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slvemike4u -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/29/2011 11:15:26 PM)
Why ? I have always found you to be a reasonable and intelligent poster....and than you go and ask him to share his "thinking" with us ?

MrRodgers -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/29/2011 11:17:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne They are re-venuing the tax scheme again. Anything to keep ahead of people. It is a transfer tax annexed to the "value" of your property that results in the commingling and converting "real" property through a syntax assault to the fictional value fiat to probate your estate. It doesnt not affect me because I do not use federal reserve notes, I just thought you all might be interested. I'm sure jeffffffffffffffffff and flc will be happy to detail that out for you. So let me see here.... I said the above..... quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 If ignorance is bliss, what is just plain old stupidity? [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stuff/smiley3976.gif[/image] Obviously you. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stuff/lil.gif[/image] What I do understand is that this is yet another example of the Orwellian tax code we have. The whores in Washington simply do not have the balls to refuse the money that would purchase a definition of income as either 'earned' or 'unearned.' Plus, the great American public doesn't care that in fact...income is income is income and in a 'free market' it is ALL to be treated the same. What I don't understand is how a ever increasing minority of people will believe this example given that it is deliberately misleading. This purposeful lie is that this is NOT a sales tax at all. It is also not a tax on the gross sales price. I can't believe this shit gets any traction at all. It is on the net gains which is the sales amount minus your basis and only after the first $250,000, $500,000 of net gains...for a couple. And the bloggers...know it, yet they lie right through their keyboard. This is hardly middle-class tax and all of the rhetoric from the right and the repubs are more absolutely deliberate lies. Repeat these enough and all of the lemmings will follow. I am thinking oh say 3% to 5% of all gains on RE in the sale of residences that may be...may be taxed by this provision. So do not believe a word in that link. BTW probate deals exclusively with wills and the settlement of estates of a decedent. Property (estate) is not in 'probate' until the owner dies.

tazzygirl -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/29/2011 11:23:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Why ? I have always found you to be a reasonable and intelligent poster....and than you go and ask him to share his "thinking" with us ? Isnt it wiser to know what he is thinking? Because if he is, then others are too.

rulemylife -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/30/2011 9:44:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl RO, I would like to see your thoughts on what was posted... quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama You left this out: http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/Health-Care-Real-Estate-Tax.htm quote: "High earners" are defined as individuals whose gross income is $200,000 or more, or married couples filing jointly with a combined gross income of $250,000 or more. Moreover, the tax doesn't apply to the first $250,000 of unearned income for individual taxpayers (or $500,000 for married couples filing jointly). Given that most taxpayers make less than $200,000 per year and most home sales don't clear profits exceeding $200,000, the vast majority of Americans won't be subject to this tax. So how is this pledge broken? quote: “I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes,” ~President Obama, September 12, 2008 I would like to see Servant's thoughts on that too, since he said "Real One is right on this time around".

Real0ne -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/30/2011 10:55:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama You left this out: http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/Health-Care-Real-Estate-Tax.htm quote: "High earners" are defined as individuals whose gross income is $200,000 or more, or married couples filing jointly with a combined gross income of $250,000 or more. Moreover, the tax doesn't apply to the first $250,000 of unearned income for individual taxpayers (or $500,000 for married couples filing jointly). Given that most taxpayers make less than $200,000 per year and most home sales don't clear profits exceeding $200,000, the vast majority of Americans won't be subject to this tax. So how is this pledge broken? quote: “I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes,” ~President Obama, September 12, 2008 The Costly Consequences of Health Care 'Reform' A Review of Legislation as Enacted April 7, 2010 The Democratic health care legislation enacted last week will enlarge government, increase Federal spending, deficits, and debt, and create a dependence on the Federal Government at odds with America's historic commitment to individual liberty and personal responsibility. It was muscled through Congress on a purely partisan vote, and through an unprecedented abuse of a specialized budget process intended to control the size of government, not expand it. The principal consequences of the legislation include: It initiates a government takeover of the health care sector (one-sixth of the U.S. economy), intrudes in the doctor-patient relationship, and increases total spending by $2.6 trillion. It raises taxes by more than a half-trillion dollars over the next 10 years B the largest tax increase in American history. It cuts more than a half-trillion dollars from Medicare to finance a new entitlement, and includes a series of additional gimmicks that hide the true cost of the legislation. It adds to an already unsustainable rate of government spending growth that will overwhelm the Federal budget and sacrifice the Nation's future prosperity. Read the full report here. Print version of this document http://budget.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=203348

