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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/26/2011 7:26:16 PM

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But...that's exactly the problem with this sort of rhetoric. It's not a genuine criticism or comparison, it's simply saying - They are the villain.

I'm sorry but I don't think creating a paradigm where the opponent is "the villain" rather than "the opposing viewpoint" is healthy. If your defense of the use of Nazi terminology boils down to "it's the simplest and easiest way to demonstrate the opponent is a villain" that's no defense at all.

You are right and I have posted before about this polarization from the right versus left being turned into a good versus evil being detrimental.

It was not a defense of using it, merely the best explanation I could give for why it is always THAT example that is used.

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/26/2011 8:54:38 PM

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All I can say is

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-24-2011/24-hour-nazi-party-people

24 hour nazi party people.

The video clip shows a "24/7" thing.

quote:

I assume you're speaking of Fox's constant use of nazi references to describe their political opponents, right?

Constant, constantly, you know what the difference is, right? Hint: one is a noun or adjective, the other is an adverb.

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Again, nowhere did Jon Stewart say it happens constantly, or 24/7. Neither he, nor I made that claim. What he's saying is that it happens, which is the opposite of what Megyn Kelly claims.

You ARE gonna call Jon Stewart on yourself, right?

So I did. You are right about that. I told you that neither I nor Jon made any claim that it was constant, but as you show, I did.

See, that's how you admit your mistakes and keep it honest!

Jon Stewart on the other hand, I think the title was in reference to the fact that he found something that contradicts Megyn Kelly within 24 hours of her claim. I didn't see any reference to 24/7 anywhere, though I've been wrong before lol

I should also probably mention that I went back and watched the skit again just to count, and of all the examples he gave five of them happened in 2010. And the Glen Beck smear 3.5 hours afterward was in response to the congressman's scandal? So what? He still took the opportunity to say that the Nazis and the Progressives have the same tactics.

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/26/2011 9:37:28 PM

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Not to get persnickety, Aylee, and certainly not to endorse non-consensual violence, but there are bitches who like to be slapped, you know.

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 12:35:36 AM

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The Nazi's, Hitler, Goebbels, and the Holocaust are all events that people are readily familiar with. Which is why I think that people tend to use those rather than Pol Pot, Nikola Jorgic, Mao, Stalin, Khemer Rouge, and Kim Jong Il, to name a few. The Nazi's were OUR villain. These other folks that I listed have more readily been other people's villain.

Nazi villains are far more familiar to us in the West. Most of our countries fought against them for one thing so they're part of our cultural and historical heritage. The other monsters - Mao, Stalin, the Khmer Rouge etc. - tended to be local phenomena who, by and large, chose their victims from the ranks of their fellow nationals. They tended not to export their madness and involve other countries or continents in their killing sprees. This may account in part for their popularity as terms of abuse.

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 2:24:52 AM

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Stalin didn't export his killing, to other continents? Wierd world you live in.

Mao didn't invade anywhere??

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 2:28:21 AM

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Whats hillarious is that with this argument, the Left is insisting that a cable talking head is of comparable import to a sitting US Democrat Congressperson, speaking on the floor of the House.

Probably correct.

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 5:06:28 AM

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Whats hillarious is that with this argument, the Left is insisting that a cable talking head is of comparable import to a sitting US Democrat Congressperson, speaking on the floor of the House.

Probably correct.

I would never say that. A cable talking head saying it is worse. Who do you think gets seen by more people? More people watching the congressperson probably have a clue about politics, whereas MILLIONS of people are getting all they know of politics from Fox News.

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 5:10:17 AM

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he's quite an unfunny socialist atheist who like many of his democrat buddies, is not at all concerned with reality or the truth. ahhh to be a leftist for a moment or two. you never have to worry about logic or reality. his ratings are about the same as his butt buddy olbermannn at msnbc.. oh wait, he's not there any longer. I wonder why? comcast bought that piece of crap msnbc and looked at the ratings. With an electron microscope. Since they are a business, they are getting rid of the dead wood. rachel maddow and some of those other brain dead leftists must be flooding npr with their resumes. oh wait, npr/pbs is next!

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 6:30:44 AM

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Stalin didn't export his killing, to other continents? Wierd world you live in.

Mao didn't invade anywhere??

luckydawg,
I had hoped that using modifiers like "tended", and "by and large" and then putting them in italics, I was making it crystal clear to even the dumbest, most barely-literate cretin out there that I wanted to exclude the specific interpretation you chose to find in my post.

Obviously I was far too optimistic.

Please excuse me for over-estimating your intelligence and literacy.

Edited to make the meaning clear to a retarded anemone

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 7:14:10 AM

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he's quite an unfunny socialist atheist

wrong on all three counts.

This smells like a sockpuppet. Did croc cuck guy get banned?

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 8:37:37 AM

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Maybe he just fancied a change?

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 10:05:01 AM

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Stalin didn't export his killing, to other continents? Wierd world you live in.

In Soviet Russia, Eastern Europe invades you.

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 11:16:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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Stalin didn't export his killing, to other continents? Wierd world you live in.

Mao didn't invade anywhere??

luckydawg,
I had hoped that using modifiers like "tended", and "by and large" and then putting them in italics, I was making it crystal clear to even the dumbest, most barely-literate cretin out there that I wanted to exclude the specific interpretation you chose to find in my post.

