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RE: bondage in public - 3/8/2007 4:05:42 PM   
sambamanslilgirl


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Status: offline 		this is Chicago - even a public exhibitionist wearing body paint can get arrested for public nudity even though that person would claim it's art and the paint is covering sensitive areas. there are certain places/areas (like Boys Town on a Friday night) around town where wearing a collar and leash is excepted and Michigan AV along the Gold Coast isn't one of them.


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RE: bondage in public - 3/8/2007 4:12:48 PM   
MagiksSlave


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Status: offline 		Honestly this has nothing to do with you and weather you are comfertable with it it has everything to do with involving non consenting people includeing minors in your kink.. they havent consented to see you the children cant consent to it legaly. How would you feel if you where the venilla out on a regular day where you had every right not to expect to have to face such a thing yet there it was how would you feel if you were with a young child and then had to explain what in the world they where seeing. It isnt right. Going to places where you know things like this happen then you haved already consented to see it and there for cant say anything but out in regular public you have a right to feel safe that this sort of things wont be pushed in your face. So while you may have given your Master the right to do what ever he wishes to you others around you have not given your Master that right and there for he should not be bringing them into it. Just like you are not the entire words slave he is not the entire worlds Master.

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RE: bondage in public - 3/8/2007 4:39:12 PM   
littleone35


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Status: offline 		To wo\hoever siad ch UM's will not ask unless you react to it  well you don't know my 2 youngest neices and young nephew.  They ask about a lot of things and i would hate to have them ask , Aunt kris what is that man doing to that lady?.  I don't know what i would say because whatever i tell them has to pass by my sister.

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RE: bondage in public - 3/8/2007 4:43:43 PM   
Mercnbeth


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quote:

ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

this is Chicago - even a public exhibitionist wearing body paint can get arrested for public nudity even though that person would claim it's art and the paint is covering sensitive areas. there are certain places/areas (like Boys Town on a Friday night) around town where wearing a collar and leash is excepted and Michigan AV along the Gold Coast isn't one of them.



so, what your saying is, walking around in broad daylight with a collar and leash on is considered public nudity, but in certain areas at night, it isn't?
 
do ya'll feel the same about homosexuals or mixed race couples walking down the street holding hands or engaging in other PDA...or do you have acceptable areas for that as well?

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RE: bondage in public - 3/8/2007 5:27:09 PM   
BRNaughtyAngel


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Status: offline 		For me, it would all depend on where I was going or being taken as to what "I" would deem appropriate attire.  For me personally, IF I'm gonna be stared at, I'd rather it be because I looked nice, not because I looked totally out of place or like I was dying for attention.  I hate being the center of attention.

I would no more be comfortable parading around town attached to my Master by collar/leash than I would going to a nice restaurant dressed like I was going to a football game.  I'm just weird that way.

Of course, I'm speaking for me and not Him.

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RE: bondage in public - 3/8/2007 6:02:34 PM   
subsnow


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Status: offline 		i don't think that we should hide our lifestyle because people don't understand it. If they want  to judge me because they don't understand the lifestyle, they can go right ahead. They might think it's all about sex but it's not so i shouldn't have to hide. i don't like the fact that they would arrest people for being led on a leash in Chicago. They wouldn't arrest someone in a trenchcoat who has spiked piercings sticking out of their eyebrows. Why would going out in slave gear be any different?As for the kiddies, do you hide them from that guy wearing the spiked piercings? i'm sure they would ask about that. Just tell the kids that this person just likes dressing like that. i think that it is important to teach kids acceptance and tolerance for others. To each their own, let everyone be. i hate ignorance and intolerance. That's just me. my mom was very open about everything at a very young age. i think it did me good.

