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jlf1961 -> Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 3:09:37 PM)

Over the last two years, I have noticed that right wing talking heads like Rush and Beck, as well as the tea party either have rewritten history to suit themselves, (when it comes to recent history,OR they flunked history so badly as to not grasp a few fundamental facts.

The simple facts have spoken for themselves, and even when the principle people involved have admitted the facts, the right seems to be hell bent in perpetuating a lie.

Let me start with the most obvious evidence that the conservatives have completely forgotten the history they were taught in school, OR that the failed the class and were graduated in order to make room for more students.

Lets start with the right's constant comparison of the Democrats and Obama as Nazis.

Okay, I guess that the conservatives get confused about what Nazi stands for, so for a refresher here it is, in German and the English translation.

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or in English, the National Socialist Workers' Party.

Now I can see where they may get confused, and in doing so, make themselves look like idiots.

The Nazis were fascists, meaning Ultra Nationalist, actually in the case of the Nazi party, they added an ethnic part to their philosophy. As fascists, they were against the Enlightenment, liberalism, democracy, parliamentary politics, capitalism, industrialisation, Marxism and trade unionism. This information is in any high school or college modern history text. It is also found in any text that deals with the various forms of government.

IN OTHER WORDS YOU IDIOTS, the Nazis were a RIGHT WING movement. Please note that the American Nazi movement and white supremacy movements are for the most part, Ultra conservative Nationalist movements.

So to compare the liberals to Nazism is a flawed comparison, because it just does not jive with history.

Now, we will look at the rewritting of modern history.

According to the conservatives, the Affordable health care act is a government takeover of health care.

Sorry, it is not. There is no part of the bill that puts the federal government in control of any form of health care. All that there is a government mandate to have people BUY health insurance. For the government to have taken over health care, it would have had to make the public option available and the ONLY option for health insurance.

The conservatives also claim that we invaded Iraq for two reasons, neither of which were true (even the former heads of the Military and CIA intelligence agencies have said ON RECORD that neither reason was true when given.)

First reason: The Iraqi government is developing WMD's
The ONLY WMD's found in Iraq after the invasion was non-viable chemical warfare rounds that were laying around in the sun. It was agreed that the shells were probably duds from the Iraq/Iran war.

There were no facilities found to produce more chemical agents, the UN had verified this fact for years during inspections after the first gulf war, and with the destruction of the Iraqi reactor and nuclear facilities by the Israelis, they had no nuclear weapon program.

The CIA and Military Intelligence had passed this information to President Bush before the war started and he either A) ignored it, or B) chose to lie about it.

In his book, former President Bush ADMITTED there were no viable weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq.

The second reason given to invade Iraq was that they supported Al Qaeda, which was proven false by the CIA, and consequently by the BBC, AP, and Reuters.

The truth of the matter, as presented by the CIA and later by the news agencies was that Saddam did not trust Osama Bin Laden, and had regularly had Al Qaeda operatives caught in Iraq executed. Not much in the way of showing support, would you not agree?

Then there is TARP, which was championed by then House minority leader John Boenher, who actually got emotional about it.

Now the conservatives say that TARP was a democrat idea, even though it was passed by congress during the Bush administration and SIGNED into law by President Bush. If it was a democrat idea, why the hell didnt Bush veto the damn bill?

I am sure there are more examples but those are the ones that seem to make the most in the news and talk shows.




rulemylife -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 3:18:39 PM)

This will get interesting quickly.

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flcouple2009 -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 3:24:34 PM)

What do you mean?  You can't be a Nazi and a Marxist?  The two actually conflict?

Have you told that to Mr Beck?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 3:30:12 PM)


Ok , lets start with the "constant comparison to Nazis". got any examples? Or are you the one re-writing history?

ACA is INTENDED to lead to a government takeover. Reporting on it from that viewpoint is totally responsible.