Obviously I was far too optimistic.

Please excuse me for over-estimating your intelligence and literacy.

Edited to make the meaning clear to a retarded anemone

What other interpretation is there?

Your post was simply incorrect. Most of Stalins victims were not Georgian, and he invaded many other countries. Also he exported his killing to China putting Mao in Power, who also invaded many other countries, and killed millions of people not of his nation.

But your histronics demonstrate to everyone, that you know I am correct.

Real One (one of your Anti Semetic buddies) uses the same tactic regularly when shown to be wrong.

It is yopu who has

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 11:20:30 AM

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Whats hillarious is that with this argument, the Left is insisting that a cable talking head is of comparable import to a sitting US Democrat Congressperson, speaking on the floor of the House.

Probably correct.

I would never say that. A cable talking head saying it is worse. Who do you think gets seen by more people? More people watching the congressperson probably have a clue about politics, whereas MILLIONS of people are getting all they know of politics from Fox News.

Wow so you change terms, to pretend to have an argument. Typical lib tactic, works on the dumb ones.

So you agree(with the Fox comentators) that the Congresspersons words were wrong?

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 11:22:25 AM

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Stalin didn't export his killing, to other continents? Wierd world you live in.

In Soviet Russia, Eastern Europe invades you.

Cuba, Asia, Palestine, and Latin America are in Eastern Europe?

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 11:44:12 AM

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ASSWIPE!!!!!! Stalin invaded no countries.

MAO was given some aviation and supplies.

You are a liar and a coward pretending that giving aid in the form of supplies or military hardware is invading, so you now talk out of both sides of your lying mouth, and as your lies demonstrate to everyone I am correct and you are a dweeb. You are therefore saying that we have invaded North Korea, Iran, Israel, Russia (oh, that one we have) China (oh, that one we have) Canada, Britain, Egypt, Palestine, Columbia, and Yemen, just to name a few.

Because we have supplied either arms and/or other supplies to these countries.

You still haven't apologized for your insolent (and cowardly) behavior about the gitmo detainee this year who was convicted without releasing the names to the world or to the opposition of every CIA asset (which you assured us all would happen) when tried under US Constitutional law, nor did it happen with the 4 tried and convicted some 9 years ago under Bush, a fact you convieniently, however cowardly and under pretense, did not allude to.

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 12:12:30 PM

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wow a leftist changing terms. what a surprise.

Since I know you are old and kind of Stupid Mnot, let me refresh you as to what is under discussion.

"The other monsters - Mao, Stalin, the Khmer Rouge etc. - tended to be local phenomena who, by and large, chose their victims from the ranks of their fellow nationals. They tended not to export their madness and involve other countries or continents in their killing sprees."

Nothing about Invading there. Though you will find some of the very dumb leftists will think you made a valid argument.

Though you are also ignorant of History, no surprise there. here is one nation invaded by Stalin, Finland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

also Stalin carved up Eatern euorpe with Hitler in a deal, and Invaded several of the Countries there, Poland for example.

Now, you are clearly wrong, and will not apologize, while demanding I apologize for something you made up.

Sorry you don't get the difference between convicting someone for an actuall act they commited (after the bomb went off), barley (one count of hundreds). And trying to prevent bombs from going off. But it is certainly too difficult for your little brain to handle.

Just like I said before, show me that I actually made the assertion you claim (hint I didn't you were lying and changing terms just like you did in your previous post), and I will certainly apologize. Secret evidence and testimony was not needed in either of the 2 cases you cite, and in one we barley got as conviction for a single minor charge

Though I think the fact that Obama is not starting anymore of these trials is pretty good evidence that I am correct.

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 12:25:58 PM

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Your post was simply incorrect. Most of Stalins victims were not Georgian, and he invaded many other countries. Also he exported his killing to China putting Mao in Power, who also invaded many other countries, and killed millions of people not of his nation.

But your histronics demonstrate to everyone, that you know I am correct.

It is yopu who has

Let me refresh the situation for the drooling imbiciles, as an elder statesman.

You fuckin said that shit turdswallow.

Everybody has seen it, everybody agrees with me that you are a liar and a coward pretending to do something other than what you really do which is lick toilets, and come out here to get the shit kicked out of you because you cant find a girl to do it, as repugnant a fuck as you are.

Note the last line of your quoted post, thats where you were chomping one.

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 12:56:29 PM

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In Soviet Russia, Eastern Europe invades you.

AHHHHHHHHH!

PLEASE! I see enough of that lame schtict on youtube (right behind lame jokes about people who hit the dislike button)! Please, for the love of God, for all that is good and decent in the world, don't do that again!

I wonder what ever became of that guy. I guess the fall of the Soviet Union really wrecked his carrer.

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RE: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Fox with their own hypocrisy... - 1/27/2011 1:05:24 PM

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In Soviet Russia, Eastern Europe invades you.

AHHHHHHHHH! PLEASE! I see enough of that lame schtict on youtube (right behind lame jokes about people who hit the dislike button)! Please, for the love of God, for all that is good and decent in the world, don't do that again!

I wonder what ever became of that guy. I guess the fall of the Soviet Union really wrecked his carrer.

Actually I believe he left comedy to become a college professor.

And Luckydawg to answer your question I agree that he could have used better words. The Nazi reference is sooo tired and worn out.

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