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RE: bondage in public - 3/8/2007 7:11:43 PM   
SimplySubmissive


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quote:

ORIGINAL: angelic

i was thinking about this and wondered if a little unmentionable saw you collared being led on a leash would even give it a moment's thought if left up to their own devices or would their response be as a direct reaction to the parental figures reaction?  If that makes any sense at all to anyone else but me. 




kids pretend all the time.. "you be the kitty" .anything that can be tied will eventually end up as a leash of some sort, playing puppy or kitty.  kids don't think something is bad or wrong unless they feel that vibe from others. 
makes sense to me..;)

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RE: bondage in public - 3/8/2007 8:47:44 PM   
AquaticSub


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

this slave wasn't introduced to Master walking her with a collar and leash as "bondage".  It is this slave's understanding that it signifies a connection between us, that many misunderstand as they only view it as part of a private sexual "fetish" that makes their dick all hard and not as a symbol of a relationship structure that could have NOTHING at all to do with bondage.
 
"Why is that girl wearing a collar and being led around on a leash, mommy?
"Because she wants to Little Johnny."
 
sounds pretty simple...no SEX Ed involved.
 
(she isn't being dragged kicking and sceaming naked is she?)
 
the point this slave was trying to make with her story is about ignorance, and how easy it is to interpret information about something that could be viewed as SEX ED, or as part of the human experience, depending on one's perspective even at the tender age of 5.


As usual, you make an excellent point. *smiles* I always do enjoy discussion with the both of you. I suppose it depends on why people are doing something. I have a hard time believing that many people are doing it for the reasons you talk about, and not to get a sexual kick out of it. Though your answer for explaining it is amazingly simply (why don't I ever think of things? ). I guess the whole thing feels iffy to me!

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RE: bondage in public - 4/13/2007 9:24:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		obey your master if he wants you naked and  on leash you said yes master

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RE: bondage in public - 4/13/2007 9:37:21 AM   
slaveluci


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ORIGINAL: kajari
should slave have concerns?

With all due respect, how can anyone tell you whether or not you should have concerns?  You either have them or you don't.  IF you do, hopefully you are in a relationship where you can openly and honestly discuss them.  If your master allows you to speak your mind at any time, i suggest you would be well-served discussing this with him as he will be the one making the final decision.  But then, that's just my take on things.....slave luci

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RE: bondage in public - 4/13/2007 1:03:43 PM   
slaveish


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quote:

ORIGINAL: kajari

Master has indicated He wants to have slave in attire in public. This means cuffs,collar, leash and waist belt. Master wants to lead slave on a leash and has said slave should be proud to be displayed as Masters property. should slave have concerns? slave loves Master and dedicates every moment to Him


Omg. That is HOT. One would assume that Master will choose an appropriate venue but his slave would do well to know how his mind works around such issues before she begs collar.

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RE: bondage in public - 4/13/2007 3:25:46 PM   
Celeste43


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Status: offline 		Depends on when and where. Showing up at a dungeon like this, no sweat. Showing up at your grandmother's 85 birthday party is not appropiate. Neither is going to your nephew's graduation from pre-school.

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RE: bondage in public - 4/13/2007 3:51:23 PM   
slaveish


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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

Showing up at your grandmother's 85 birthday party is not appropiate. Neither is going to your nephew's graduation from pre-school.


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RE: bondage in public - 4/13/2007 5:15:18 PM   
grlneedstolearn


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quote:

ORIGINAL: kajari

Master has indicated He wants to have slave in attire in public. This means cuffs,collar, leash and waist belt. Master wants to lead slave on a leash and has said slave should be proud to be displayed as Masters property. should slave have concerns? slave loves Master and dedicates every moment to Him


i personally wouldn't. But i do go out in public wearing my ankle cuffs with pants an sometimes my wrist cuffs with a coat or long sleeve shirt, but that would be as far as i would go.

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RE: bondage in public - 4/13/2007 5:25:47 PM   
Rose4Mistress


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Status: offline 		Public as in fetish ball public, hell yes, I would be excited to do so.  Public as in down mainstreet at noon public......ah no. 

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RE: bondage in public - 4/14/2007 3:19:06 AM   
eyesopened


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Status: offline 		i have been led on a leash in public on two occassions.  One was at a Witch's Ball on Halloween and another time taken to a very large (mostly vanilla) adult video/fetish store to browse.  In both cases, there really wasn't any danger of exposing this to anyone who would feel especially uncomfortable and in both cases there were more looks of admiration than anything. Choose public venues carefully.  One shouldn't wear a bikini to a funeral just because one can.

