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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/28/2011 1:19:11 PM   
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Because it wrecked my thyroid.  

Do you know how many other things, present in more dangerous concentrations that might effect your thyroid function, you are exposed to?




Fluoride is highly damaging to the thyroid gland and there are many medical papers available on the net for people to peruse, so it could very well of been too much fluoride that was responsible for his damaged thyroid.
Way back in the 30s they discovered that fluoride depresses the thyroid gland and too much fluoride will stop the thyroid working at all.
You may well mock but those of you that don't take the dangers of fluoride seriously should start doing your own research. If you can be bothered that is.
I don't think its a case of becoming paranoid, its a case of reading available and well documented information. We now have world wide access to research papers that were not once available to us without a huge amount of hassle. Instead of wandering round in ignorant bliss we can make an informed choice of what we eat, drink and put on our skin.
People who make informed choice not to put too much fluoride, pesticides and artificial hormones into their bodies have done their research and come to their own conclusion. Personally I have a lot of respect for people like this. Some may call them paranoid freaks and others may listen, hear what they have to say and go off and research it themselves.



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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/28/2011 2:37:15 PM   
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Allthatjazz,

That is why we iodize the salt. 

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/28/2011 2:48:17 PM   
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Because it wrecked my thyroid.  

Do you know how many other things, present in more dangerous concentrations that might effect your thyroid function, you are exposed to?




Fluoride is highly damaging to the thyroid gland and there are many medical papers available on the net for people to peruse, so it could very well of been too much fluoride that was responsible for his damaged thyroid.
Way back in the 30s they discovered that fluoride depresses the thyroid gland and too much fluoride will stop the thyroid working at all.
You may well mock but those of you that don't take the dangers of fluoride seriously should start doing your own research. If you can be bothered that is.
I don't think its a case of becoming paranoid, its a case of reading available and well documented information. We now have world wide access to research papers that were not once available to us without a huge amount of hassle. Instead of wandering round in ignorant bliss we can make an informed choice of what we eat, drink and put on our skin.
People who make informed choice not to put too much fluoride, pesticides and artificial hormones into their bodies have done their research and come to their own conclusion. Personally I have a lot of respect for people like this. Some may call them paranoid freaks and others may listen, hear what they have to say and go off and research it themselves.

I've done the research. The amount of municipally flouridated water you would need to drink to depress thyroid function is astronomical, as in you'd drown first.

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/28/2011 3:02:46 PM   
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yes and it was presumed that the salt we use in our daily diet (meaning from the salt shaker on our table) that we would ingest 1mg of fluoride (the optimal dose) a day.
Just in case we don't use salt in our diets the water companies also added enough fluoride that 4 glasses of water a day would give us 1mg of fluoride (the optimal dose) a day.
However, what the salt and water companies never took into consideration was that water isn't merely used for drinking. We use it to cook with, we feed our meat cattle with it, we use it to water our crops and we use it in the pesticides to save our crops. Everything in the western world that has water in it also has fluoride in it, from the ketchup we have on our fries to the toothpaste we clean our teeth with.
This means we are getting far more than the optimal daily dose and there is no way of escaping it unless one was to grow ones own meat and vegetables and feed them on rain water.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/fluoride-thyroid.htm
FLUORIDE, TEETH, AND THE ATOMIC BOMB
By Joel Griffiths and Chris Bryson
FLUORIDE AND THE BRAIN
http://www.slweb.org/bibliography.html#brain
SPEEDING UP THE AGING PROCESS - FLUORIDE: THE AGING FACTOR
http://www.cyberclass.net/flourideaging.htm

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/28/2011 3:13:05 PM   
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Really Domken, then I hope you don't mind me asking you for those research papers?
you send me yours and I will more than happily send you mine but please, please don't send me any research done by the fluoride companies.

Oh and do you really believe we only get our fluoride from water?

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/28/2011 3:15:18 PM   
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I think that there is that Mayo Clinic paper on Page 2 from Tazzy that states in the US the fluoride-thyroid problem is rare.

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/28/2011 5:40:24 PM   
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Yes, but they will ban bananas in a whole school because of one student's allergy.

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/28/2011 8:15:33 PM   
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Fluoride Damages the Thyroid, study reveals | Fluoride is ...