Iraq...you are objecting to reporting of what the administration was saying? Whether or not you live in a fantasy world where Bush knew there were no WMDs, EVERY reporter/host reported it as being one of the justifications, regardless of their political leanings. You are simply wrong about Al Qaeda specifically being one of the justifications.

TARP was passed by a Democrat congress. The GOP was largely ignored in the drafting of it and the majority of the GOP opposed it. If it werent for the lies about there being an economic collapse without it there would have been more opposed.

Biggest FAIL of this short year.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 3:32:48 PM)

Did you happen to notice the term "socialist" in "National Socialist Workers Party"?

I guess they just put it there in order to piss off the "real" socialist, hmmm?  [:D]

Firm




FirmhandKY -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 3:42:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The conservatives also claim that we invaded Iraq for two reasons, neither of which were true (even the former heads of the Military and CIA intelligence agencies have said ON RECORD that neither reason was true when given.)

First reason: The Iraqi government is developing WMD's

...

The second reason given to invade Iraq was that they supported Al Qaeda, which was proven false by the CIA, and consequently by the BBC, AP, and Reuters.


Reasons for the war

Saddam and terrorist



quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I am sure there are more examples but those are the ones that seem to make the most in the news and talk shows.

And I'm sure that I could point out different points of view, and facts which you will not even consider, to modify and expand your  understanding of the world.  However, your intensely partisan hatred of anyone who disagrees with you really makes such an effort an onanistic intellectual exercise, and I've plenty of productive things to do already.

Firm




TheHeretic -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 3:53:56 PM)

Reagan won the Cold War.

Lefties, please proceed to illustrate the double standard inherent in the discussion at hand.




flcouple2009 -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 3:57:30 PM)

Firm, good entertainment as always.

Try and paint any way you wish.  Saddam ran a secular government and was always a target of the Islamic extremist.  Hence why he executed the Al Qaeda agents he captured in Iraq.

I do see you are sticking with the thread topic.  The rewriting of history, [:D]




Politesub53 -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 3:58:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


Ok , lets start with the "constant comparison to Nazis". got any examples? Or are you the one re-writing history?

ACA is INTENDED to lead to a government takeover. Reporting on it from that viewpoint is totally responsible.

Iraq...you are objecting to reporting of what the administration was saying? Whether or not you live in a fantasy world where Bush knew there were no WMDs, EVERY reporter/host reported it as being one of the justifications, regardless of their political leanings. You are simply wrong about Al Qaeda specifically being one of the justifications.

TARP was passed by a Democrat congress. The GOP was largely ignored in the drafting of it and the majority of the GOP opposed it. If it werent for the lies about there being an economic collapse without it there would have been more opposed.

Biggest FAIL of this short year.


I cant believe you are so stupid as to denounce all this as incorrect.....Kidding....lol

Bush signed of Tarp, Paulson supported it. Bush signed off a memo allowing Paulson to spend it on anything he saw fit to stave off a financial crisis. To suggest the GOP wasnt involved in Bush`s own legislature is beyond stupid.

Bush insisted there was a link between Al Qaida and Iraq, a link rubbished by the 9/11 commission no less. Bush and Blair also insisted Iraq could fire wmds at the west within 45 minutes, something you either ignore or are unable to comprehend.

You will find dozens of posts on here where the right has compared the Nazis as left wing.

Its incredible you can keep posting this stuff and keep a straight face, because most of us are sitting here laughing.




jlf1961 -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 4:02:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Did you happen to notice the term "socialist" in "National Socialist Workers Party"?

I guess they just put it there in order to piss off the "real" socialist, hmmm?  [:D]

Firm




They were, and this is historic fact, fascists, which is the exact opposite of a socialist. Firm, you are confused as to the facts compared to what you WANT to believe about the Nazi party.

Do your own research.

But to aid you a little.

Socialist do not go to war with socialist, yet the Nazis attacked Russia, and sent communists and true socialist to concentration camps.

During the Spanish Civil War, Germany supported the Fascists of Marco against the socialists and communists.

