like trying to tell a rattlesnake not to strike. It does not work.

His warped perception of the world has been proven time and again, and your best bet is to put him on ignore and leave it alone. Comment only on responses to his lunatic ravings and rampant ignorance.
I have him on ignore. The only time I have to read his insane ravings is when you all quote him. So how about not doing that, ja?


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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/16/2011 11:58:54 PM   
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That is the only way I read what he has to say, Hippiekinkster, otherwise I just comment on things others have said, OR, just try to point out the facts about his ravings.

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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/17/2011 8:42:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

ok...

there is no difference between a sovereign and a king, they are one and the same.   The states have been set up as kings, not only in reference to the other states but OVER you as well!



The definition of "Sovereing State" has had different meaning at different times, and to different people. Few would equate the term in its modern usage to the word "King". Indeed not every US State calls itself a  "State" some user other terms. Either way I dont see "Statehood" equating to "King" since the State is "We the people"

You could be correct in the notion that the State protects itself as a whole instead of the individual, but what is the point of having states if not for unity


ok well pick one then

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sov·er·eign  (svr-n, svrn) n.
1. One that exercises supreme, permanent authority, especially in a nation or other governmental unit, as:
a. A king, queen, or other noble person who serves as chief of state; a ruler or monarch.
b. A national governing council or committee.
2. A nation that governs territory outside its borders.
3. A gold coin formerly used in Great Britain.
adj.


1. Self-governing; independent: a sovereign state.
2. Having supreme rank or power: a sovereign prince.
3. Paramount; supreme: Her sovereign virtue is compassion.

4.
a. Of superlative strength or efficacy: a sovereign remedy.
b. Unmitigated: sovereign contempt.
[Middle English soverain, from Old French, from Vulgar Latin *supernus, from Latin super, above; see uper in Indo-European roots.]
sover·eign·ly adv.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition


sovereign [ˈsɒvrɪn] n
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a person exercising supreme authority, esp a monarch
2. (Economics, Accounting & Finance / Currencies) a former British gold coin worth one pound sterling

adj
1. supreme in rank or authority a sovereign lord
2. excellent or outstanding a sovereign remedy
3. of, relating to, or characteristic of a sovereign
4. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) independent of outside authority a sovereign state
[from Old French soverain, from Vulgar Latin superānus (unattested), from Latin super above; also influenced by reign]
sovereignly  adv

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003



Noun   
1. sovereign - a nation's ruler or head of state usually by hereditary right crowned head, monarch
Capetian - a member of the Capetian dynasty
Carlovingian, Carolingian - a member of the Carolingian dynasty
czar, tsar, tzar - a male monarch or emperor (especially of Russia prior to 1917)
emperor - the male ruler of an empire
chief of state, head of state - the chief public representative of a country who may also be the head of government king, male monarch, Rex - a male sovereign; ruler of a kingdom Merovingian - a member of the Merovingian dynasty ruler, swayer - a person who rules or commands; "swayer of the universe"
Shah, Shah of Iran - title for the former hereditary monarch of Iran Adj.   

1.sovereign - (of political bodies) not controlled by outside forces; "an autonomous judiciary"; "a sovereign state" autonomous, self-governing, independent free - able to act at will; not hampered; not under compulsion or restraint; "free enterprise"; "a free port"; "a free country"; "I have an hour free"; "free will"; "free of racism"; "feel free to stay as long as you wish"; "a free choice"
  
2.sovereign - greatest in status or authority or power; "a supreme tribunal" supreme dominant - exercising influence or control; "television plays a dominant role in molding public opinion"; "the dominant partner in the marriage"
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.

sovereign
adjective
1. independent, autonomous, self-governing, free, non-aligned, self-determining The Russian Federation declared itself to be a sovereign republic.

2. supreme, ruling, absolute, chief, royal, principal, dominant, imperial, unlimited, paramount, regal, predominant, monarchal, kingly or queenly No contract can absolutely restrain a sovereign power.