Real0ne -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/30/2011 11:25:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers What I do understand is that this is yet another example of the Orwellian tax code we have. The whores in Washington simply do not have the balls to refuse the money that would purchase a definition of income as either 'earned' or 'unearned.' They always leave you clues ya know..... Have you ever noticed in the code that it says "taxable" income? Which of course goes without saying that there is non-taxable income but many people have combed through the IRC and cannot find the definition of non-taxable income. Now I have not checked recently it may be there now, but it was "hidden", just like several other very important documents that would prove they have no "legitimate" authority to tax anyone in the first place. Plus, the great American public doesn't care that in fact...income is income is income and in a 'free market' it is ALL to be treated the same. Yes from a definition standpoint what I just said above not withstanding "taxable" income would be all the same as far as I am aware. What I don't understand is how a ever increasing minority of people will believe this example given that it is deliberately misleading. This purposeful lie is that this is NOT a sales tax at all. It is also not a tax on the gross sales price. I can't believe this shit gets any traction at all. It is on the net gains which is the sales amount minus your basis and only after the first $250,000, $500,000 of net gains...for a couple. And the bloggers...know it, yet they lie right through their keyboard. This is hardly middle-class tax and all of the rhetoric from the right and the repubs are more absolutely deliberate lies. Repeat these enough and all of the lemmings will follow. I am thinking oh say 3% to 5% of all gains on RE in the sale of residences that may be...may be taxed by this provision. So do not believe a word in that link. well after all the bullshit boils away a sales tax is an ad valorem "use" tax. Use of what? Use of "THEIR" money of course. The federal reserve charges a use fee for every transaction where THEIR "STUFF" known as "MONEY" is used for the "CONVENIENCE OF THE USER" to aid in that transaction. Wild shit huh? LOL So what is REALLY HAPPENING? Sales taxes of any kind are "TRANSFER" taxes. You are being taxed based on value annexed to the dollar annexed to the "CONVEYANCE" of property. Income is fundamentally as in historically money acquired as a direct result of the existence of the king's corporation. Its not new and it origins date well back to the norman conquest. Would you believe that our library has a whole 12 foot long shelves over feet tall with the common pleas, kings bench, exchequer and so forth and so on and that is where I found that little nugget [;)] Sounds a bit feudal dont it? LOL Keep in mind that feudalism was originally a business contract between the king and people that got really corrupted over time as people always doze off and the mice play.... (sort of like the people and the American constitution) BTW probate deals exclusively with wills and the settlement of estates of a decedent. Property (estate) is not in 'probate' until the owner dies. well on that note while what you say is true how "things" are being constructed in courts and the outcomes would prove otherwise. Its a game of taking what happened and applying the law that best fits, like reverse engineering the legal system to see what the hell is really going on because we know for a fact beyond any doubt what so ever (at least those of us who have fought cases in court) that what we are told is in reality is not reality at all. In fact a Wisconsin judge I dont remember if this was at the appellate level or the supreme high priest that ruled that there is no basis for allodial title in the state, that ownership is ownership is ownership all day long (which is really obvious bullshit to say the least), even though it is stated in the wisconsin constitution and even though it is stated in the states statutes at large. NOW that said: I guess IGNORANCE OF THE LAW ONLY APPLIES TO THE PEOPLE NOT THE JUDGES AND LAW MAKERS.

flcouple2009 -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/30/2011 11:32:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife I would like to see Servant's thoughts on that too, since he said "Real One is right on this time around". If either of them had an actual coherent thought it would die of loneliness.

Real0ne -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/30/2011 11:59:37 AM)
you are funny, considering you havent put up any thoughts much less coherent thoughts. unless you call your snarks and snide remarks that 5 year olds puke up when outgunned "coherent thoughts" ..... lmao

Moonhead -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/30/2011 12:43:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne you are funny, considering you havent put up any thoughts much less coherent thoughts. unless you call your snarks and snide remarks that 5 year olds puke up when outgunned "coherent thoughts" ..... lmao "Physician, heal thyself."

tazzygirl -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/30/2011 1:02:10 PM)
Nice bit of work, RO. Now, find me something that isnt propoganda written by Republicans only.

Real0ne -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/30/2011 4:41:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Nice bit of work, RO. Now, find me something that isnt propoganda written by Republicans only. taz it was in the OP, I just posted what is in the link had anyone bothered to clickety click and open it up ya know? I really was not about making this a partisan affair unless you want me to get into the american 2 party dick-tater-ship. The moral of that story being that about the time of the bombing of iraq I listened to the shortwave radio and I listed to all the news for the others guys..... that is the bad guys......the evil ones who were attacking our "imagined" freedom ya know? Sad part of that story is the news the bad guys put up 7 years later turns out to be correct and the news that your dependable NEWS YOU CAN TRUST turned out to be nothing mor e than propaganda and bullshit. So would you elaborate on exactly what you are asking?

tazzygirl -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/30/2011 4:47:03 PM)
Lets take it point by point. It initiates a government takeover of the health care sector (one-sixth of the U.S. economy), intrudes in the doctor-patient relationship, and increases total spending by $2.6 trillion. You state this.. from the web site. Ask yourself a few questions. How does being told you have to have insurance, insurance purchased from, at this point, insurance companies, indicate a take over by the Government? How does that equate into intruding on the Dr-patient relationship? $2.6 trillion dollars... when most experts indicate a savings over 10 years,. which is required by law?

