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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 5:07:12 AM   
Moonhead


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Moon honestly has never heard of Islamic Socialism?

BAATH Party?

Nasser?

Libya, Syria, Iran, Sudan, all have 2 of the list, right off the top of my head. More if you care to look.

The key word here is of course...Islamic. Nowhere, do we see a real democratic socialism.


I know that, you know that, but dawg probably thinks that Hitler was too a commie because the Nazi party used the word socialist in its title.
I wonder if he's equally willing to accept (say) Iran as a democracy, because the country's unelected ruler says that it's one?

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RE: 0bama and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 10:48:27 AM   
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But I was speaking to the elemental political truth that $5 gasoline will kill any fear/hope of a second term.


< Message edited by truckinslave -- 1/31/2011 10:57:30 AM >

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 10:54:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sure... it's clearly a complicated situation, and final decisions at the level of POTUS are, I'm sure, influenced if not dictated by reams of classified intelligence about which none of us have a clue.

Still... civilian trials, Gitmo releases, Hasan, rights to the Christmas day bomber, Iran, Egypt, first television interview, NASA outreach (one of my alltime WTFs), scores of other things great and small.... there's not a pattern there?

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: 0bama and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 10:56:33 AM   
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Any increase in supply lessens price.


That's an incredibly naive and ridiculous thing to say. You seriously do not understand anything at all about economics, do you? Have you ever heard of something called "production costs?"


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RE: 0bama and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 10:56:33 AM   
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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 10:57:09 AM   
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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 11:06:13 AM   
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He's moving ahead with military tribunals, so Constitutional concerns over those evidently weren't/aren't behind the push for civilian trials.... 

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: 0bama and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 11:11:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		As long as the producers are willing to sell at market-determined prices, any increase in supply reduces price.
Specifically discussing oil, if PEMEX (or anyone else) produces a million barrels per day at a cost of a billion dollars per barrel and puts them into the market currently paying around $100 a barrel... PEMEX loses money, and the increase in supply reduces price.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 11:19:31 AM   
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A reasonable post. Thanks.

He's moving ahead with military tribunals, so Constitutional concerns over those evidently weren't/aren't behind the push for civilian trials.... 


No, it was not what was driving them, but the obnoxious vox populi was against civilian trials, so----

And it never, ever (insofar as I know) a concern that military tribunals were not Constituional (cuz the form and manner of trials are left up to the Senate (isn't it) in the US constituion)?

I think it was a matter of world opinion that America has one of the fairest civilian trial systems in the world and military trials are known to be somewhat rigged, and it was more a matter of showing the world that our constitution withtands this, and these are not simply 'vengance' show trials.

But again.......... 

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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 11:20:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Moon honestly has never heard of Islamic Socialism?

BAATH Party?

Nasser?

Libya, Syria, Iran, Sudan, all have 2 of the list, right off the top of my head. More if you care to look.

The key word here is of course...Islamic. Nowhere, do we see a real democratic socialism.


I know that, you know that, but dawg probably thinks that Hitler was too a commie because the Nazi party used the word socialist in its title.
I wonder if he's equally willing to accept (say) Iran as a democracy, because the country's unelected ruler says that it's one?


What does "real democratic Socialism" have to do with anything?


Moon was bragging about his ignorance of what kind of regiems exist in the Mid East.

Of course real democratic Socialism doesn't (and never has nor will) exist.

And of course there are marxist and facist Islamic States meeting the requirement of 2 of the symbols from the silly poster.

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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 11:22:40 AM   
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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 11:24:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: luckydawg


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Moon honestly has never heard of Islamic Socialism?

BAATH Party?

Nasser?

Libya, Syria, Iran, Sudan, all have 2 of the list, right off the top of my head. More if you care to look.

The key word here is of course...Islamic. Nowhere, do we see a real democratic socialism.


I know that, you know that, but dawg probably thinks that Hitler was too a commie because the Nazi party used the word socialist in its title.
I wonder if he's equally willing to accept (say) Iran as a democracy, because the country's unelected ruler says that it's one?


What does "real democratic Socialism" have to do with anything?


Moon was bragging about his ignorance of what kind of regiems exist in the Mid East.

Of course real democratic Socialism doesn't (and never has nor will) exist.

And of course there are marxist and facist Islamic States meeting the requirement of 2 of the symbols from the silly poster.

So you can cite an example of a Marxist state run by Islamists then, can you?
If not, you owe me an apology and a retraction.

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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 11:28:54 AM   
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a dictatorship run by the BAATH Socialist Party.

Or Libya

Its really easy to look this stuff up Moon, and you don't look so stupid.

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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 11:40:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		A dictatorship by its very nature cannot be Marxist (one of the tenets of Marxism is no government)

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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 11:41:22 AM   
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Sorry, but you'll have to do better than that.

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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 11:46:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, while you're looking stuff up, have a butcher's at this:
A Syrian communist explains why the Baathists are a bunch of insufficiently leftist cunts...



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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 11:53:10 AM   
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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 11:53:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are free to believe whatever you like Moon....

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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 12:00:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you're entirely right about his sensitivity to his perception of world opinion. I wold love to hear him espouse on the RR statement that it's good to be liked but better to be respected.

And I think he'd say that it's far too easy for respect to turn to fear....

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: 0bama0 and Muslim discord - 1/31/2011 12:02:53 PM   
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You are free to believe whatever you like Moon....

So you can demonstrate that Syria is a Marxist state then?

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