3. excellent, valuable, efficient, helpful, reliable, worthwhile, unfailing, efficacious, effectual wild garlic, a sovereign remedy in any healer's chest

noun
monarch, ruler, king or queen, chief, shah, potentate, supreme ruler, emperor or empress, prince or princess, tsar or tsarina the first British sovereign to set foot on Spanish soil

Collins Thesaurus of the English Language – Complete and Unabridged 2nd Edition. 2002 © HarperCollins Publishers 1995, 2002
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sovereign [ˈsɒvrɪn]
adj
(= autonomous) [state, country] → souverain(e)
(= supreme) [power, ruler] → souverain(e)
n (= monarch) → souverain(e) m/f
(formerly) (= gold coin) → souverain m
Collins English/French Electronic Resource. © HarperCollins Publishers 2005

sovereign
n (= monarch) → Souverän m, → Herrscher(in) m(f); (Brit, old: = coin) → 20-Shilling-Münze f
adj(= supreme) → höchste(r, s), oberste(r, s); state, power → souverän; contempt → tiefste(r, s), äußerste(r, s); the sovereign power of the Pope → die Oberhoheit des Papstes; our sovereign Lord the King (old) → unser gnädiger Herr, der König

a sovereign remedy (lit, fig) → ein Allheilmittel nt → (for gegen)
(Fin) sovereign debt → Staatsschulden pl; sovereign lending → staatliche Kreditaufnahme
Collins German Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged 7th Edition 2005. © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1980 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1997, 1999, 2004, 2005, 2007

sovereign [ˈsɒvrɪn]
1. adj (gen) → sovrano/a
with sovereign contempt (fig) → con sommo disprezzo a sovereign remedy (old) → un rimedio infallibile 2. n (monarch) → sovrano/a; (coin) → sovrana
Collins Italian Dictionary 1st Edition © HarperCollins Publishers 1995

sovereign
n sovereign [ˈsovrin]
a king or queen. koning, koningin adj
(of a country) self-governing a sovereign state.


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sov·er·eign
   /ˈsɒvrɪn, ˈsɒvərɪn, ˈsʌv-/ Show Spelled[sov-rin, sov-er-in, suhv-] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a monarch; a king, queen, or other supreme ruler.
2.
a person who has sovereign power or authority.
3.
a group or body of persons or a state having sovereign authority.
4.
a gold coin of the United Kingdom, equal to one pound sterling: went out of circulation after 1914.
–adjective
5.
belonging to or characteristic of a sovereign or sovereignty; royal.
6.
having supreme rank, power, or authority.
7.
supreme; preeminent; indisputable: a sovereign right.
8.
greatest in degree; utmost or extreme.
9.
being above all others in character, importance, excellence, etc.
10.
efficacious; potent: a sovereign remedy.
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Origin:
1250–1300;  ME soverain  (alter. by influence of reign) < OF soverain  < VL *superānus,  equiv. to L super- super-  + -ānus -an

—Related forms
sov·er·eign·ly, adverb
non·sov·er·eign, noun, adjective
non·sov·er·eign·ly, adverb
qua·si-sov·er·eign, adjective
sub·sov·er·eign, noun, adjective
su·per·sov·er·eign, adjective, noun
un·der·sov·er·eign, noun
un·sov·er·eign, adjective

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sovereign — n
1.     a person exercising supreme authority, esp a monarch
2.     a former British gold coin worth one pound sterling

— adj
3.     supreme in rank or authority: a sovereign lord
4.     excellent or outstanding: a sovereign remedy
5.     of, relating to, or characteristic of a sovereign
6.     independent of outside authority: a sovereign state

[C13: from Old French soverain,  from Vulgar Latin superānus  (unattested), from Latin super  above; also influenced by reign ]

'sovereignly

— adv

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sov·er·eign definition
Pronunciation:  /ˈsäv-(ə-)rən/
Function: adj
:  having generalized curative powers sovereign  remedy>
Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2007 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

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Main Entry: sov·er·eign
Pronunciation: 'sä-vr&n, 's&-, -v&-r&n
Variant: also sov·ran /-vr&n/
Function: noun
:  a person or political entity (as a nation or state) possessing or held to possess sovereignty sovereigns…the United States on the one hand and the State of California on the other —U.S. Code> —see also sovereign immunity at IMMUNITY

Main Entry: sovereign
Variant: also sovran
Function: adjective
1 :  possessed of supreme power sovereign ruler>
2 : enjoying autonomy <sovereign states>
3 : relating to, characteristic of, or befitting a sovereign
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Definitions of sovereign on the Web:

   * autonomous: (of political bodies) not controlled by outside forces; "an autonomous judiciary"; "a sovereign state"
   * a nation's ruler or head of state usually by hereditary right
   * greatest in status or authority or power; "a supreme tribunal"
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   * Sovereignty is the quality of having supreme, independent authority over a territory. It can be found in a power to rule and make law that rests on a political fact for which no purely legal explanation can be provided. ...
     en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign

   * sovereignty - government free from external control
   * sovereignty - reign: royal authority; the dominion of a monarch
   * sovereignty - the authority of a state to govern another state
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   * sovereignty - The state of making laws and controlling resources without the coercion of other nations; Supreme authority over all things. (Ref. ‘King of kings, and Lord of lords’); The liberty to decide one's thoughts and actions
     en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sovereignty


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  3. half sovereign (noun)



sov·er·eign
noun
Definition of SOVEREIGN
1
a : one possessing or held to possess supreme political power or sovereignty b : one that exercises supreme authority within a limited sphere c : an acknowledged leader : arbiter
2
: any of various gold coins of the United Kingdom
See sovereign defined for English-language learners »
Variants of SOVEREIGN
sov·er·eign also sov·ran \ˈsä-v(ə-)rən, -vərn also ˈsə-\
Examples of SOVEREIGN

  1. <after the current sovereign dies, the monarchy may be abolished>
  2. Ricky Martin, sovereign of Latin pop culture, is back. —Raquel Cepeda, Vibe, May 1999
  3. During these two centuries the throne of Scotland was occupied by no more than seven sovereigns of only four different generations. —G.W.S. Barrow, The Anglo-Norman Era In Scottish History, 1980
  4. [+]more[-]hide

Origin of SOVEREIGN
Middle English soverain, from Anglo-French soverein, from soverein, adjective (see 2sovereign)

First Known Use: 13th century
Related to SOVEREIGN
Synonyms: autocrat, potentate, ruler, monarch (also sovran)
Related Words: coruler; Caesar, czar (also tsar or tzar), emir (or amir also ameer), emperor, empress, kaiser, khan, khedive, king, lord, mikado, mogul, prince, queen, satrap, shah, sultan, suzerain; authoritarian, Big Brother, despot, dictator, führer (or fuehrer), monocrat, overlord, paramount, tyrant

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sov·er·eign

adjective

  1. above or superior to all others; chief; greatest; supreme
  2. supreme in power, rank, or authority
  3. of or holding the position of ruler; royal; reigning
  4. independent of all others: a sovereign state
  5. excellent; outstanding
  6. very effectual, as a cure or remedy

Origin: ME soveraine < OFr < VL *superanus < L super, above, over

noun

  1. a person who possesses sovereign authority or power; specif., a monarch or ruler
  2. a British gold coin valued at 20 shillings or one pound sterling, no longer minted for circulation

Related Forms:

   * sovereignly sov′·er·eignly adverb

Webster's New World College Dictionary Copyright © 2010 by Wiley Publishing, Inc., Cleveland, Ohio.
Used by arrangement with John Wiley & Sons, Inc.

sov·er·eign (sŏvˈər-ĭn, sŏvˈrĭn)
noun

  1. One that exercises supreme, permanent authority, especially in a nation or other governmental unit, as:
     a. A king, queen, or other noble person who serves as chief of state; a ruler or monarch.
     b. A national governing council or committee.
  2. A nation that governs territory outside its borders.
  3. A gold coin formerly used in Great Britain.

adjective

  1. Self-governing; independent: a sovereign state.
  2. Having supreme rank or power: a sovereign prince.
  3. Paramount; supreme: Her sovereign virtue is compassion.
  4.
     a. Of superlative strength or efficacy: a sovereign remedy.
     b. Unmitigated: sovereign contempt.

Origin: Middle English soverain, from Old French, from Vulgar Latin *superānus, from Latin super, above; see uper in Indo-European roots.

Related Forms:

   * sovereignly sovˈer·eign·ly adverb

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th edition


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sovereign
  
  
sover·eign [ sóvvrən ]


noun  (plural sov·er·eigns)
Definition:

1. monarch: the ruler or permanent head of a state, especially a king or queen

2. old British gold coin: a gold coin worth one pound, used in Britain between the early 17th and the early 20th centuries



adjective
Definition:

1. independent: self-governing and not ruled by any other state
a sovereign state

2. with complete power: having supreme authority or power
The king is the sovereign ruler of the land.

