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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 11:37:59 AM   
MalcolmNathaniel


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"Gaffe" strikes me as an overly generous description of what was clearly a calculated slight. He's made a few comments whining about his grandfather being questioned during the Mau Mau suppressions in Kenya, hasn't he?


I was being generous and giving him the benefit of the doubt. 

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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 11:39:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sorry, I don't understand the reference.  Winnie-The-Pooh is, presumably, English as A.E. Milne was born in London.

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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 11:57:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel


Actually, I didn't even notice what site it was on.  I simply remembered that rather tasteless gift and pulled the first Google hit.  I first heard about it, at the time it occurred, on another site where about 5% of the participants are British and were a bit miffed.  The Canadians (20%) and non-British Europeans (5%) on the site mostly laughed.  Me?  I was just embarrassed.


That's nice, you never check who you quote? Good research...

Funny, nobody here seemed miffled, most people didn't even notice or care....


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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

So if you don't like the link I picked at random, how about some UK links: Daily Mail, The Guardian. There are many on the BBC website, but all under blogs, so I have ignored them.


Wow, 2 newspapers are "The whole British press up in arms..." And in case you didn't read the Guardian link, they poked a bit of fun at the present, up in arms is something completely different... You might also have noticed that this was a while ago and we have a different PM, funny how things change if you don't pay attention...

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There was also a wonderful gift for the Queen (Telegraph)

I have no idea whether these are reputable news outlets or not.  I am merely pointing out that it was, indeed, reported in the UK.


Uhm, yeah, so you think the general population actually does give a damn if Obama gives the queen an iPod or another present? Welcome to the real world, but most people couldn't care less, I am pretty sure some newspapers had to fill pages and possibly reported, must have been a slow day.


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As for my "little right wing site.....blah, blah, blah" - that site had nothing to do with the marriage, it had to do with Obama's gift.  However, if you believe that the wedding of a prince is not a political affair you are sadly mistaken.



No it means that again you haven't done your research or you're not quite capable of understanding... The Queen is only formally the head of state, she doesn't rule, now after the Queen there is Prince Charles, his wedding was not a political affair, now Prince William comes AFTER Prince Charles in his claim to the throne, and he decided that apart from family (which means the rest of the aristocratic families of Europe) friends and people involved in his charities should be invited instead of heads of state, VIPs and celebs...

The fact that the Royals are not political figures is pretty easy to understand, you know she doesn't really rule the country, she's not elected, just look it up, seriously not that difficult... And nope, the iPod won't really cause a friction in diplomatic relations between the UK and US, ffs, not even the lewd wink GW gave the Queen during a state visit did. If politics are to be discussed, politicians do that, the Queen does NOT, in fact the Queen or the Royals don't even talk about politics...

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Your response to me shows both ad-hominem and argument from repitition.  You can find definitions of those here.  The ad-hominem is especially humorous as you have no idea of my politics whatsoever, seeing as I have never posted anything remotely political here in the past and the one thing I did post was merely a snarky comment.  So, out of curiosity, precisely what history lessons are you alluding to?



Aren't those pretty big words for somebody who doesn't even check which website he quotes, who has no idea what's going on in Britain but found 2 websites (one of them being quite amused about the DVDs)....

As for the history lessons, there was a link in my post, if it is not too difficult, clicking on that might help you to understand.


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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 12:06:14 PM   
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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 12:21:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

I'm sorry, I don't understand the reference.  Winnie-The-Pooh is, presumably, English as A.E. Milne was born in London.


But the actual stuffed animal bear that belonged to Milne's son is in New York.  And we Americans are NOT giving him back! 

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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 12:27:06 PM   
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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 12:37:59 PM   
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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 1:24:35 PM   
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Has anyone heard about the Obama's not being invited to the Royal wedding in April? I got an email but have not been able to confirm it.


Why would they be?
Clinton hung around with Tony Blair not with the Royal family.
It's a "Royal" affair not a political affair.

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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 1:58:46 PM   
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Can I just advise non-Brits that the UK's Daily Mail really isn't worth citing?  Its ludicrously right-wing point of view and its now-legendary capacity to distort and lie put it at the bottom of the pile when it comes to reliability.   

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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 2:07:15 PM   
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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 2:11:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe Her Cabbageness is still a bit browned off at Obama over the pirated videos in the NTSC format, that he give her.  After all, she so wanted to see the Queen (with Helen Mirrin) since it was banned in that country after the fall of London and Parliament in the great student wars of last fortnight.

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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 2:13:29 PM   
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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 2:28:42 PM   
Moonhead


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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 2:32:06 PM   
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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 2:40:30 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Well, if you have people who live here, and believe Fox News, some bullshit from Russian sources, right wing bloggers, Newt Gingrich (who was instrumental in getting us here in this mess, and didnt do any big fucking clarvoyant shit when he was in the position of power, and is now a political guru much like Nixon, who was a cunt, but a brilliant statesman after leaving office, a real darling of the right......because they haven't any memory), Prison Planet and other such offal.........how can you not expect them to belive the bloody rags in areas they just now found out existed beyond America?

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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 2:40:42 PM   
Moonhead


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Welcome aboard, btw.

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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 2:42:35 PM   
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Well, if you have people who live here, and believe Fox News, some bullshit from Russian sources, right wing bloggers, Newt Gingrich (who was instrumental in getting us here in this mess, and didnt do any big fucking clarvoyant shit when he was in the position of power, and is now a political guru much like Nixon, who was a cunt, but a brilliant statesman after leaving office, a real darling of the right......because they haven't any memory), Prison Planet and other such offal.........how can you not expect them to belive the bloody rags in areas they just now found out existed beyond America?

True enough. I suppose we're lucky they're not always posting links to the Sport...

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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 2:47:53 PM   
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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 2:49:52 PM   
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RE: Obama's snubbed - 1/26/2011 4:14:39 PM   
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I wonder how many Americans actually know where England is on a map?



I think that it is over by the Falkland Islands. 

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