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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 8:50:06 AM   
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It is suspicious that I have met a lot of kinky females from that site. There's a conspiracy against me, I'm a victim.


You can come over here and be my victim.  *evil leering sadistic grin*  Anyone else want in on this conspiracy?




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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 9:13:55 AM   
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Why does this site separate dom from sub then?  Real Pro should "volenteer" to be in the pro catagory, and if they wish to have a nonpro profile then that is great too, but it should be a second one so as not to confuse those lines.  We all know the game many play, I am non pro to start but will in time once you are engaged morph into pro, or pro for the first session only.  You can't suck and blow at the same time.  


It's been mentioned that the categories are self-chosen, anyone can check off what they want to- Dominant, submissive, male, female, whatever. We are who we say we are- if we are being truthful then we are generally still the best judge of what to check off. Sure, pros should volunteer to be in the pro category, if it existed, but if they're trying to scam unwary site users then why the heck would they change tactic just because there is now a box to tick off that says pro or lifestyle? The goal those people are playing is obviously to obfuscate pro and lifestyle so they can get a few bucks. They'll just keep playing their game no matter what boxes are in place to use. Shoplifting isn't nice or fair to anyone and there are tons of laws/rules in place and it happens anyway for those willing to take the chance because they can get stuff for free. So in the end, having the boxes there to check off for pro and lifestyle would be about as useful as a boat made of cardboard.

It's been said already that there isn't a separation system to use that would be fair - so what's the suggestion? The OP was incredibly obtuse and you seem to be, ahem, on the same page here. You're arguing for separation and have nothing to offer about how it should be done in a way that would be fair and workable. No one has ever come up with a good solution other than being responsible for one's self. Complaining is not enough, solve the problem in an equitable manner that will fit the requirements of a free site. If you can't, then accept defeat - as many problems have no workable solution.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 9:27:52 AM   
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Plenty of fish allows users to restrict those short meaningless emails, but I am not sure I agree with that either.  I usually just smile, like I would at a party.  They have a chance then to check out my profile (depending on what state I have it) and go from there.


Does that mean your intro email consists of this?:

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:)


Lame. Groan. Delete. Block if repeated.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 3:25:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

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It is suspicious that I have met a lot of kinky females from that site. There's a conspiracy against me, I'm a victim.


You can come over here and be my victim.  *evil leering sadistic grin*  Anyone else want in on this conspiracy?



This is the part where I obliviously and innocently get into the van.


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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 3:53:24 PM   
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Does anyone here have a problem with not allowing email address posted in profiles, or I am the only one who feels people who do this are just looking for a mailing list?  Mailing list usually means business and not lifestyle.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 4:13:46 PM   
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For a guy who says he is QSW yet lives in richmond hill, this must be pure projection
PS Im domme, I freely give out my email and my business url, its even in my sig(I know you hate those too, )
If you can find one post I have made where I "troll for business", please show me.
Im lifestyle when I can, I run a lifestyle business, I used to run a munch in toronto and Im not looking let alone a pro altho, I would if circumstances were different.
You have many many issues but little to offer outside of moaning.
I can think of at least five ladies who go to the ladies n male subs munch who are slender...altho I also know not one of them would appreciate your personality as shown here.


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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 4:23:23 PM   
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No actually, it is not easy.  When pros "veil themselves" as being non pro.  Try investing time, energy and emotion into someone who finally says that they need you to join a website so you can see their private photo gallery.  Or many then just want you to pay a tribute (fee) only once to prove you are sincere.  It serves everyone's best interest for all of us to be honest and up front.  After all we are all adults as you say.


Well, you know if you go on dates you might invest time, energy and emotion into somebody who will then tell you they are not interested. If you want to see the private photo gallery, well then you better join up or you don't look, last time I checked it didn't say that women have to provide guys with wanking material (a private photo gallery).

As an adult you should be able to say "Thank you, but no thank you" and be honest and upfront...

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 4:23:30 PM   
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Here is how I spot fake lifestyle Dommes who are in actuality looking for customers.  Maybe it will help others, feel free to add to the list LOL

  1. They are under 25. For the most part they see this as a better option to wearing a funny hat and asking if you want fries to go with that.
  2. They say they are Pro and Lifestyle. What they really me is they are here for the Pro part. Anyone who really is both will have two profiles aimed at each type.
  3. Their email or IM id is listed in their profile. Pure lunacy for any Domme to resort to this as there are only 100 male subs per Domme.
  4. They contact you first. I know, I know, it may just be the real thing, but that is the kinda thinking they prey on. (Note, this is not always true, more so then the rest).
  5. They are ultra attractive. The photo is fake as if they were that gorgeous then why are they advertising?
  6. Their messages arrive quicker then they can be humanly typed.... I mean cut and pasted.
  7. They want to collar you on the first day.
  8. They treat you like a piece of shit, before they get to know you :)

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 4:29:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: QueenStWest

Does anyone here have a problem with not allowing email address posted in profiles, or I am the only one who feels people who do this are just looking for a mailing list?  Mailing list usually means business and not lifestyle.