3. outstanding: outstanding, e.g. in its excellence or effectiveness
Her voice was her sovereign talent.

[13th century. Via Old French souverein< Vulgar Latin superanus< Latin super "above"]

sov·er·eign·ly adverb






looks to me like the meaning is pretty much the same to everyone all the time.

Begs the question why you would say what you did?


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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/17/2011 10:09:06 PM   
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Yes people with their head so far up their ass they will never again see day light have this problem with me: 
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Trying to explain facts to realone is like trying to tell a rattlesnake not to strike. It does not work.

His warped perception of the world has been proven time and again, and your best bet is to put him on ignore and leave it alone. Comment only on responses to his lunatic ravings and rampant ignorance.


Life gets rough when the boy proves his points in law STOMP STOMP! LMAO

THE STATE AS PARENS PATRIAE The concept of parens patriae is derived from the English constitutional system. As the system developed from its feudal beginnings, the King retained certain duties and powers, which were referred to as the "royal prerogative." Malina & Blechman, Parens Patriae Suits for Treble Damages Under the Antitrust Laws, 65 Nw. U. L. Rev. 193, 197 (1970) (hereinafter Malina & Blechman); State Protection of its Economy and Environment: Parens Patriae Suits for Damages, 6 Col. J. L. & Soc. Prob. 411, 412 (1970) (hereinafter State Protection). These powers and duties were said to be exercised by the King in his capacity as "father of the country."[8] Traditionally, the term was used to refer to the King's power as guardian of persons under legal disabilities to act for themselves.[9]  That does not mean act as a result of an attorney it means exactly what it says act for yourselfIN COURT the second you need ot hire an attorney you are a WARD OF THE COURT, and I do not have the CJS citation handy but its in there

For example, Blackstone refers to the sovereign or his representative as "the general guardian of all infants, (the state owns your fucking kids!) idiots, and lunatics,"[10] <<< that is what the court will determine you are if you fight and use the constitution as your remedy and they will tell you if you bring the constitution up one more time in "their" court you will be held in contempt and fined!   welcome to the desert of the REAL!)  and as the superintendent of "all charitable uses in the kingdom."[11]  USES! That means YOU!


In the United States, the "royal prerogative" and the "parens patriae" function of the King passed to the States.

The state is your mommy get used to it!

How's freedom working for ya kiddies?


No wonder those ahabs hate us with freedom like the mexicans will go back home!

The nature of the parens patriae suit has been greatly expanded in the United States beyond that which existed in England.