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/28/2011 8:16:45 PM   
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Common thyroid symptoms include fatigue, weight gain, constipation, fuzzy thinking, low blood pressure, fluid retention, depression, body pain, slow reflexes, and more. It’s estimated that 59 million Americans have thyroid conditions.(D)

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/28/2011 9:00:42 PM   
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No one is debating the symptoms. No one is saying you dont have an underactice thyroid. What I AM saying is that if it could be definitively linked to fluoride, the class action lawsuit would be astronomical.

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/28/2011 9:20:22 PM   
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No one is debating the symptoms. No one is saying you dont have an underactice thyroid. What I AM saying is that if it could be definitively linked to fluoride, the class action lawsuit would be astronomical.


Bingo.

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/28/2011 9:36:52 PM   
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This time I'm 180 % with you Hunky. How much other shit don't we know ? How many drugs that cost so much because of our "rigorous" testing requirements have brought class action lawsuits months later ? How many people now think they can cure ingrown toenails with a special pill or elixir ? How many people think drugs such as sugar are safe ? How many people actually choose margarine over real butter ? How many people believe that Iraq.......

I stop now. Switching to the Euro by a major oil producing country wouldn't have hurt our economy at all would it, it was for the freedom of the children. Big pharma bailouts would be just fine eh ? Hell we can afford it. I had connections to Dr. Faymore. Ever hear of him ? The epitome of society. You walk in there, the fact that you could walk was the whole exam. Then you just tell him what drugs you need. And his olady was a pharmacist, in the same building. They literally had their own highway exit. Fault them ? Why ? They were just getting rid of the stupid people.

The answers to all the world's [problems can be found in a chem lab or a chemical plant. People's teeth don't rot just because of a lack of flouride(s), there are a few other things involved. Like not brushing and flossing twenty times a day. Disease is caused by not being sterile. And the fact that our ancestors are dead p r o v e s it. And the encyclopedia I have denoting scientists and discoverers of the world back in the seventeenth century are lying when they say these people lived to be over fifty. It's written in a book so it must be true. But then there is this other book.......fuck that headache.

And don't forget to summarily dismiss Document 264. It's rubbish. The essential minerals to life simply appear out of nowhere. That is true, and you are stupid for buying silver, because it just materializes out of nowhere, like all the other minerals.

Yes we are an enlightened lot eh ?

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/28/2011 9:40:26 PM   
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And peoples' thyroids dont just quit because of too much fluoride, as pahunks link explains.

Robert Carton, PhD, an environmental scientist who worked for over 30 years for the U.S. government including managing risk assessments on high priority toxic chemicals, says “fluoride has detrimental effects on the thyroid gland of healthy males at 3.5 mg a day. With iodine deficiency, the effect level drops to 0.7 milligrams/day for an average male.”(E) (1.0 mg/L fluoride is in most water supplies)

And......

“Many Americans are exposed to fluoride in the ranges associated with thyroid effects, especially for people with iodine deficiency,” says Kathleen Thiessen, PhD, co-author of the government-sponsored NRC report. “The recent decline in iodine intake in the U.S could contribute to increased toxicity of fluoride for some individuals,” says Thiessen.

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/29/2011 5:07:49 AM   
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Document 264 is an interesting one and I know this is off topic but I think its relevant to the mentioned document.

As a mother of a healthy baby I made a conscious decision to feed my son a good nutritious and as natural as possible diet. Fresh fruit and vegetables, decent meat and plenty of dairy products. He really couldn't of had a better diet, or so I thought. By the age of 6 he wasn't growing and was a good 8 inches shorter than his piers. By the age of 10 I was concerned enough to have a bone density test done on him. It turned out he had rickets and I was told by the specialist that she was seeing more and more of this and blamed it on the modern way of eating. I don't think she believed me when I told her that my son didn't eat the modern way.

When my next son came along he was a prem baby and grew to be the worlds fussiest eater. We tried giving him what I believed to be a good diet but in pure frustration we ended up allowing this child to eat what he wanted just to get food in his stomach. He ate what I considered junk and by the age of 10 he stood a head taller in height than all of his piers. By 15 he was 6ft tall and now at 18 he is 6ft 3inches. When he refused to eat 'good food' was he actually telling us that his little body wasn't getting enough nutrients?

I have a friend that fine tunes her childrens diets. Absolutely no junk. Her home is all about healthy eating. Both her children are very small for their age and the eldest one has some bone deformities.
Now I wouldn't suggest that we feed our children too much junk but just how good is a natural healthy diet really?