KenDckey -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/30/2011 5:11:01 PM)
The Act does add Taxes on durable medical equipment at the wholesale level §4191 the amount of 2.3% of the sale price. Since the wholesale price is taxed, the manufacturer will pass that on to consumers who won’t be allowed to take that sales tax off their taxes should they pay more in sales taxes than income taxes. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h4872enr.txt.pdf

tazzygirl -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/30/2011 5:16:17 PM)
You may want to look a bit further into that... its not able to be passed onto the consumer in the manner you are expecting. ‘‘SEC. 4191. MEDICAL DEVICES. ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—There is hereby imposed on the sale of any taxable medical device by the manufacturer, producer, or importer a tax equal to 2.3 percent of the price for which so sold. ‘‘(b) TAXABLE MEDICAL DEVICE.—For purposes of this section— ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘taxable medical device’ means any device (as defined in section 201(h) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act) intended for humans. ‘‘(2) EXEMPTIONS.—Such term shall not include— ‘‘(A) eyeglasses, ‘‘(B) contact lenses, ‘‘(C) hearing aids, and ‘‘(D) any other medical device determined by the Secretary to be of a type which is generally purchased by the general public at retail for individual use.’’, and (2) by inserting after the item relating to subchapter D in the table of subchapters for such chapter the following new item:..........

KenDckey -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/30/2011 5:21:27 PM)
Yeah and not all DME is not taxed. that isn't the point. The company surely won't eat the taxes. They never do. They always pass it on to the consumer, usually by increasing the cost. As well, I had to pay state sales taxes on my DME (8.785%) at retail level. Sounds to me like a tax on a tax.

tazzygirl -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/30/2011 5:24:51 PM)
On what DME? Im not sure what you are getting at if DME's cannot be taxed any higher. Btw, this has nothing to do with state sales taxes. Thats a state issue, not federal.

KenDckey -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/30/2011 5:42:09 PM)
ok my family personal DME include nebulizers for wife and myself, SCS for wife, CPAP for myself, and eyeglasses (which are not taxed at wholesale level). Now, when I get these, I pay 20% of the costs. My CPAP was $2,000. So my share was $400. Since it was sold for $2000, the manufacturer has to pay tax of 2.3% or $46. Since the manufacturer's costs increase by 2.3% tax, he won't just pay the tax and not increase the cost of the unit by something. Probably $60 for sake of argument only since I know I don't have a clue how much that would be but it would include the cost of the tax and the cost of the accounting to figure out the taxable amount and just a smidge thrown in the pot for more profit. So I paid a federal tax of 2.3% on the unit. Then the state comes along. They want their sales tax. There isn't an exemption for DME or a reduction for DME so I pay 8.785% sales tax on the sale price which already included a tax. So I am actually being taxed by the state on a tax by the fed.

tazzygirl -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/30/2011 5:48:19 PM)
You pay 20% of the costs allowed by your insurance. You do notice there are adjustments to your insurance. 20% of 46 dollars is a smudge over 9. quote: Then the state comes along. They want their sales tax. Not all states have state sales tax. Perhaps something you need to check into instead of blaming the system thats already broken. But, more than that, those items you are stating will be taxed wont be, according to the law. Try reading it again.

Real0ne -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/31/2011 1:21:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Lets take it point by point. It initiates a government takeover of the health care sector (one-sixth of the U.S. economy), intrudes in the doctor-patient relationship, and increases total spending by $2.6 trillion. You state this.. from the web site. Ask yourself a few questions. *How does being told you have to have* insurance, insurance purchased from, at this point, insurance companies, indicate a take over by the Government?** How does that equate into intruding on the Dr-patient relationship? $2.6 trillion dollars... when most experts indicate a savings over 10 years,. which is required by law? Come on listen to yourself! Its not that often you double-think! Do you understand constructive trusts and the underlying principles of "interest"? This little stream runs deep when you deal with the beast.

tazzygirl -> RE: ObamaCare Taxes Home Sales - Clobbers Middle-Class Americans (1/31/2011 7:48:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Lets take it point by point. It initiates a government takeover of the health care sector (one-sixth of the U.S. economy), intrudes in the doctor-patient relationship, and increases total spending by $2.6 trillion. You state this.. from the web site. Ask yourself a few questions. *How does being told you have to have* insurance, insurance purchased from, at this point, insurance companies, indicate a take over by the Government?** How does that equate into intruding on the Dr-patient relationship? $2.6 trillion dollars... when most experts indicate a savings over 10 years,. which is required by law? Come on listen to yourself! Its not that often you double-think! Do you understand constructive trusts and the underlying principles of "interest"? This little stream runs deep when you deal with the beast. No, what runs deep is the arguments against something that is inevitable.

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