This expansion was first evidenced in Louisiana v. Texas, 176 U. S. 1 (1900), a case in which the State of Louisiana brought suit to enjoin officials of the State of Texas from so administering the Texas quarantine regulations as to prevent Louisiana merchants 258*258 from sending goods into Texas. This Court recognized that Louisiana was attempting to sue, not because of any particular injury to a business of the State, but as parens patriae for all her citizens. 176 U. S., at 19. While the Court found that parens patriae could not properly be invoked in that case, the propriety and utility of parens patriae suits were clearly recognized. This Court's acceptance of the notion of parens patriae suits in Louisiana v. Texas was followed in a series of cases: Missouri v. Illinois, 180 U. S. 208 (1901) (holding that Missouri was permitted to sue Illinois and a Chicago sanitation district on behalf of Missouri citizens to enjoin the discharge of sewage into the Mississippi River); Kansas v. Colorado, 206 U. S. 46 (1907) (holding that Kansas was permitted to sue as parens patriae to enjoin the diversion of water from an interstate stream); Georgia v. Tennessee Copper Co., 206 U. S. 230 (1907) (holding that Georgia was entitled to sue to enjoin fumes from a copper plant across the state border from injuring land in five Georgia counties); New York v. New Jersey, 256 U. S. 296 (1921) (holding that New York could sue to enjoin the discharge of sewage into the New York harbor); Pennsylvania v. West Virginia, 262 U. S. 553 (1923) (holding that Pennsylvania might sue to enjoin restraints on the commercial flow of natural gas); and North Dakota v. Minnesota, 263 U. S. 365 (1923) (holding that Minnesota could sue to enjoin changes in drainage which increase the flow of water in an interstate stream). These cases establish the right of a State to sue as parens patriae to prevent or repair harm to its "quasisovereign" interests.[12] They deal primarily with original 259*259 suits brought directly in this Court pursuant to Art. III, § 2, of the Constitution under common-law rights of action. The question in this case is not whether Hawaii may maintain its lawsuit on behalf of its citizens, but rather whether the injury for which it seeks to recover is compensable under § 4 of the Clayton Act. Hence, Hawaii's claim cannot be resolved simply by reference to any general principles governing parens patriae actions. The only time this Court has ever faced the question of what relief, if any, the antitrust laws offer a State suing as parens patriae was in Georgia v. Pennsylvania R. Co., 324 U. S. 439 (1945), the case relied on most heavily by the parties herein. In that case, Georgia sought to invoke the original jurisdiction of this Court by filing an amended bill of complaint against 20 railroads, alleging, in essence, that the railroads had conspired to restrain trade and to fix prices in a manner that would favor shippers in other States (particularly Northern States) to the detriment of Georgia shippers. Like this suit, Georgia arose under the federal antitrust laws. It is plain from the face of the complaint that "[t]he prayer [was] for damages and for injunctive relief." 324 U. S., at 445. See id., at 446-447, 450-451.[13] Georgia claimed that the conspiracy had 260*260 severely damaged its economy and sought to recover damages on behalf of its citizens. The Court upheld Georgia's claim as parens patriae with respect to injunctive relief, but had no occasion to consider whether the antitrust laws also authorized damages for an injury to the State's economy, since approval of the challenged rates by the Interstate Commerce Commission barred a damage recovery on the ground that such a remedy would have given Georgia shippers an unfair advantage over shippers from other States. See Keogh v. Chicago & Northwestern R. Co., 260 U. S. 156 (1922). Nowhere in Georgia did the Court address itself to the question whether § 4 of the Clayton Act authorizes damages for an injury to the general economy of a State. Thus, the question presented here is open. III. HAWAII AND THE ANTITRUST LAWS Hawaii grounds its claim for treble damages in § 4 of the Clayton Act, 15 U. S. C. § 15, which reads:
"Any person who shall be injured in his business or property by reason of anything forbidden in the antitrust laws may sue therefore in any district court of the United States in the district in which the defendant resides or is found or has an agent, without respect to the amount in controversy, and shall recover threefold the damages by him sustained, and the cost of suit, including a reasonable attorney's fee."
This section is notably different from § 16 of the Clayton Act, 15 U. S. C. § 26, which provides for injunctive relief:
"Any person, firm, corporation, or association shall be entitled to sue for and have injunctive relief, in any court of the United States having jurisdiction over the parties, against threatened loss or damage 261*261 by a violation of the antitrust laws . . . when and under the same conditions and principles as injunctive relief against threatened conduct that will cause loss or damage is granted by courts of equity, under the rules governing such proceedings . . . ."
Hawaii plainly qualifies as a person under both sections of the statute, whether it sues in its proprietary capacity or as parens patriae. Georgia v. Pennsylvania R. Co., 324 U. S., at 447. But the critical question is whether the injury asserted by Hawaii in its parens patriae count is an injury to its "business or property." 
405 U.S. 251 (1972) HAWAII
v.
STANDARD OIL CO. OF CALIFORNIA ET AL. No. 70-49. Supreme Court of United States. Argued October 21, 1971. Decided March 1, 1972.

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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/17/2011 10:35:38 PM   
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the 14th amendment forward blasted your asses right back into feudalism and it was only a matter of working out the "nation building" legalese infrastructure over the next 100 years to OWN YOUR ASSES lock stock and barrel!  LOL

I love it people here believe they are free because they are TOLD they are free with no clue what any of it means!

read it and fucking weep!

What do you think Dom Ken?  Should CM  report me to MI6 and the Queen now for blowing the whistle on their scam?

Its in the courts and there you have it, you are the upholder of the supreme court as GOD so what you got to say about that? 




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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/18/2011 7:34:25 AM   
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If governments are instituted to protect you and your "stuff" then why doesnt the atty general defend you and your stuff from all comers?


Ah. The perfectionist fallacy.

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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/18/2011 7:40:11 AM   
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Laughable.....you keep posting nonsense and still cant see the wood from the trees. If you had half a brain you would see that your own posts give you plenty of different definitions.