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RE: bondage in public - 4/14/2007 4:56:43 AM   
ShiftedJewel


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I'm going to chime in with the others that said saplings will react to what they are taught to react to. I/we don't hide who we are and what we do. Twicehappy wears her collar 24/7 and refers to us as Master and Mistress no matter where we are. We live in a small town (by small I mean around 2000 pop) and the people here that know us know we are a "family", no one asks for details, I'm pretty sure they don't really want to know... lol.
 
Anyway, as far as not involving the general population in our kink? Bull shit. How long did the 400 pound 5 foot woman worry about involving the "innocent" public in her choices think about it before she put on those spandex pants and shortie shirt? I don't get up in the morning and wonder if I should avoid wearing my leathers because it might be something that would upset someones preschooler! If all the body parts that legally have to be covered are covered then I don't see an issue. If a kid asks then simply reply "well, that's how they like to dress I guess"... that simple. It really is no different then anything else you see in shopping centers. Bi-racial couples no longer draw the terrible stares they used to get, same sex couples don't either. Why? Because it's become politically incorrect to do so. But they didn't get there over night and they didn't get there by keeping it hidden either. Little ones will only react badly if they are taught to. If they see that it's no big deal to the grownups around them then it won't be a big deal to them. They really do learn what they live.
 
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RE: bondage in public - 4/14/2007 8:13:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NoCalOwner

The issue of kids and other vanilla people seeing us raises an interesting question..

Where I live, it's as common to see same-sex couples (and occasional larger groups) walking down Main Street hand in hand as it is hetero couples. I've always viewed this is a positive thing, and tolerance is one of the main reasons we are living (and raising our kid) where we are. So when a local kid has an unusual number of moms and/or dads, it's no big deal. When at Folsom Street this year, I noticed that some parents seem to feel more strongly about this than I do, as there was a very vanilla-looking "soccer mom" smilingly leading her two young girls through the crowd.

At what point does people seeing us as we are, in a setting where they might expect to see that, become harmful/unethical?


Simple, they're not your kids. You don't get to decide when other people's children get exposed to alternative lifestyles. Only the parents get to decide that. 

Who do you want telling your children about the birds and the bees? Some stranger walking down the street? Or yourself?

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RE: bondage in public - 4/14/2007 9:32:38 AM   
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I could not care less about anyone wearing a collar, spiked or not. I don't care about facial piercings, etc. What I would not like for my kids to witness is someone who is in, for lack of a better word, "active bondage". This would be, someone wearing cuffs (linked, not just the separate cuffs on the wrists), someone on a leash, someone tied in some way, someone wearing a gag, or hooded, etc. To me, this is not comparable to a choice in clothing style, this is actively practicing bondage, and it is wrong to do this in a vanilla setting. It violates the "consensual" just as much as a flasher exposing him/herself would. It is more about exhibitionism than a celebration of Mastery.

If someone needs more than that as reasoning, then how about considering the effect of seeing someone in bondage might have on children. A small child knows criminals are cuffed and taken into custody, he/she knows bad people may kidnap others and do bad things to them; he should not have to have nightmares about the scarey leatherclad guy who held the woman cuffed and in chains in the line in front of him at Baskin Robbins.

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RE: bondage in public - 4/14/2007 10:53:42 AM   
BoundDragon


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Status: offline 		Hmmm... good question which has opened up a good discussion.

I am quite lucky here where I live... so much more is acceptable or at least is tolerated. I always think its ok for Emos, goths, punks can all wear what is fashionable to them... homosexuals can walk down the street with none to very little agro (except for the odd individual). BUT I do agree there are some considerations... going out in full slave attire may cause some negative reactions and I believe that parents with their children would (rightfully) more than likely be the more upset about it.

Collar is an easy one to get away with.... even cuffs can look like a fashion statment as long as they are not linked.
The leash however is a much harder one to hide or make at the very least less obvious.
Then what would your clothing be?? It would have to be what most would consider decent (baring in mind it seems perfectly acceptable here for school girls to walk round with their panties hanging out the bottom of their exceptionally short skirts).

A lot of consideration needs to go into this scenario... it could work very well but I think compromise would need to come into it.

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