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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
They are re-venuing the tax scheme again.  Anything to keep ahead of people.

It is a transfer tax annexed to the "value" of your property that results in the commingling and converting "real" property through a syntax assault to the fictional value fiat to probate your estate. 

It doesnt not affect me because I do not use federal reserve notes, I just thought you all might be interested.

I'm sure jeffffffffffffffffff and flc will be happy to detail that out for you.

So let me see here.... I said the above.....

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

If ignorance is bliss,  what is just plain old stupidity?

Obviously you.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Why ?
I have always found you to be a reasonable and intelligent poster....and than you go and ask him to share his "thinking" with us ?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

RO, I would like to see your thoughts on what was posted...

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

You left this out:

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/Health-Care-Real-Estate-Tax.htm

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"High earners" are defined as individuals whose gross income is $200,000 or more, or married couples filing jointly with a combined gross income of $250,000 or more.

Moreover, the tax doesn't apply to the first $250,000 of unearned income for individual taxpayers (or $500,000 for married couples filing jointly).

Given that most taxpayers make less than $200,000 per year and most home sales don't clear profits exceeding $200,000, the vast majority of Americans won't be subject to this tax.

So how is this pledge broken?

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“I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes,” ~President Obama, September 12, 2008

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

You left this out:

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/Health-Care-Real-Estate-Tax.htm

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"High earners" are defined as individuals whose gross income is $200,000 or more, or married couples filing jointly with a combined gross income of $250,000 or more.

Moreover, the tax doesn't apply to the first $250,000 of unearned income for individual taxpayers (or $500,000 for married couples filing jointly).

Given that most taxpayers make less than $200,000 per year and most home sales don't clear profits exceeding $200,000, the vast majority of Americans won't be subject to this tax.

So how is this pledge broken?

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“I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes,” ~President Obama, September 12, 2008

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

What I do understand is that this is yet another example of the Orwellian tax code we have. The whores in Washington simply do not have the balls to refuse the money that would purchase a definition of income as either 'earned' or 'unearned.'

They always leave you clues ya know.....
Have you ever noticed in the code that it says "taxable" income?  Which of course goes without saying that there is non-taxable income but many people have combed through the IRC and cannot find the definition of non-taxable income.  Now I have not checked recently it may be there now, but it was "hidden", just like several other very important documents that would prove they have no "legitimate" authority to tax anyone in the first place.


Plus, the great American public doesn't care that in fact...income is income is income and in a 'free market' it is ALL to be treated the same.

Yes from a definition standpoint what I just said above not withstanding "taxable" income would be all the same as far as I am aware.

What I don't understand is how a ever increasing minority of people will believe this example given that it is deliberately misleading. This purposeful lie is that this is NOT a sales tax at all. It is also not a tax on the gross sales price. I can't believe this shit gets any traction at all.

It is on the net gains which is the sales amount minus your basis and only after the first $250,000, $500,000 of net gains...for a couple. And the bloggers...know it, yet they lie right through their keyboard.

This is hardly middle-class tax and all of the rhetoric from the right and the repubs are more absolutely deliberate lies. Repeat these enough and all of the lemmings will follow. I am thinking oh say 3% to 5% of all gains on RE in the sale of residences that may be...may be taxed by this provision. So do not believe a word in that link.

well after all the bullshit boils away a sales tax is an ad valorem "use" tax. 

Use of what?

Use of "THEIR" money of course.  The federal reserve charges a use fee for every transaction where THEIR "STUFF" known as "MONEY" is used for the "CONVENIENCE OF THE USER" to aid in that transaction.

Wild shit huh?  LOL

So what is REALLY HAPPENING?

Sales taxes of any kind are "TRANSFER" taxes.  You are being taxed based on value annexed to the dollar annexed to the "CONVEYANCE" of property.

Income is fundamentally as in historically money acquired as a direct result of the existence of the king's corporation.  Its not new and it origins date well back to the norman conquest.   Would you believe that our library has a whole 12 foot long shelves over feet tall with the common pleas, kings bench, exchequer and so forth and so on and that is where I found that little nugget 

Sounds a bit feudal dont it?  LOL
Keep in mind that feudalism was originally a business contract between the king and people that got really corrupted over time as people always doze off and the mice play....  (sort of like the people and the American constitution)


BTW probate deals exclusively with wills and the settlement of estates of a decedent. Property (estate) is not in 'probate' until the owner dies.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

I would like to see Servant's thoughts on that too, since he said "Real One is right on this time around".

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

you are funny,
considering you havent put up any thoughts much less coherent thoughts.

unless you call your snarks and snide remarks that 5 year olds puke up when outgunned  "coherent thoughts" .....  lmao

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Nice bit of work, RO.

Now, find me something that isnt propoganda written by Republicans only.

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Then the state comes along. They want their sales tax.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Lets take it point by point.

It initiates a government takeover of the health care sector (one-sixth of the U.S. economy), intrudes in the doctor-patient relationship, and increases total spending by $2.6 trillion.

You state this.. from the web site. Ask yourself a few questions. How does being told you have to have insurance, insurance purchased from, at this point, insurance companies, indicate a take over by the Government?

How does that equate into intruding on the Dr-patient relationship?

$2.6 trillion dollars... when most experts indicate a savings over 10 years,. which is required by law?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Lets take it point by point.

It initiates a government takeover of the health care sector (one-sixth of the U.S. economy), intrudes in the doctor-patient relationship, and increases total spending by $2.6 trillion.

You state this.. from the web site. Ask yourself a few questions. How does being told you have to have insurance, insurance purchased from, at this point, insurance companies, indicate a take over by the Government?

How does that equate into intruding on the Dr-patient relationship?

$2.6 trillion dollars... when most experts indicate a savings over 10 years,. which is required by law?

Come on listen to yourself!

Its not that often you double-think!

Do you understand constructive trusts and the underlying principles of "interest"?

This little stream runs deep when you deal with the beast.