Previously ( and on more than one occassion) you have insisted America is still owned by the Crown. Yet here we have it, your own myriad of posts showing alternative meanings of the word Sovereign. Your posts are a laughing stock, which is why others have you hidden, frankly I dont blame them. Maybe, just maybe, people would take you seriously if you didnt keep trying to insist ancient laws, long since changed in the UK, have any relevance to what you jokingly call facts.

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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/18/2011 8:16:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

ok...

there is no difference between a sovereign and a king, they are one and the same . . .  

ok well pick one then . . .

quote:

sov·er·eign  (svr-n, svrn) n.
3. A gold coin formerly used in Great Britain.
2. (Economics, Accounting & Finance / Currencies) a former British gold coin worth one pound sterling

3. excellent, valuable, efficient, helpful, reliable, worthwhile, unfailing, efficacious, effectual wild garlic, a sovereign remedy in any healer's chest

(formerly) (= gold coin) → souverain m

(Brit, old: = coin) → 20-Shilling-Münze fa sovereign remedy (lit, fig) → ein Allheilmittel nt → (for gegen)
a gold coin of the United Kingdom, equal to one pound sterling: went out of circulation after 1914.
2.     a former British gold coin worth one pound sterling
2. any of various gold coins of the United Kingdom
6. very effectual, as a cure or remedy

2. a British gold coin valued at 20 shillings or one pound sterling, no longer minted for circulation

3. A gold coin formerly used in Great Britain.
2. old British gold coin: a gold coin worth one pound, used in Britain between the early 17th and the early 20th centuries

looks to me like the meaning is pretty much the same to everyone all the time.

Begs the question why you would say what you did?





I choose this one, from all dictionaries.  Begs the question, why the fuck are you spouting nonsense about old coins? 

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I choose this one, from all dictionaries.  Begs the question, why the fuck are you spouting nonsense about old coins? 


Otter, I would guess that he has become more confused as his mental instability has increased, thus making his ravings more insane as time goes by.

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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/18/2011 1:08:16 PM   
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Um,maybe more lawmakers should be protecting themselves.Congressman and Congresswoman are out in the public spotlight many times.The reality is,there will always be some looney tunes nutjob like the shooter at Tuscon who dosent need a reason to do what they do.THEY ARE NUTS!!Its that simple.Judges,lawmakers,they are out in the public spotlight.They need to protect themselves.

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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/18/2011 2:57:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail



I choose this one, from all dictionaries.  Begs the question, why the fuck are you spouting nonsense about old coins? 


Otter, I would guess that he has become more confused as his mental instability has increased, thus making his ravings more insane as time goes by.


I have to admit there is not a whole lot more enjoyable than watching people like you squirm when I back your asses into a corner you cant get out of!   LOL

I think I am becoming a Dom! LMAO


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RE: No protection? To bad! How many times do I gotta te... - 1/18/2011 2:58:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

ok...

there is no difference between a sovereign and a king, they are one and the same . . .  

ok well pick one then . . .

quote:

sov·er·eign  (svr-n, svrn) n.
3. A gold coin formerly used in Great Britain.
2. (Economics, Accounting & Finance / Currencies) a former British gold coin worth one pound sterling

3. excellent, valuable, efficient, helpful, reliable, worthwhile, unfailing, efficacious, effectual wild garlic, a sovereign remedy in any healer's chest

(formerly) (= gold coin) → souverain m

(Brit, old: = coin) → 20-Shilling-Münze fa sovereign remedy (lit, fig) → ein Allheilmittel nt → (for gegen)
a gold coin of the United Kingdom, equal to one pound sterling: went out of circulation after 1914.
2.     a former British gold coin worth one pound sterling
2. any of various gold coins of the United Kingdom
6. very effectual, as a cure or remedy

2. a British gold coin valued at 20 shillings or one pound sterling, no longer minted for circulation

3. A gold coin formerly used in Great Britain.
2. old British gold coin: a gold coin worth one pound, used in Britain between the early 17th and the early 20th centuries

looks to me like the meaning is pretty much the same to everyone all the time.

Begs the question why you would say what you did?





I choose this one, from all dictionaries.  Begs the question, why the fuck are you spouting nonsense about old coins? 


yeh you can say "coins" rule the world in an off hand sort of way


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