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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/29/2011 5:28:09 AM   
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I have a friend that fine tunes her childrens diets. Absolutely no junk. Her home is all about healthy eating. Both her children are very small for their age and the eldest one has some bone deformities.
Now I wouldn't suggest that we feed our children too much junk but just how good is a natural healthy diet really?


What usually happens in those situations is that the adults assume that a growing child’s dietary requirements are identical to an adult’s; they aren’t. So while a healthy, home-cooked, low-junk diet is good, too little fat, sugar and suchlike oddly isn't.

As just a couple of examples:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2007/aug/16/health.lifeandhealth

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6948204.stm

There’s also the factor that far too many kids these days are effectively sedentary – video games, fears over “stranger danger”, sports injuries and suchlike, mean that many (though of course not all) kids today are far less active than previous generations.

Cutting down the amount of junk-food they eat is a good thing, but it needs to be part of a balanced diet, and a diet that’s balanced to a kid’s requirements, not an adult's.

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/29/2011 6:54:36 AM   
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And don't forget to summarily dismiss Document 264. It's rubbish. The essential minerals to life simply appear out of nowhere. That is true, and you are stupid for buying silver, because it just materializes out of nowhere, like all the other minerals.

This bullshit again? Didn't the last time I slapped you around on this not stick.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1832956/mpage_1/key_document/tm.htm#1835957

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/29/2011 7:00:01 AM   
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And peoples' thyroids dont just quit because of too much fluoride, as pahunks link explains.

Robert Carton, PhD, an environmental scientist who worked for over 30 years for the U.S. government including managing risk assessments on high priority toxic chemicals, says “fluoride has detrimental effects on the thyroid gland of healthy males at 3.5 mg a day. With iodine deficiency, the effect level drops to 0.7 milligrams/day for an average male.”(E) (1.0 mg/L fluoride is in most water supplies)

So to even have minor effects on the thyroid you need to consume 3.5 liters of water a day. And that is the claim by a guy who quit working for the government to get rich telling conspiracy nuts what they want to hear.

in reality people have long lived in areas where natural flouride levels in the drinking water far exceed 1ml/l with only minor health effects. For instance there is a county in Northern Mexico where the well water runs over 5ml/l and people aren't keeling over dead there.

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/29/2011 7:28:40 AM   
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Dont worry Ken-  Chicago puts this rat poisoning in its water.  So your soma wont be taken away anytime soon. 

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/29/2011 7:31:55 AM   
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And peoples' thyroids dont just quit because of too much fluoride, as pahunks link explains.

Robert Carton, PhD, an environmental scientist who worked for over 30 years for the U.S. government including managing risk assessments on high priority toxic chemicals, says “fluoride has detrimental effects on the thyroid gland of healthy males at 3.5 mg a day. With iodine deficiency, the effect level drops to 0.7 milligrams/day for an average male.”(E) (1.0 mg/L fluoride is in most water supplies)

And......

“Many Americans are exposed to fluoride in the ranges associated with thyroid effects, especially for people with iodine deficiency,” says Kathleen Thiessen, PhD, co-author of the government-sponsored NRC report. “The recent decline in iodine intake in the U.S could contribute to increased toxicity of fluoride for some individuals,” says Thiessen.


Add the food and the water and there is your 3.5.

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RE: Fluoride In Your Food - Why There'll Never Be An Up... - 1/29/2011 11:02:23 AM   
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And peoples' thyroids dont just quit because of too much fluoride, as pahunks link explains.

Robert Carton, PhD, an environmental scientist who worked for over 30 years for the U.S. government including managing risk assessments on high priority toxic chemicals, says “fluoride has detrimental effects on the thyroid gland of healthy males at 3.5 mg a day. With iodine deficiency, the effect level drops to 0.7 milligrams/day for an average male.”(E) (1.0 mg/L fluoride is in most water supplies)

So to even have minor effects on the thyroid you need to consume 3.5 liters of water a day. And that is the claim by a guy who quit working for the government to get rich telling conspiracy nuts what they want to hear.

in reality people have long lived in areas where natural flouride levels in the drinking water far exceed 1ml/l with only minor health effects. For instance there is a county in Northern Mexico where the well water runs over 5ml/l and people aren't keeling over dead there.



This isnt my source, this is pahunks, contradicting what he is saying. I happen to agree with you. If it was so damn toxic, more people would be dead.

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