I think it's really amusing that you think you get a vote or something on what is or is not allowed in profiles. 

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 4:35:20 PM   
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Actually Cali, you, I and everyone else gets to "report photos" on someones profile, that is kinda like voting right?

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 4:48:02 PM   
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Does anyone here have a problem with not allowing email address posted in profiles, or I am the only one who feels people who do this are just looking for a mailing list?  Mailing list usually means business and not lifestyle.

Yes, I have a problem with it.  Based completely on the fact that the text portion of a profile should be whatever a person wants to use it for to tell others about themselves.  Not what some random person on a thread has decided they get to dictate to others what can't be listed.
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ORIGINAL: QueenStWest
Actually Cali, you, I and everyone else gets to "report photos" on someones profile, that is kinda like voting right?

People get to report photos that are against the site's rules.  They also get to report things that are written that violate TOS.  These are the guidelines that the owners have set.  Hey, I don't like pictures of males who have bent over to display their asshole, but those pictures are allowed because the site says so.  Guess what?  I don't report those.


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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 5:32:51 PM   
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This is the part where I obliviously and innocently get into the van.


I think some baaaaad things might just happen to you.  *evil, twisted, wicked, sadistic grin* 

When I'm all done with him I'll be renting him out to the other ladies and charging big moolah.  Gotta stay on topic in this thread, after all. 


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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 6:26:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: QueenStWest

Here is how I spot fake lifestyle Dommes who are in actuality looking for customers.  Maybe it will help others, feel free to add to the list LOL
  1. They are under 25. For the most part they see this as a better option to wearing a funny hat and asking if you want fries to go with that.

 
Oh, so you have expirence with this? That's really the only way that you would know something like this.
They say they are Pro and Lifestyle. What they really me is they are here for the Pro part. Anyone who really is both will have two profiles aimed at each type.

Yet again, you would need to have expirence with this to know what you are really talking about.
 
Their email or IM id is listed in their profile. Pure lunacy for any Domme to resort to this as there are only 100 male subs per Domme.

These are called scammers. Nobody with common sense would post their email adress here, regardless of sexual orientation or gender.

They contact you first. I know, I know, it may just be the real thing, but that is the kinda thinking they prey on. (Note, this is not always true, more so then the rest).

This is never true. SCAMMERS contact first.

They are ultra attractive. The photo is fake as if they were that gorgeous then why are they advertising?
 
This one made me laugh. HARD. I love being penalized for being attractive. This goes along with your "reason" #1. Modeling is one of my jobs.

Their messages arrive quicker then they can be humanly typed.... I mean cut and pasted.

I personalize my rejections.

They want to collar you on the first day.

If a Domme is looking for client, they don't collar anybody.

They treat you like a piece of shit, before they get to know you :)

Yeah, we really treat clients like shit . Where are you getting your information from?



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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 7:44:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker
This is the part where I obliviously and innocently get into the van.


I think some baaaaad things might just happen to you.  *evil, twisted, wicked, sadistic grin* 

When I'm all done with him I'll be renting him out to the other ladies and charging big moolah.  Gotta stay on topic in this thread, after all. 



I want 15%, and I also want three popsicles per day all of the grape flavour. If my demands are not met then I guess I'm out of luck, now aren't I?

Ha-ha...and they say I can't barter.


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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 8:03:44 PM   
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Miss Asylum, beats working at Mcdonalds huh?

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 9:17:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: QueenStWest

Actually Cali, you, I and everyone else gets to "report photos" on someones profile, that is kinda like voting right?



Nope, not at all "like" voting.  It alerts the staff to a photo that might be a problem.  It is not a guarantee of removal.  If you'll search on previous posts of VAA's, you'll find that a staff member reviews each photo.

But go ahead, make the suggestion that emails should not be allowed in profiles.  No one is stopping you.  Hell, do it under both the profiles you've already used on this one thread alone.

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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 10:42:59 PM   
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What is to prevent one person from making five sock puppet accounts?  Do you even know how many people already have more than one?



He is intimately aware, I'm sure.






This suggests you know that the OP has multiple accounts. Did you read his cmail as well?