As I said, do your own research, go to the library. Try to educate yourself.

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Original willbeurdaddy

Ok , lets start with the "constant comparison to Nazis". got any examples? Or are you the one re-writing history?


Glen Beck and the tea party do it all the time, or do you deny this fact. Look at the signs the tea party carried with Obama in a Hitler mustache, and Glen Beck has been nailed repeatedly for doing it.

Now unless you are blind, deaf and dumb, if you have watched the news or Glen Beck, you would have seen it.

Of course you could watch the Daily Show with John Stewart and he just loves it when Glen Beck brings up the Nazis.




JohnWarren -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 4:05:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
The ONLY WMD's found in Iraq after the invasion was non-viable chemical warfare rounds that were laying around in the sun. It was agreed that the shells were probably duds from the Iraq/Iran war.



Little factoid here.  The late Jack McGeorge was part of the team that found those shells.  Libby and I almost fell out of chairs when CNN showed video on the event.  Jack, whose profile was distinctive, was clearly visible in the background.






rulemylife -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 4:08:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

What do you mean?  You can't be a Nazi and a Marxist?  The two actually conflict?

Have you told that to Mr Beck?


Myself, I'm a Nazi Marxist Socialist Commie.

I voted for Obama.




Politesub53 -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 4:08:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Did you happen to notice the term "socialist" in "National Socialist Workers Party"?

I guess they just put it there in order to piss off the "real" socialist, hmmm?  [:D]

Firm



Its a misnoma, rather like calling the bad old party, the good old party. [;)]

Actually your post isnt far from the truth, Hitler added the word Socialist to the name, in order to garner support from the working class. So yes, he did piss of the real socialists, especially the ones he had sent to concentration camps.




mnottertail -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 4:09:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Did you happen to notice the term "socialist" in "National Socialist Workers Party"?

I guess they just put it there in order to piss off the "real" socialist, hmmm?  [:D]

Firm



No, as a matter of fact, they did it for the simple expediency of swelling their ranks in the early days, as they gobbled up other little bullshit fractional parties.

They were about as socialist in nature as dumbo was a whale.

Big business and war ran the country and labour unions and other even remotely for the good of society, mental institutions and so on, ausgenommen.

Gott mit Uns




DomKen -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 4:10:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Did you happen to notice the term "socialist" in "National Socialist Workers Party"?

I guess they just put it there in order to piss off the "real" socialist, hmmm?  [:D]

Firm


That's almsot exactly whythey did it. The Nazi's hated and killed socialists and communists.




jlf1961 -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 4:13:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Did you happen to notice the term "socialist" in "National Socialist Workers Party"?

I guess they just put it there in order to piss off the "real" socialist, hmmm?  [:D]

Firm



No, as a matter of fact, they did it for the simple expediency of swelling their ranks in the early days, as they gobbled up other little bullshit fractional parties.

They were about as socialist in nature as dumbo was a whale.



I wonder what he is going to say when he sees that I pointed out that the Nazis sent socialists to the concentration camps? Or that the Nazis did not support the socialists fighting against Franco in Spain?




rulemylife -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 4:15:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Reagan won the Cold War.



Reagan was a confused old man who couldn't remember which hand he preferred to jack off with.

It is just so comical to listen to conservatives repeating this nonsense.

Who was it that said if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth?







PeonForHer -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 4:20:21 PM)

FR

Don't forget the word 'The'.  The Socialists and The National Socialists.  You can tell from that they have a lot in common. 

Maybe it's theism?  Heh.

I'll get my coat.




mnottertail -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 4:21:57 PM)

Raus mit aus, zur der Deuschmann's haus.

moeglich die, oder?




rulemylife -> RE: Right wing Conservatives and the tea party rewrite history... a LOT (1/23/2011 4:27:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Raus mit aus, zur der Deuschmann's haus.

moeglich die, oder?


Gesundheit.




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