jlf1961
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
GM?
Any other companies that you may think of, that the guv'ment "manages" or has threatened to take over if they do not do as their political masters wish?
Ya think the health care bill isn't a "management of the economy"?
So, you are saying that it would have been better to let GM go under? How did the government take over management of GM? There was a bail out which has been paid back, and the stock that the government had in GM was sold at a profit, or did that fact slip your mind?
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Both Democrats and Republicans of the last few decades are more into a "managed economy" than they should be, but it seems to becoming a Democratic core belief:
While nearly half of Democrats (49%) think the government's appropriate economic role is to provide helpful programs, 42% of those in President Obama's party say the government should manage the economy completely.
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By the way, any economist would show you that the only way the "Managed Economy" of Nazi Germany worked was with confiscation of resources, a massive military buildup, in which factories were told to produce military arms and equipment even if it was not profitable for the firm.
Yes, they had the highest GDP for the period of time from when Hitler took absolute control until the beginning of the war. Yes there was low unemployment, easy to accomplish when most of the male population was either making arms and armaments or in the military.
"Any economist"? Damn. Can you cite any proof of this? Are there an "economists" who might not believe this?
If there is a single one, then your statement is hyperbole (just like the rest of your crappy, uneducated, ideologically biased statements in this thread).
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The program would not have worked in the long term.
Then I'll never hear from you, or any other member of the left that it was WWII that got the US out of the Great Depression?
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Do you see the democrats proposing anything that resembles Nazi doctrine? NO. It is happening only in the minds of Glen Beck, Rush and the tea party.
See it all the time, buddy. Take off your ideological, hate filled blinders, and you might as well.
Firm
PS. Care to acknowledge the Sino-Viet war? Yanno, one were "socialist" fought "socialist" - which you claimed couldn't happen?
First lets address the point about a managed economy.
The soviet Union had a managed Economy, an economic crisis led to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
France has a socialist government, France has increased the work week, cut paid vacations and inacted austerity measures. Clearly the managed economy is not working.
The same is true for other countries, such as Greece.
Looks to me that the idea of a managed economy is not working out to well.
I did not say it couldn't happen, I said that it was not the norm. You forgot to mention the Russian Chinese border incidents.
In the case of the sino-viet war and the Soviet Union- China border clashes, they are both socialist governments, true. However, they follow two vastly different doctrines, Vietnam is more of a soviet styled government which did not get much support from the Chinese.
That still does not change the fact that, all things being equal, socialist movements tend to work together.
A fascist movement will attack, condemn and destroy a socialist movement. The Nazis were fascists, NOT socialists. That point has been addressed by myself and one other person in this thread, which as per your usual behavior have chosen to ignore.
Once more, the Nazis put socialists in concentration camps, the fought along side the fascists in Spain against the Socialists.
Finally, the Nazis were a NATIONALIST movement, who used socialist in the name of the party to garner worker support. The programs they introduced were as far from socialism as they could get.
Now as for white supremacist groups and American Nazi groups being right wing, I suggest you look Here.
< Message edited by jlf1961 -- 1/23/2011 9:28:15 PM >
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