It would really suck if you and other mods read peoples cmail, investigate their actiivty and participate in the forums, as mods and normal users.

Here it seems like you took the opportunity to shame him with some inside information. Wouldn't be surprising given the quality of discussion that goes on here.


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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 11:04:12 PM   
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This suggests you know that the OP has multiple accounts. Did you read his cmail as well?

It would really suck if you and other mods read peoples cmail, investigate their actiivty and participate in the forums, as mods and normal users.

Here it seems like you took the opportunity to shame him with some inside information. Wouldn't be surprising given the quality of discussion that goes on here.

Even though I'm rather sure that this is directed at Twenty-One, unless I'm mistaken, there are areas of the job of being a Mod that require reading certain pieces of email.  As I understand it, every time I report as message as spam, that report and message gets read by a Mod.  How else could it be determined that it is a legitimate report?

Now, I'm not the greatest computer person in the world, so I don't know as much about IP addresses and such, but it would seem to Me that it would be easy enough to determine if multiple screen names were coming from the same source.  Something, in My opinion, that Mods might just need to know if there is an individual who is a problem.  This silly stuff that crosses the forums isn't the biggest issue on the site, but there are other issues where I'm sure that kind of information comes in quite handy.


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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 11:15:58 PM   
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Even though I'm rather sure that this is directed at Twenty-One, unless I'm mistaken, there are areas of the job of being a Mod that require reading certain pieces of email. As I understand it, every time I report as message as spam, that report and message gets read by a Mod. How else could it be determined that it is a legitimate report?

Now, I'm not the greatest computer person in the world, so I don't know as much about IP addresses and such, but it would seem to Me that it would be easy enough to determine if multiple screen names were coming from the same source.  Something, in My opinion, that Mods might just need to know if there is an individual who is a problem.  This silly stuff that crosses the forums isn't the biggest issue on the site, but there are other issues where I'm sure that kind of information comes in quite handy.


My comment is directed to the mod.

Collerme.com certainly knows which accounts share a browser. Given that mods are unnamed volunteers and participants as normal users, it would be way out of bounds for a mod to have unfettered access to individuals private information (ip addresses, cmail, usage information).

The mods comment here is suggesting that she knows the OP has multiple accounts and is using that to shame him. If true, the fact that she can and did so is appalling.



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RE: Why have pro and lifestyle mixed together? - 2/5/2011 11:38:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hngnyc
This suggests you know that the OP has multiple accounts. Did you read his cmail as well?

It would really suck if you and other mods read peoples cmail, investigate their actiivty and participate in the forums, as mods and normal users.

Here it seems like you took the opportunity to shame him with some inside information. Wouldn't be surprising given the quality of discussion that goes on here.

Even though I'm rather sure that this is directed at Twenty-One, unless I'm mistaken, there are areas of the job of being a Mod that require reading certain pieces of email.  As I understand it, every time I report as message as spam, that report and message gets read by a Mod.  How else could it be determined that it is a legitimate report?

Now, I'm not the greatest computer person in the world, so I don't know as much about IP addresses and such, but it would seem to Me that it would be easy enough to determine if multiple screen names were coming from the same source.  Something, in My opinion, that Mods might just need to know if there is an individual who is a problem.  This silly stuff that crosses the forums isn't the biggest issue on the site, but there are other issues where I'm sure that kind of information comes in quite handy.



Just for the record, mods cannot read others mail. Also, reports made on the site side do not involve the moderators here. They moderate the forums, not the site. There is other staff involved on site side(well, unless one is exceptionally lucky as I am :) )

I have not read all of this thread so do not know what led up to this comment. I DO know though that the moderators never post on a thread and also moderate it, so whether or not they post as regular users is a moot point. In most cases, it is very evident when someone has multiple profiles, and answers themselves etc on threads. It is not rocket science. As to whether or not they can see ips, that is irrelevant to this thread, as are any other capabilities of the moderators. If someone has a specific problem with a particular moderator, they are welcome to file a report with me or Support and it will be investigated. The total castigation of the moderators at large lacks merit, as does any broad based generality about any group of people, small or large. One might wonder when someone calls into question the quality of discussion here, why they in fact are participating in such a negative manner, when it appears that is exactly what they are speaking ill about.

editted to add: I just saw the comment before mine. Moderators are not allowed unlimited access to any portion of the site, whether about users information or not. They do not have personal information such as outside emails etc. They are also HIGHLY screened, and have a history of involvement in the site in other areas and capacities before they ever even have the possibility of being a moderator, because it IS a thankless position where an individual DOES have to put aside their personal feelings on a daily basis to be able to be objective. Not many are able to accomplish that.

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